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No, they won't accept

You mean it went down in a league you used to be in??  I’d go ful Vontae Davis on that league asap 

Barkley on this one, it isn't that close

47 minutes ago, Helaire-ious said:

I can see it if one is high on Mims or Shenault, but I would not have done that if I owned Adams as I am not high on them

Even if you are as high on them as possible you don’t need to give up last year’s #1 WR to obtain them.

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6 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

Hooper and a couple likely cuts. Looking at his team TE was the one weakness and now it is a strength.

Solid deal...you nail down a position of weakness (where the options are limited) and you get a decent pick this year where you should be in a spot to get someone that will have value similar to Shenault’s...I see what the other guy is thinking as well but would like his side more if the #1 was this year.

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17 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

I still think he overpaid. I had Andrews on a roster last year for about 6 weeks. Was glad to be rid of him.

I had Andrews on a few rosters in 2019 and went to Disneyland for the 1st time in my life because of him. Long way of saying I was disappointed in 2020 as well. I think it had more to do with Lamar taking a step back but I think there is plenty of reason to expect better than 2020 production in the future. I bought him last year for probably a similar price as this but ended up benching him through the playoffs, so yeah he has some warts.

ETA looks like I did Mixon and Ebron for Andrews and Gaskin. Worked out I suppose.

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On 3/5/2021 at 6:07 AM, Denver724 said:

Standard 12 team PPR. Not a Superflex or TE Premium. 1 RB start.

Curtis Samuel and 2021 4.10

For

Sam Darnold, 2021 1.12 and 3.12 

Holy crap. I got Samuel for Tonyan (who I claimed off waivers) & folks thought I overpaid. 
 

1.12?! :shock:

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1 hour ago, barackdhouse said:

I had Andrews on a few rosters in 2019 and went to Disneyland for the 1st time in my life because of him. Long way of saying I was disappointed in 2020 as well. I think it had more to do with Lamar taking a step back but I think there is plenty of reason to expect better than 2020 production in the future. I bought him last year for probably a similar price as this but ended up benching him through the playoffs, so yeah he has some warts.

I like the player, I hate the situation. It’s going to be difficult to trust any offensive skill player with LJax playing wildca-er, QB. 

I didn’t see much improvement as a passer (even a little regression) and I think that’s going to impact the consistency & upside of all Ravens receivers. 

If the Ravens commit to his development as a passer I’ll change my mind about their receivers, but they don’t really seem interested in that. 

 

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24 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I like the player, I hate the situation. It’s going to be difficult to trust any offensive skill player with LJax playing wildca-er, QB. 

I didn’t see much improvement as a passer (even a little regression) and I think that’s going to impact the consistency & upside of all Ravens receivers. 

If the Ravens commit to his development as a passer I’ll change my mind about their receivers, but they don’t really seem interested in that. 

 

Yeah I see that but TE is a different animal in fantasy than WR. Andrews is among the top options in fantasy whereas yes I wouldn't touch a Ravens WR in fantasy. He will always have high weekly upside in that offense but less of a floor than Waller and Kittle but arguably not by a lot. 

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1 minute ago, barackdhouse said:

Yeah I see that but TE is a different animal in fantasy than WR. Andrews is among the top options in fantasy whereas yes I wouldn't touch a Ravens WR in fantasy. He will always have high weekly upside in that offense but less of a floor than Waller and Kittle but arguably not by a lot. 

"Among" just means he's one of the smarter kids on the short bus. 

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3 hours ago, kittenmittens said:

Trade in 12 team SFTEP

Bryan Edwards and a 2022 3rd

for

2.04

Figure that 2.04 is going to be at worst Chuba/Brevin/Dyami/Tylan with a chance to be better. 

Excellent cash out price for Bryan Edwards. That’s where he was getting picked last year and he did zilch

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5 hours ago, IHEARTFF said:

Ridley side and Adams side. Adams deal is closer but still light. 

Ridley and Adams side as well except I thought the Ridley side was closer.

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3 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

Yeah I see that but TE is a different animal in fantasy than WR. Andrews is among the top options in fantasy whereas yes I wouldn't touch a Ravens WR in fantasy. He will always have high weekly upside in that offense but less of a floor than Waller and Kittle but arguably not by a lot. 

Dude vanished for weeks at a time. His floor is just so much lower than the “safety net” TEs since his QB doesn’t really function like other QBs.

When most QBs feel enough pressure to need the safety net they dump off to a TE or a RB. 

When LJax fees pressure he takes off running. It changes Andrews value immensely, and for the worse.

If I owned him I would hope I could find someone optimistic like you to dump him off on while the jury’s still out. I’m completely not sold on his viability as an elite TE in that offense. Some boom games, sure, but extreme volatility.  I don’t think he’s worth what the market thinks he’s worth, so he’s an easy sell for me. I don’t see him as “one of the top options” at TE - I see a perception of that for a dude who’s unlikely to deliver. 

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30 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Dude vanished for weeks at a time. His floor is just so much lower than the “safety net” TEs since his QB doesn’t really function like other QBs.

When most QBs feel enough pressure to need the safety net they dump off to a TE or a RB. 

When LJax fees pressure he takes off running. It changes Andrews value immensely, and for the worse.

If I owned him I would hope I could find someone optimistic like you to dump him off on while the jury’s still out. I’m completely not sold on his viability as an elite TE in that offense. Some boom games, sure, but extreme volatility.  I don’t think he’s worth what the market thinks he’s worth, so he’s an easy sell for me. I don’t see him as “one of the top options” at TE - I see a perception of that for a dude who’s unlikely to deliver. 

I don't really disagree - I'm not trying to target him because of that volatility. But I still think he is above the rest of the pack after the top 3. Last year was down 2019 was league winning. He had 5 games where he disappeared this year he had 8 where he was worth it. The volatility is not unheard of for TEs. We'd all rather have Kelce or Waller and probably everyone would take Kittle as well. I think he is still solidly #4 though. There are probably 3 or 4 that could usurp him there but again just imagine if 2021 is better than 2020. Not a whole lot of reason to think it wouldn't be. 

Disappearing games in 2020 - 4.4, 6.7, 5.1, 7.7, 6.7 ok yeah that is bad ~6 PPG but not unheard of for TEs
Good games in 2020 - 25.3, 22.2, 20.6, 16.6, 23.1, 15.3, 20.1, 16.6 that is 20 PPG so yeah super volatile but I'm not seeing many examples of guys having similar production without similar floor games. Hockenson is the only one I could find. And again if 2021 is even a little bit closer to 2019......

My biggest hesitation with Andrews is that the Ravens might actually finally find a real WR soon. Part of Andrews appeal is that he is the clear #1 passing target. That could change or be seriously undermined if they finally find someone.

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12 team PPR 1 QB

Gave

Wentz, Curtis Samuel, Jonnu Smith

Got

Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love, Devante Parker

 

Wentz was my only starting QB, embarrassing really.

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2 hours ago, foxco said:

12 team PPR 1 QB

Gave

Wentz, Curtis Samuel, Jonnu Smith

Got

Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love, Devante Parker

 

Wentz was my only starting QB, embarrassing really.

Interesting trade. Win now. Rodgers. If not win now I would rather have the Wentz side. I have a feeling that Rodgers isn't going to be playing for much longer. And not sure Love is the answer long-term. 

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3 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

My biggest hesitation with Andrews is that the Ravens might actually finally find a real WR soon. Part of Andrews appeal is that he is the clear #1 passing target. That could change or be seriously undermined if they finally find someone.

That’s a valid concern. And Marquis Brown seemed to be coming on a bit towards the last 1/4 of the season. 

adding a JuJu would be potentially devastating since he’ll take a lot of short and intermediate attention. 

A great fit for the Ravens, but I agree bad for Andrew. There are only so many receptions in Baltimore to go around. 

I also concede that the Baltimore offense could develop. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that LJax takes that next step & becomes a better passer. That would change everything. 

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5 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Dude vanished for weeks at a time. His floor is just so much lower than the “safety net” TEs since his QB doesn’t really function like other QBs.

When most QBs feel enough pressure to need the safety net they dump off to a TE or a RB. 

When LJax fees pressure he takes off running. It changes Andrews value immensely, and for the worse.

If I owned him I would hope I could find someone optimistic like you to dump him off on while the jury’s still out. I’m completely not sold on his viability as an elite TE in that offense. Some boom games, sure, but extreme volatility.  I don’t think he’s worth what the market thinks he’s worth, so he’s an easy sell for me. I don’t see him as “one of the top options” at TE - I see a perception of that for a dude who’s unlikely to deliver. 

Just curious what other TEs have a better floor?

Outside of Kelce/Kittle/Waller it feels like every TE last year put up a ton of stinkers. I admittedly haven't looked at it closely though. 

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4 hours ago, foxco said:

12 team PPR 1 QB

Gave

Wentz, Curtis Samuel, Jonnu Smith

Got

Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love, Devante Parker

 

Wentz was my only starting QB, embarrassing really.

Seems like your roster are probably larger based on you trading for the likes of Jordan Love. I’d personally take Johnnu, Samuel and hope Wentz takes a step back to previous form. In a 1QB you couldn’t get a QB you were comfortable with for less??

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13 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

12 team ppr - QB/2RB/3WR/TE/FL
 

Mims, Denzel NYJ WR

Shenault, Laviska JAC WR

Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.11

For

White, James NEP RB

Adams, Davante GBP WR

You got a hell of a deal. Looking purely at draft capital, that's 2020 2.01, 2020 2.04, and 2021 1.11 for the #1 PPR WR in 2020 despite missing two games. I don't have confidence Mims and Shenault will hit, which they need to in order to break even on a deal like this.

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2 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

FFPC regular

I gave Everett
I got MVS, 3.11, 4.03

I see what both sides are doing...Everett is intriguing because he looks the part and as a FA he could be in a spot where he might be able to finally take the leap forward, if you are weak at TE this is not a bad dice roll because you aren't giving up much...on the flipside you get a couple of picks for a back-bencher/possible cut candidate that may help you make another move or they give you the opportunity to get lucky with one of those picks. 

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Biggie that I feel really good about, even though it's a high price to pay

FFPC

I got: Lamb, 1.08

I gave up: 1.02, 2022 1st, Fant

Still have 1.05 and now 1.08

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5 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

Biggie that I feel really good about, even though it's a high price to pay

FFPC

I got: Lamb, 1.08

I gave up: 1.02, 2022 1st, Fant

Still have 1.05 and now 1.08

Even it if was a TE premium league I like that trade for you.

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11 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

Biggie that I feel really good about, even though it's a high price to pay

FFPC

I got: Lamb, 1.08

I gave up: 1.02, 2022 1st, Fant

Still have 1.05 and now 1.08

That's a big one and if Lamb is getting dealt it needs to be...I see what both teams are doing...I am a big Lamb guy so I would do it because that 1.8 really takes the edge off of what you had to give up...the fact you had the 1.5 already makes this deal that much easier to make...that being said I have zero issues with what the other guy did, if Fant realizes his potential he will not be unhappy with this deal as well.

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15 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

Biggie that I feel really good about, even though it's a high price to pay

FFPC

I got: Lamb, 1.08

I gave up: 1.02, 2022 1st, Fant

Still have 1.05 and now 1.08

I would take Fant and the two picks myself.

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1 hour ago, barackdhouse said:

FFPC regular

I gave Everett
I got MVS, 3.11, 4.03

I still like Everett and looking forward to see were he lands but I have a league were I doubt I can free up a spot for him and right now I'd probably be lucky to get 4.3.  I'm holding on hoping FA improves his stock but that's a good exit you got right now.

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19 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

Biggie that I feel really good about, even though it's a high price to pay

FFPC

I got: Lamb, 1.08

I gave up: 1.02, 2022 1st, Fant

Still have 1.05 and now 1.08

Wow that is a blockbuster.  I think I might lean the 1.02 side because I'm not quite as high on Lamb as some, but this one seems pretty fair and just a matter of preference.

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12 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I would take Fant and the two picks myself.

2022 draft won't be that good for a RB past pick 3.  Unless it's a superflex league, because QBs look good for 2022, I'll pass if I think that pick is after 1.03 and I'm not even comfortable with that pick.  After Breece Hall who you got?  Spiller?  Harris?  K Williams?  Borghi? Charbonnet?  No thanks.  I suppose David Bell and Garrett Wilson would be nice if either declare. 

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13 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Just curious what other TEs have a better floor?

Outside of Kelce/Kittle/Waller it feels like every TE last year put up a ton of stinkers. I admittedly haven't looked at it closely though. 

It’s not purely a matter of Andrews floor, it’s his floor in the context of his value. 

If I’m going to obtain a premium quality TE (especially in a non-TE premium scoring system) it’s gonna be one of the top 3. 

As you suggest - all of the TEs after the top 3 have some inconsistency. But none of them carry Andrews price tag. 
 

i guess I’d rather just spend a lot less at TE for an upside guy like Engram than overpay for Andrews who has a higher ceiling, but similar number of duds. 

And I will again concede that I base this off of my evaluation of LJax, which could be off. If you think Lamar Jackson will take several steps forward as a passer, my analysis goes out the window & Andrews could even be considered a buy-low. Of course for that to happen, Baltimore’s defense would have to take a step backwards too, as run-first defensive teams typically pass less. 

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Just now, JohnnyU said:

2022 draft won't be that good for a RB past pick 3.  Unless it's a superflex league because QBs look good for 2022, I'll pass if I think that pick is after 1.03 and I'm not even comfortable with that pick.

I don't understand why would I only factor that 2022#1 on strength of RB?

 

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Just now, JohnnyU said:

I edited my previous post.  Please read it.  

No one was thinking Najee Harris or Williams were the type of players you'd want to spend a high pick on this year. Players will emerge but specifically to this deal I have 1.2/Fant pretty close to Lamb/1.8 so I'm not looking at this as needing that 2022#1 to be a homerun, more like a cherry on top.

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6 minutes ago, menobrown said:

No one was thinking Najee Harris or Williams were the type of players you'd want to spend a high pick on this year. Players will emerge but specifically to this deal I have 1.2/Fant pretty close to Lamb/1.8 so I'm not looking at this as needing that 2022#1 to be a homerun, more like a cherry on top.

I think Fant is a risk.  Their QB sucks and Sutton is back, to go along with Jeudy and Hamler.  I look at 1.2 and Lamb a wash and the 1.8 is gravy.  He will get a very good player at 1.8.  Perhaps someone like Pitts, Lawrence (non-superflex), Waddle, Bateman, Moore, or even Smith.  I doubt Javonte Williams falls to 8, but I suppose in some leagues he could.  I would take all of those players over Fant and the 2022 1st.

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I don't think Fant is a risk...he is 40-562-3 and 62-673-3 in his first two years which are excellent numbers historically...he is also super-athletic and won't be 24 until November...I think his floor will be a quality starter so that mitigates his risk...his risk is if you project him (i.e. making this deal being certain because of it) to join the ranks of the Wallers, Kittles and Kelces and he he doesn't get to that level...I will also say how you build your team matters...there are definitely a lot of quality posters here who don't care too much about the TE position...for me I value it a lot because I like to lock that position down and not waste time finding a week-to-week starter as well as knowing what an advantage a TE like Waller can give you.  

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Just now, Boston said:

I don't think Fant is a risk...he is 40-562-3 and 62-673-3 in his first two years which are excellent numbers historically...he is also super-athletic and won't be 24 until November...I think his floor will be a quality starter so that mitigates his risk...his risk is if you project him (i.e. making this deal being certain because of it) to join the ranks of the Wallers, Kittles and Kelces and he he doesn't get to that level...I will also say how you build your team matters...there are definitely a lot of quality posters here who don't care too much about the TE position...for me I value it a lot because I like to lock that position down and not waste time finding a week-to-week starter as well as knowing what an advantage a TE like Waller can give you.  

I already have Kittle, and the guy getting Fant doesn't really have anything at TE. It works for both of us well. 

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17 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

I think Fant is a risk.  Their QB sucks and Sutton is back, to go along with Jeudy and Hamler.  I look at 1.2 and Lamb a wash and the 1.8 is gravy.  He will get a very good player at 1.8.  Perhaps someone like Pitts, Lawrence (non-superflex), Waddle, Bateman, Moore, or even Smith.  I doubt Javonte Williams falls to 8, but I suppose in some leagues he could.  I would take all of those players over Fant and the 2022 1st.

The player you pick at 8 is more of a risk then Fant IMO since he's actually played in the NFL, looks legit. Same way I view 1.2 vs Lamb. 1.2 gives you Chase or RB option, just keeping this as a comp of Lamb to Chase I am higher on Chase talent but I do give some consideration to fact Lamb actually performed well on an NFL field. So to me you got somewhat proven Lamb for risk of unknown at 1.2 and somewhat proven Fant for risk of unknown at 1.8. Which is just one reason why I viewed 1.2/Fant as equitable to Lamb/1.8.

He did not say this was SF so I assume it's not.

My guess is Pitts is long gone by 8 in a TE premium league. Williams would have to go a spot he looked buried or part of a RBBC for 2+ years to fall to 8.  My guess is at best you can obtain one of the Bama WR's at 8 but most people have this draft as an upper tier of 6 or 7 so maybe not and in a TE premium league I'm 100% taking Fant over Bateman and Moore.

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7 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

I already have Kittle, and the guy getting Fant doesn't really have anything at TE. It works for both of us well. 

Makes even more sense for both of you.

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The risk with Fant is that Denver has already maxed out the impact it hopes to receive from the TE position.

His skill level could increase from where he's at but the production could already be plateaued. I personally don't think the Broncos are going to get any more TE-centric than they already are.

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2 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

The risk with Fant is that Denver has already maxed out the impact it hopes to receive from the TE position.

His skill level could increase from where he's at but the production could already be plateaued. I personally don't think the Broncos are going to get any more TE-centric than they already are.

I think Albert-O is a talented TE and was looking good before his injury.  People are forgetting about him.

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FFPC SuperFlex

I gave Cam Newton
I got 2022 2nd, 3rd

Same league not involved but the guy that bought Cam did this:

Gave : Montgomery, 2.08
Got : Brady, Mostert, J Wilson, 2022 4th

Oof. I feel like my future 2nd just got better with the second trade. Burns though because I had that Brady share on my team just a couple weeks ago and have tried to move him everywhere including to this guy, but somehow he gave up Montgomery and 2.08 to get him and (a couple of) the SF backs. I guess I didn't have cheap or crappy enough RBs to add to Brady to get Monty and 2.08. Best exit price on Cam I could have ever hoped for though. I was probably going to cut him.

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1 hour ago, Zyphros said:

Biggie that I feel really good about, even though it's a high price to pay

FFPC

I got: Lamb, 1.08

I gave up: 1.02, 2022 1st, Fant

Still have 1.05 and now 1.08

Yeah that is big. No issue with it especially if you really like Lamb. I'd lean to the other side but it's fair.

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33 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

The risk with Fant is that Denver has already maxed out the impact it hopes to receive from the TE position.

His skill level could increase from where he's at but the production could already be plateaued. I personally don't think the Broncos are going to get any more TE-centric than they already are.

Fant is just starting his 3rd year and 24. One way or another (Lock improving a lot or, more likely, by FA or draft pick) they are going to have a very different QB in 2022. Assuming Fant is capped at his past level is not a good premise. If they win the Watson sweepstakes or Wilson sees a good situation and makes SEA trade him, Fant's whole world changes. It is hard to envision a TE future with more potential for improvement than a 24 year old kid, coming late to the position who has only had Lock as a QB.

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5 minutes ago, Catbird said:

Fant is just starting his 3rd year and 24. One way or another (Luck improving a lot or, more likely, by FA or draft pick) they are going to have a very different QB in 2022. Assuming Fant is capped at his past level is not a good premise. If they win the Watson sweepstakes or Wilson sees a good situation and makes SEA trade him, Fant's whole world changes.

Neither is assuming he'll produce more.

Name the elite TEs that Wilson and Watson have produced.

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I don't think its that those guys will create an elite TE, but that Fant has shown that he might be one and has been held back by Lock. Saying Denver has maxed out its TE use with Lock seems awfully dismissive.

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5 minutes ago, Catbird said:

I don't think its that those guys will create an elite TE, but that Fant has shown that he might be one and has been held back by Lock. Saying Denver has maxed out its TE use with Lock seems awfully dismissive.

I just said it's a possibility. It's a risk.

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7 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Neither is assuming he'll produce more.

Name the elite TEs that Wilson and Watson have produced.

I see Fant as the smallest piece in that deal so it may be moot. Even if his production stays at that level it may be worth it. 

I can't name a single talented TE that has been on either the Texans or Seahawks roster during that time. How could they produce an elite TE when they have only had scrubs? Fant at 24 is way beyond anything they have had. 

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5 minutes ago, Catbird said:

I don't think its that those guys will create an elite TE, but that Fant has shown that he might be one and has been held back by Lock. Saying Denver has maxed out its TE use with Lock seems awfully dismissive.

Sutton’s return and continued development of Jeudy and Hamler, combined with the uncertainty at QB, gives me some pause with Fant.  Plus Albert-O should be back.  He showed some promise before his injury.

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