Ugh, I don’t like that one for you, personally. While it’s true last year was essentially a wasted year for Golladay, he’s one year removed from being like the WR8 overall, and he just turned 27. He’s likely about to get a pretty decent contract from somebody in FA too. It’s not horrible, but Golladay>Hunt to me, much less adding another somewhat decent player.Just moved Engram & Golladay for Hunt in PPR. I could use the Rb depth & I had been shopping both Golladay & Engram for months with no real worthwhile offers. I am a contender as of this year & Engram and Golladay didn't help me last year. I can plug Hunt in at flex. Plus, I free up a roster spot before cut downs
At this point, I view Engram as hot garbage. Happy to be rid of him to be honest. I'm also not a Goff fan.Ugh, I don’t like that one for you, personally. While it’s true last year was essentially a wasted year for Golladay, he’s one year removed from being like the WR8 overall, and he just turned 27. He’s likely about to get a pretty decent contract from somebody in FA too. It’s not horrible, but Golladay>Hunt to me, much less adding another somewhat decent player.
Me either, but he was able to support multiple fantasy relevant wr’s with the Rams. And if Golladay remains(which I don’t believe he will), he’s going to get bombarded with targets.I'm also not a Goff fan.
I'd also take Hunt over Golladay, at least based on what I know now.I'll be the contrarian. I'd take Hunt over Golladay and Engram has always been a JAG to me.
No one wanted to give more than a Shenault type WR?FFPC SF
I gave Zeke, Julio
I got 1.05, Shenault
In every instance of a borderline orphan that I purchased this offseason, I looked at it, assessed it, and decided that I could turn it into a contender and compete in year 1, and then purchased it. Other orphans I bought were powerhouses already and I have zero doubt about competing in year 1. This orphan is one I have had 2nd thoughts about, however, and have decided to tear it down. The more I've stacked this one up against my other teams, it just isn't going to get there this year. It was $29 ($250 level) and I think it's future is much brighter after making these trades. This goes against my normal grain but I think I outkicked my coverage on this one in terms of competing in year 1. That said there is a world where this 1.05 outperforms Zeke in 2021 and Viska vs Julio, so it doesn't even necessarily hurt my 2021 production. And ring the bell for one more roster spot cleared. Which means I get to roster Antonio Brown without feeling weird about it.
This was by far and away the best deal for Zeke I could find. And I actually did shop him for a while and got a number of offers over the last few weeks. But including Julio is really the clincher probably to tie it together. Shenault has a lot of big fans. I'm not sold on him yet but among my very favorite FF plays is to acquire 2nd year WRs. If Lawrence is the real deal, and with a healthy Chark and Robinson, I think there is a ton of upside in that offense. Or at least a bit.No one wanted to give more than a Shenault type WR?
I like the deal for were your team is at for sure but to the bolded I would say I agree with the 1.5 over Zeke but I'd have phrased it more as I can see a world were AB outscores Julio then Viska. If AB's court case does not come back to bite him, I think it could be argued he has as much left as Julio to offer.FFPC SF
I gave Zeke, Julio
I got 1.05, Shenault
In every instance of a borderline orphan that I purchased this offseason, I looked at it, assessed it, and decided that I could turn it into a contender and compete in year 1, and then purchased it. Other orphans I bought were powerhouses already and I have zero doubt about competing in year 1. This orphan is one I have had 2nd thoughts about, however, and have decided to tear it down. The more I've stacked this one up against my other teams, it just isn't going to get there this year. It was $29 ($250 level) and I think it's future is much brighter after making these trades. This goes against my normal grain but I think I outkicked my coverage on this one in terms of competing in year 1. That said there is a world where this 1.05 outperforms Zeke in 2021 and Viska vs Julio, so it doesn't even necessarily hurt my 2021 production. And ring the bell for one more roster spot cleared. Which means I get to roster Antonio Brown without feeling weird about it.
Seems pretty cheap for Kyler in SF.12 team Superflex PPR IDP
1.05/1.10/‘22 1st/‘22 2nd
for
Kyler Murray/2.05
Yeah I thought about that after I posted it. Viska is an upside play that I believe in a little bit but the idea wouldn't be to replace Julio's production with him as a motivating factor for this trade. But yes ABrown could accomplish that as well. Also to the extent that I am thinking about replacing Julio's production I'm thinking about current day Julio not prime Julio. Although honestly when he is healthy I don't know if there is a difference. Love the guy.menobrown said:I like the deal for were your team is at for sure but to the bolded I would say I agree with the 1.5 over Zeke but I'd have phrased it more as I can see a world were AB outscores Julio then Viska. If AB's court case does not come back to bite him, I think it could be argued he has as much left as Julio to offer.
Most of Goff’s success looked scheme related to me and Woods and Kupp are more slot/possession type WRs while Golloday is a downfield guy. I can’t see going from Stafford to Goff as a positive for Golloday.Me either, but he was able to support multiple fantasy relevant wr’s with the Rams.
Cooks had the best season of his career in 2018 with Goff, and he’s certainly no possession receiver. 80/1204 with an average of 15.1 per reception. You can credit the scheme, sure, but Goff did still have over 4500 yards passing that season. And the next as well if I remember correctly.Most of Goff’s success looked scheme related to me and Woods and Kupp are more slot/possession type WRs while Golloday is a downfield guy. I can’t see going from Stafford to Goff as a positive for Golloday.
Cooks took a lot of shorter type passes for long gains - but yes you are right he's more of a downfield guy.Cooks had the best season of his career in 2018 with Goff, and he’s certainly no possession receiver. 80/1204 with an average of 15.1 per reception. You can credit the scheme, sure, but Goff did still have over 4500 yards passing that season. And the next as well if I remember correctly.
You are mistaken.hunt is only locked up for this season, if im not mistaken. not a lock he stays
This was during this past season so he's still signed through the 2022 season. So that's at least 2021 and 2022 that Chubb will be dealing with Hunt unless they let Chubb walk after this season.The Cleveland Browns and Kareem Hunt reached an agreement Tuesday on a two-year, $13.25 million contract extension, tying the running back to his hometown NFL team for the next three seasons.
I like Chubb and he is better than Jacobs but not even close to the 1.3 better. Plus the 1st in 22 is significantly better than a 2nd. You had no choice but to accept this. The other owner made a terrible valuation here.10 man PPR
Gave: (and it broke my damn heart) Nick Chubb + 2022 2nd rounder
Got: 2021 1.03 + Joshua Jacobs + 2022 1st (will be late, if not 1.10)
He's a serious serious contender, I'm middle of the road trying to get better.
You gave up way to much for Akers here. I would think you could have got much better value for Zeke elsewhere and Juju could rebuild his stock in the coming months. You better hope McVay sticks with Akers completely for this to be close to worth it.Probably not the best time to trade Zeke, but I've been wanting to move him for a while in a PPR dynasty league. Thoughts?
Gave: Zeke and JuJu
Got: Akers
I was very deep at WR (Godwin, McLaurin, Evans, Diontae Johnson, Pittman, Crowder, Campbell) and felt I could afford to give up a WR to get a RB I like better. Did I sell too cheap or fair value?
I do like Chubb but calling him the best RB in football is a bit much. It is obvious that league just goes nuts about players on the Brownies. Everyone in any other league knows that was a bad trade even if Chubb is better than Jacobs.I disagree with this too. As it was, Chubb was still 10th in RB PPR scoring and that's with missing 4.5 games. Had he played those games at an average level for the year, he likely would have been top 5.
Hunt doesn't cap Chubbs output. Hunt just has unusually high #2 back production.
This type of comment can only come from a Brownies fan. I get it though if you want to watch players on your fav team but he definitely is not the best RB in the NFL or in fantasy.chubb is the best rb in the nfl
Who is better?This type of comment can only come from a Brownies fan. I get it though if you want to watch players on your fav team but he definitely is not the best RB in the NFL or in fantasy.
He may be a better conventional running RB but CMC is still a better RB overall.Who is better?
I can assure you I am far from a Browns fan but if someone asked me who the best RB in football was Nick Chubb would be in the running.This type of comment can only come from a Brownies fan. I get it though if you want to watch players on your fav team but he definitely is not the best RB in the NFL or in fantasy.
I would have to break it down further but one could make the argument that Cook is better. King Henry is aging but he has been better than Chubb but I'd rather have Chubb in Dynasty for sure. There is a reason that Chubb was a back end 1st round pick in even redraft leagues last year. If he was "the best RB" in the NFL he would get more love. I do think he is top 5 though and better than Jacobs so not like I'm dogging him hard or anything.Who is better?
None of my leagues have kickers anymore(thank goodness) but if they did I have to feel I would accept literally any rookie pick for literally any kicker.FFPC regular
I gave Butker
I got 4.02
I know it is small potatoes and all, but I woke up to it and I'm not going to say no.
In the running maybe but you would have to twist stats to make it that way. I don't think his numbers are better than CMC, Cook, or Henry really. I said he was top 5 so I'm not saying he is bad at all.I can assure you I am far from a Browns fan but if someone asked me who the best RB in football was Nick Chubb would be in the running.
That has nothing to do with his talent.I would have to break it down further but one could make the argument that Cook is better. King Henry is aging but he has been better than Chubb but I'd rather have Chubb in Dynasty for sure. There is a reason that Chubb was a back end 1st round pick in even redraft leagues last year. If he was "the best RB" in the NFL he would get more love. I do think he is top 5 though and better than Jacobs so not like I'm dogging him hard or anything.
Yes. His name is Kareem Hunt. And even dealing with him and missing four games he still put up over 1000 yards rushing. No other running back has to deal with a complimentary back that if we are being honest would be the lead back on all but like 6 or 7 other teams in the league.There is a reason that Chubb was a back end 1st round pick in even redraft leagues last year.
On my powerhouse squads I would pay this for Butker. Knowing I might not be able to roster him past his bye. But unless I have what I consider to be a top 3 kicker (which is ####### loose anyway) it is an autosnap. And on this team in particular I need every dart throw I can get. I need to get back to (real) work though because it is Monday and I'm talking about a kicker trade.None of my leagues have kickers anymore(thank goodness) but if they did I have to feel I would accept literally any rookie pick for literally any kicker.
I can't fault anyone for liking his skillset or body style at all. He definitely fits the mold but CMC is the best back in football. You could see that in just the few games he got to play this year even. Even with a terrible team. I like Chubb though. I just think saying he is "the best" RB in football isn't accurate. He may have that upside, he may have that type of package, or the things you want in a RB but he hasn't put it all together yet and may never. As of right now, he is not the best. Could be maybe though he has the talent.That has nothing to do with his talent.
If I built a back from the ground up and considered the whole package, he'd look a lot like Chubb. I would agree Cook is the closest.
I very much disagree. But it's cool. Not trying to pick a fight...I can't fault anyone for liking his skillset or body style at all. He definitely fits the mold but CMC is the best back in football. You could see that in just the few games he got to play this year even. Even with a terrible team. I like Chubb though. I just think saying he is "the best" RB in football isn't accurate. He may have that upside, he may have that type of package, or the things you want in a RB but he hasn't put it all together yet and may never. As of right now, he is not the best. Could be maybe though he has the talent.
Me either. I just like fun debates really. CMC just had a 1k/1k year and killed in the games he played last year. If going pure RB, Henry was a better RB last year too. Cook probably too but I put Cook and Chubb about the same personally.I very much disagree. But it's cool. Not trying to pick a fight...
I agree that Chubb may be the best RB in football. Definitely in the top five.I do like Chubb but calling him the best RB in football is a bit much. It is obvious that league just goes nuts about players on the Brownies. Everyone in any other league knows that was a bad trade even if Chubb is better than Jacobs.
Agreed he is definitely top 5 but I don't see him as the best. You can say he has that upside but he has yet to prove he is the best.I agree that Chubb may be the best RB in football. Definitely in the top five.
There is a difference between best FF RB and best RB. If Chubb was used similarly to CMC he would but up better rushing numbers and solid receiving numbers. Usage isn't necessarily a good indicator of who is the better RB. The Browns have a very good RB2 in Hunt so they have the luxury of not overworking Chubb.Me either. I just like fun debates really. CMC just had a 1k/1k year and killed in the games he played last year. If going pure RB, Henry was a better RB last year too. Cook probably too but I put Cook and Chubb about the same personally.
It is debatable but this is a FF chat isn't it? Also, I'd be willing to bet that if the coaches/GMs were polled, he would not be the top option. My feeling is just that making a blanket statement that "Chubb is the best RB in the NFL" is a bit short sighted.There is a difference between best FF RB and best RB. If Chubb was used similarly to CMC he would but up better rushing numbers and solid receiving numbers. Usage isn't necessarily a good indicator of who is the better RB. The Browns have a very good RB2 in Hunt so they have the luxury of not overworking Chubb.
For fantasy Chubb is not the best RB but for real football I would rather have Chubb than any other current NFL RB.
I took the comment as relating to actual football play and not FF. You can discuss actual football skills on a FF chat.It is debatable but this is a FF chat isn't it? Also, I'd be willing to bet that if the coaches/GMs were polled, he would not be the top option. My feeling is just that making a blanket statement that "Chubb is the best RB in the NFL" is a bit short sighted.
Even so he may have the skills to be the best RB in football but he hasn't been yet and may never. So can say we think he will be next year but he definitely hasn't been. I think a guy named King henry just went for 2K which only has been done by 7 other players (Sanders twice) and CMC just did 1k/1k which has only happened 2 times before him. He may have the skills/traits that could get there but he definitely isn't there yet.I took the comment as relating to actual football play and not FF. You can discuss actual football skills on a FF chat.
It was. He is just mixing up the argument.I took the comment as relating to actual football play and not FF. You can discuss actual football skills on a FF chat.
Yes those guys put up incredible numbers but their usage was a big contributing factor in that. I can separate out raw stats from my opinion and base it on what I see in their actual play and I would rather have Chubb than either of those two RB's for my NFL team. Its a debate for sure and I come out with Chubb as the preferred RB for me.Even so he may have the skills to be the best RB in football but he hasn't been yet and may never. So can say we think he will be next year but he definitely hasn't been. I think a guy named King henry just went for 2K which only has been done by 7 other players (Sanders twice) and CMC just did 1k/1k which has only happened 2 times before him. He may have the skills/traits that could get there but he definitely isn't there yet.
Also, this all started with a FF trade of Jacobs who is still young and very talented and 2 1sts for him. That is highway robbery in fantasy football.
That is a respectable statement. I wasn't hating on Chubb. I think he is crazy good and calling someone a top 5 RB in the league isn't dogging him. My argument was more to the Cleveland league that trade was made in. I can understand preferring him due to what your eye/gut tells you.Yes those guys put up incredible numbers but their usage was a big contributing factor in that. I can separate out raw stats from my opinion and base it on what I see in their actual play and I would rather have Chubb than either of those two RB's for my NFL team. Its a debate for sure and I come out with Chubb as the preferred RB for me.
hilarious you got a high 4th for a kickerFFPC regular
I gave Butker
I got 4.02
I know it is small potatoes and all, but I woke up to it and I'm not going to say no.
I have tried but can't seem to get my leagues to vote out the stupid K position. That is a good haul for any K though.hilarious you got a high 4th for a kicker