I would take Fant and the two picks myself.Biggie that I feel really good about, even though it's a high price to pay
FFPC
I got: Lamb, 1.08
I gave up: 1.02, 2022 1st, Fant
Still have 1.05 and now 1.08
I would take Fant and the two picks myself.Biggie that I feel really good about, even though it's a high price to pay
FFPC
I got: Lamb, 1.08
I gave up: 1.02, 2022 1st, Fant
Still have 1.05 and now 1.08
I still like Everett and looking forward to see were he lands but I have a league were I doubt I can free up a spot for him and right now I'd probably be lucky to get 4.3. I'm holding on hoping FA improves his stock but that's a good exit you got right now.FFPC regular
I gave Everett
I got MVS, 3.11, 4.03
Wow that is a blockbuster. I think I might lean the 1.02 side because I'm not quite as high on Lamb as some, but this one seems pretty fair and just a matter of preference.Biggie that I feel really good about, even though it's a high price to pay
FFPC
I got: Lamb, 1.08
I gave up: 1.02, 2022 1st, Fant
Still have 1.05 and now 1.08
2022 draft won't be that good for a RB past pick 3. Unless it's a superflex league, because QBs look good for 2022, I'll pass if I think that pick is after 1.03 and I'm not even comfortable with that pick. After Breece Hall who you got? Spiller? Harris? K Williams? Borghi? Charbonnet? No thanks. I suppose David Bell and Garrett Wilson would be nice if either declare.I would take Fant and the two picks myself.
It’s not purely a matter of Andrews floor, it’s his floor in the context of his value.Just curious what other TEs have a better floor?
Outside of Kelce/Kittle/Waller it feels like every TE last year put up a ton of stinkers. I admittedly haven't looked at it closely though.
I don't understand why would I only factor that 2022#1 on strength of RB?2022 draft won't be that good for a RB past pick 3. Unless it's a superflex league because QBs look good for 2022, I'll pass if I think that pick is after 1.03 and I'm not even comfortable with that pick.
I edited my previous post. Please read it.I don't understand why would I only factor that 2022#1 on strength of RB?
No one was thinking Najee Harris or Williams were the type of players you'd want to spend a high pick on this year. Players will emerge but specifically to this deal I have 1.2/Fant pretty close to Lamb/1.8 so I'm not looking at this as needing that 2022#1 to be a homerun, more like a cherry on top.I edited my previous post. Please read it.
I think Fant is a risk. Their QB sucks and Sutton is back, to go along with Jeudy and Hamler. I look at 1.2 and Lamb a wash and the 1.8 is gravy. He will get a very good player at 1.8. Perhaps someone like Pitts, Lawrence (non-superflex), Waddle, Bateman, Moore, or even Smith. I doubt Javonte Williams falls to 8, but I suppose in some leagues he could. I would take all of those players over Fant and the 2022 1st.No one was thinking Najee Harris or Williams were the type of players you'd want to spend a high pick on this year. Players will emerge but specifically to this deal I have 1.2/Fant pretty close to Lamb/1.8 so I'm not looking at this as needing that 2022#1 to be a homerun, more like a cherry on top.
I already have Kittle, and the guy getting Fant doesn't really have anything at TE. It works for both of us well.I don't think Fant is a risk...he is 40-562-3 and 62-673-3 in his first two years which are excellent numbers historically...he is also super-athletic and won't be 24 until November...I think his floor will be a quality starter so that mitigates his risk...his risk is if you project him (i.e. making this deal being certain because of it) to join the ranks of the Wallers, Kittles and Kelces and he he doesn't get to that level...I will also say how you build your team matters...there are definitely a lot of quality posters here who don't care too much about the TE position...for me I value it a lot because I like to lock that position down and not waste time finding a week-to-week starter as well as knowing what an advantage a TE like Waller can give you.
The player you pick at 8 is more of a risk then Fant IMO since he's actually played in the NFL, looks legit. Same way I view 1.2 vs Lamb. 1.2 gives you Chase or RB option, just keeping this as a comp of Lamb to Chase I am higher on Chase talent but I do give some consideration to fact Lamb actually performed well on an NFL field. So to me you got somewhat proven Lamb for risk of unknown at 1.2 and somewhat proven Fant for risk of unknown at 1.8. Which is just one reason why I viewed 1.2/Fant as equitable to Lamb/1.8.I think Fant is a risk. Their QB sucks and Sutton is back, to go along with Jeudy and Hamler. I look at 1.2 and Lamb a wash and the 1.8 is gravy. He will get a very good player at 1.8. Perhaps someone like Pitts, Lawrence (non-superflex), Waddle, Bateman, Moore, or even Smith. I doubt Javonte Williams falls to 8, but I suppose in some leagues he could. I would take all of those players over Fant and the 2022 1st.
Makes even more sense for both of you.I already have Kittle, and the guy getting Fant doesn't really have anything at TE. It works for both of us well.
I think Albert-O is a talented TE and was looking good before his injury. People are forgetting about him.The risk with Fant is that Denver has already maxed out the impact it hopes to receive from the TE position.
His skill level could increase from where he's at but the production could already be plateaued. I personally don't think the Broncos are going to get any more TE-centric than they already are.
Yeah that is big. No issue with it especially if you really like Lamb. I'd lean to the other side but it's fair.Biggie that I feel really good about, even though it's a high price to pay
FFPC
I got: Lamb, 1.08
I gave up: 1.02, 2022 1st, Fant
Still have 1.05 and now 1.08
Fant is just starting his 3rd year and 24. One way or another (Lock improving a lot or, more likely, by FA or draft pick) they are going to have a very different QB in 2022. Assuming Fant is capped at his past level is not a good premise. If they win the Watson sweepstakes or Wilson sees a good situation and makes SEA trade him, Fant's whole world changes. It is hard to envision a TE future with more potential for improvement than a 24 year old kid, coming late to the position who has only had Lock as a QB.The risk with Fant is that Denver has already maxed out the impact it hopes to receive from the TE position.
His skill level could increase from where he's at but the production could already be plateaued. I personally don't think the Broncos are going to get any more TE-centric than they already are.
Neither is assuming he'll produce more.Fant is just starting his 3rd year and 24. One way or another (Luck improving a lot or, more likely, by FA or draft pick) they are going to have a very different QB in 2022. Assuming Fant is capped at his past level is not a good premise. If they win the Watson sweepstakes or Wilson sees a good situation and makes SEA trade him, Fant's whole world changes.
Good point, love that postNeither is assuming he'll produce more.
Name the elite TEs that Wilson and Watson have produced.
I just said it's a possibility. It's a risk.I don't think its that those guys will create an elite TE, but that Fant has shown that he might be one and has been held back by Lock. Saying Denver has maxed out its TE use with Lock seems awfully dismissive.
I see Fant as the smallest piece in that deal so it may be moot. Even if his production stays at that level it may be worth it.Neither is assuming he'll produce more.
Name the elite TEs that Wilson and Watson have produced.
Sutton’s return and continued development of Jeudy and Hamler, combined with the uncertainty at QB, gives me some pause with Fant. Plus Albert-O should be back. He showed some promise before his injury.I don't think its that those guys will create an elite TE, but that Fant has shown that he might be one and has been held back by Lock. Saying Denver has maxed out its TE use with Lock seems awfully dismissive.
I’m a Fant guy. I thought he had an easier time getting open with Sutton healthy. More mouths to feed might hinder but it could also inadvertently help if defenses are shifting coverage away from him.Sutton’s return and continued development of Jeudy and Hamler, combined with the uncertainty at QB, gives me some pause with Fant. Plus Albert-O should be back. He showed some promise before his injury.
As others have said, this is real close. I like your side if you are strong at RB and don't mind missing out on the top 3 RB's in the draft.Biggie that I feel really good about, even though it's a high price to pay
FFPC
I got: Lamb, 1.08
I gave up: 1.02, 2022 1st, Fant
Still have 1.05 and now 1.08
Great deal for youJust made this deal.
FFPC 1 QB:
Gave: Mark Andrews, 2021 2.07, 2022 2nd
Got: CEH
I need help at RB and still have Hockenson and Gesicki at TE.
I just saw the discussion about Andrews jn here. I like him a lot as a player but I'm of the opinion that he has significant downside risk.
I like Andrews a lot but CEH all dayJust made this deal.
FFPC 1 QB:
Gave: Mark Andrews, 2021 2.07, 2022 2nd
Got: CEH
I need help at RB and still have Hockenson and Gesicki at TE.
I just saw the discussion about Andrews jn here. I like him a lot as a player but I'm of the opinion that he has significant downside risk.
You think? Why would anyone ever consider the other side?I like Andrews a lot but CEH all day
Some people like Andrews even more than me and some people really seem to hate CEH.You think? Why would anyone ever consider the other side?
I doubt this moves the needle but it *was* a TE premium league. FFPC is 1.5 point per reception for TEs.Even it if was a TE premium league I like that trade for you.
Interesting one. Like I said earlier, I’d have to think about trading Akers straight up for Barkley, so pretty sure I’d take that side.12 team stock PPR
Barkley, 2.05
for
Akers, Jeudy
I know Thomas was hurt all last year, but it feels like his time as elite is done. Think I’d take the picks here.12 team stock PPR
1.08, 1.11
for
Michael Thomas
Even with the uncertainty, I’d take Jones. Not a big Cooper fan, and I think Conner was made by his situation.12 team stock PPR
Aaron Jones, Mike Gesicki
for
Amari Cooper, James Conner
He just became elite and is only 27. Not sure i get your way of thinking here.I know Thomas was hurt all last year, but it feels like his time as elite is done. Think I’d take the picks here.
Nothing to do with age. There seemed to be more to his not playing last year than injuries alone. And with Brees probably gone, that QB situation is up in the air.He just became elite and is only 27. Not sure i get your way of thinking here.
I like the upside of CEH, but after 2020 I would have thought maybe an even CEH for Andrews coulda gotten it done.Just made this deal.
FFPC 1 QB:
Gave: Mark Andrews, 2021 2.07, 2022 2nd
Got: CEH
I need help at RB and still have Hockenson and Gesicki at TE.
I just saw the discussion about Andrews jn here. I like him a lot as a player but I'm of the opinion that he has significant downside risk.
AJones side by a mile for me.12 team stock PPR
Aaron Jones, Mike Gesicki
for
Amari Cooper, James Conner
Gimme Barkley. Akers has upside, sure. Jeudy is a player. But it seems like people may already be forgetting how good a healthy Barkley can be.12 team stock PPR
Barkley, 2.05
for
Akers, Jeudy
Gimme the Thomas side as a smash that accept button moment.12 team stock PPR
1.08, 1.11
for
Michael Thomas
Not sure why you think Andrews is worth that much, even in a TE premium league. He’s a sell IMO.I like the upside of CEH, but after 2020 I would have thought maybe an even CEH for Andrews coulda gotten it done.
I still like the deal for you but it adds a bit more risk since you arguably paid top dollar for CEH.
no way, and I love AndrewsI like the upside of CEH, but after 2020 I would have thought maybe an even CEH for Andrews coulda gotten it done.
I still like the deal for you but it adds a bit more risk since you arguably paid top dollar for CEH.
Love is a strong word with regards to Mark Andrews. Hell, Jackson can’t seem to find his receivers, so teams should take his security blanket away from him.no way, and I love Andrews