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No, they won't accept

I don't know why so many people are saying that this is a fair return (despite preferring CMC as they should). It isn't. This is a fraction of what it should cost for a guy like CMC, either that or th

It's a bit much to say the trade should be overturned. It's just a bunch of junk for a bunch of junk.

Gave 2.06 and 2022 2nd

Got Gallup and two 2022 4ths

with Dak definitely returning I know there will be a more than competent QB under center and he’s proven in the league. I know there is competition for targets but he’s a good football player

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9 hours ago, BigAl21 said:

Gave 2.06 and 2022 2nd

Got Gallup and two 2022 4ths

with Dak definitely returning I know there will be a more than competent QB under center and he’s proven in the league. I know there is competition for targets but he’s a good football player

I would probably take the two 2nds.  Gallup is a fine player and depending on my WR depth, I would probably swing for the fences with the 2.6 in this deep draft, especially at WR.  I'm not excited about the 2022 draft, but I wouldn't do it without more than the 2.6.  I'm assuming it's a 1 QB 12 team draft?  At the 2.06 you're probably looking at players like Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Mac Jones (I wouldn't take him that high), Tamorrion Terry, Seth Williams, Brevn Jordan, and perhaps even Jermar Jefferson and Chuba Hubbard (someone will probably bite early 2nd however).  Or perhaps even Trey Sermon, Kadarius Toney, Tylan Wallace, and an outside chance for Justin Fields to drop that far, but not likely, even in a 1 qb league.  I do think players like Dyami Brown, Elijah Moore, Pat Freirmuth, and Michael Carter will be gone by the 2.6, but you never know.  Of course this is not knowing landing spots and some very good players may drop to 2.6 if they land in an unfavorable situation. 

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11 hours ago, IHEARTFF said:

took over an orphan FFPC rebuild 

gave 2022 2

got Mike Williams, 4.5

 

8 hours ago, BigAl21 said:

Gave 2.06 and 2022 2nd

Got Gallup and two 2022 4ths

with Dak definitely returning I know there will be a more than competent QB under center and he’s proven in the league. I know there is competition for targets but he’s a good football player

Gimme the 2nds across the board here

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Zealots IDP non-ppr

Gave

Warner, Fred SFO LB

Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.08

Year 2022 Round 2 Draft Pick (late)

 

Got

Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.04

 

Warner is good, but not great. I like what would likely be at 8 - but I love the top 4. And I also have the #1, so I wanted to have two of four, and the added flexibility.

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1 hour ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

I'd take the 2nd over Mike Williams as I don't see the upside there but I do think Cooper is gone after this year and Dak just signed so I could see the argument in taking that side of the other deal.

I just traded Mike Williams away a few days ago as a part of a bigger deal because I was going to cut him. Other then Josh Gordon, who I once held for almost 7 years on a FFPC team, I would have to classify Mike Williams as the biggest roster drain on a team I've ever owned as I've had him sine he entered the league and don't think I've started him more then once or twice.

Agree with were your mind is on Cooper, I think he' s likely gone after this year and if he's not then Gallup will be. But I also own Gallup on an FFPC team and he's like Mike Williams to me in that it's a roster drain for what I assume is another year so I'd happily exit out for 2.6 and a future second.

 

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2 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Zealots IDP non-ppr

Gave

Warner, Fred SFO LB

Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.08

Year 2022 Round 2 Draft Pick (late)

 

Got

Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.04

 

Warner is good, but not great. I like what would likely be at 8 - but I love the top 4. And I also have the #1, so I wanted to have two of four, and the added flexibility.

Good move, I like it. Non-PPR, so looking at RB3 or WR2 most likely?

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6 minutes ago, lardonastick said:

Good move, I like it. Non-PPR, so looking at RB3 or WR2 most likely?

I need both, so my initial thought is to take Chase at 1 and then whichever of the top three RBs remain at 4. 

But if one of the RBs lands at a plumb spot, I'm not opposed to taking one of them at RB, even if it means I end up with two of the top three RBs. That's what I meant about liking the flexibility it gives. And this year in classic Zealots leagues, it's required to start two RBs so there's that too.

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2 hours ago, dewaser said:

Just was offered 1.08 for Kupp in 0.5 PPR - thinking of pulling the trigger, but I want to ask for an extra 3rd on top. What's the general feeling on this one?

I would do that with little hesitation. Gravy if you can wiggle another pick out of it. 

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2 hours ago, dewaser said:

Just was offered 1.08 for Kupp in 0.5 PPR - thinking of pulling the trigger, but I want to ask for an extra 3rd on top. What's the general feeling on this one?

I'd probably just accept myself, but that's me.

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2 hours ago, dewaser said:

Just was offered 1.08 for Kupp in 0.5 PPR - thinking of pulling the trigger, but I want to ask for an extra 3rd on top. What's the general feeling on this one?

Accept before he changes his mind 

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17 minutes ago, JoeJoe88 said:

I would do that with little hesitation. Gravy if you can wiggle another pick out of it. 

Interesting. Surprised sentiment isn't higher on Kupp who is just a season removed from a top 5 PPR finish. But I understand the concerns - injury history, potential run heavy offense, may have already peaked. The 1.08 could nab a nice player though. I'm thinking of pulling the trigger.

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3 minutes ago, dewaser said:

Interesting. Surprised sentiment isn't higher on Kupp who is just a season removed from a top 5 PPR finish. But I understand the concerns - injury history, potential run heavy offense, may have already peaked. The 1.08 could nab a nice player though. I'm thinking of pulling the trigger.

He had a huge first 8-9 weeks in 2019 and he's been pretty average ever since.  If you think he's that first 8-9 week guy in 2019 he'd be pretty valuable but to me I'm going with the guy I've seen the last 1.5 seasons. That guy is a low end WR2, almost WR3 type. You got a 28 year old low end WR2 we'll say and I'm cashing that out for 8.  My guess is at absolute worst you get to pick at least one of Pitts, a Bama WR or Bateman. That's worst case one of them is available. I'd take that shot.

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Just now, menobrown said:

He had a huge first 8-9 weeks in 2019 and he's been pretty average ever since.  If you think he's that first 8-9 week guy in 2019 he'd be pretty valuable but to me I'm going with the guy I've seen the last 1.5 seasons. That guy is a low end WR2, almost WR3 type. You got a 28 year old low end WR2 we'll say and I'm cashing that out for 8.  My guess is at absolute worst you get to pick at least one of Pitts, a Bama WR or Bateman. That's worst case one of them is available. I'd take that shot.

I should mention that it's not superflex. So it's likely that a few of those guys will be taken. I'd probably be looking at Bateman, Waddle, or Rondale Moore.

 

You're right about Kupp being pretty mediocre the last year and a half, but he does have a gunslinger throwing him the ball now. Stafford should be able to get him better looks than Goff, who has regressed since 2018. The emergence of Akers as a potential workhorse concerns me. I do think Kupp can get back to form -- maybe not first half of 2019, but somewhere in between that and last year, which would put him around a high end WR2.

 

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8 minutes ago, dewaser said:

Stafford should be able to get him better looks than Goff, who has regressed since 2018. The emergence of Akers as a potential workhorse concerns me. I do think Kupp can get back to form -- maybe not first half of 2019, but somewhere in between that and last year, which would put him around a high end WR2.

This only makes their offense better if true and in my opinion only helps Kupp. I'm not a huge fan and am trying to move the only share I have but I only have one guy interested and he is offering absolutely nothing in the neighborhood of 1.08. Actually he has sent me a ton of really bad offers and seems genuinely to be a Kupp guy but apparently not that much. Anyway Akers emergence is a good thing not a bad thing. And yes Stafford should be much better. In my negotiations 1.08 is around what I've been trying to get, with me adding something to Kupp to get there. But to no avail.

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7 minutes ago, dewaser said:

I should mention that it's not superflex. So it's likely that a few of those guys will be taken. I'd probably be looking at Bateman, Waddle, or Rondale Moore

 

I assumed it was not. Unless half a PPR is really different I was assuming 3 RB's and Chase are gone and then worst case 3 out of Smith, Waddle, Bateman or Pitts are gone leaving you one left.

To be clear I'm saying one of them is left for you to pick, most should be gone.

Also I don't view Stafford as a positive, more like net of equal.

You asked, a few answered, sounds like you remain hesitant to deal Kupp. All I'd say to that is if that's how you feel I'd trust your gut over some random people on a message board, but I'd personally insta-accept.

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8 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

This only makes their offense better if true and in my opinion only helps Kupp. I'm not a huge fan and am trying to move the only share I have but I only have one guy interested and he is offering absolutely nothing in the neighborhood of 1.08. Actually he has sent me a ton of really bad offers and seems genuinely to be a Kupp guy but apparently not that much. Anyway Akers emergence is a good thing not a bad thing. And yes Stafford should be much better. In my negotiations 1.08 is around what I've been trying to get, with me adding something to Kupp to get there. But to no avail.

You may be right. Seems like 1.08 is a pretty good offer gauging the responses in here. I hope you find someone who will offer you what Kupp is really worth.

2 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I assumed it was not. Unless half a PPR is really different I was assuming 3 RB's and Chase are gone and then worst case 3 out of Smith, Waddle, Bateman or Pitts are gone leaving you one left.

To be clear I'm saying one of them is left for you to pick, most should be gone.

Also I don't view Stafford as a positive, more like net of equal.

You asked, a few answered, sounds like you remain hesitant to deal Kupp. All I'd say to that is if that's how you feel I'd trust your gut over some random people on a message board, but I'd personally insta-accept.

Appreciate the feedback. I'm leaning towards taking it. 

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7 minutes ago, dewaser said:

You may be right. Seems like 1.08 is a pretty good offer gauging the responses in here. I hope you find someone who will offer you what Kupp is really worth.

Appreciate the feedback. I'm leaning towards taking it. 

I see what you did there. And I like it. Lol yeah I mean I'm actually happy to hold him and put him in my boxscore (actual value not pretend) and I agree with Meno above about trusting your gut. I go against the (apparent) consensus much of the time. For me it is a smash accept as well, though. 

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2 hours ago, dewaser said:

Interesting. Surprised sentiment isn't higher on Kupp who is just a season removed from a top 5 PPR finish. But I understand the concerns - injury history, potential run heavy offense, may have already peaked. The 1.08 could nab a nice player though. I'm thinking of pulling the trigger.

Meno has basically already covered everything but I also remember several games last year towards the end of the season where he was actually losing snaps to Josh Reynolds. He’s also definitely way past his peak, imo. 1.08 would be a snap accept for me. Yes, Stafford is better than Goff, but it doesn’t make a huge difference in Kupp’s value for me. 

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FFPC $500 Dynasty League

Traded:

RB, Cam Akers

WR, M. Brown

TE, Gerald Everett 

Received:

RB, James Robinson

WR, Mike Evans

TE, Evan Engram 

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7 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

FFPC SF not involved

Team A gave Hurts, 2.05, 4.05
Team B gave 1.09, 2.04, 3.06

If he is the QB then it's too cheap IMO. But an easy quick profit for sure.  

It's a dice roll until draft day but if Philly doesn't draft a QB this could be an absolute home run for Team B...not a big price to pay at all for a potential stud fantasy QB who won't be 23 until August...I would do this for Hurts because I feel if it is a worst case case scenario and Philly drafts a QB I still believe he will end up being a starting QB somewhere else and if you were to take one of the big 5 QBs at 1.9 (which is great value in a SF) there is a good chance they would not start right away, so when you look at it that way it calms the fear down even more (IMO)...ballsy move for both owners, that's for sure.

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3 hours ago, Tejas said:

FFPC $500 Dynasty League

Traded:

RB, Cam Akers

WR, M. Brown

TE, Gerald Everett 

Received:

RB, James Robinson

WR, Mike Evans

TE, Evan Engram 

Like your side by a decent amount.

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20 hours ago, menobrown said:

I just traded Mike Williams away a few days ago as a part of a bigger deal because I was going to cut him. Other then Josh Gordon, who I once held for almost 7 years on a FFPC team, I would have to classify Mike Williams as the biggest roster drain on a team I've ever owned as I've had him sine he entered the league and don't think I've started him more then once or twice.

Agree with were your mind is on Cooper, I think he' s likely gone after this year and if he's not then Gallup will be. But I also own Gallup on an FFPC team and he's like Mike Williams to me in that it's a roster drain for what I assume is another year so I'd happily exit out for 2.6 and a future second.

 

Roster clogger or not I was just offered Big Mike for my 3.05. I had the roster spot so I took the deal. Dude is a beast and while he is often plagued with nagging injuries (back, etc) I still think he can be a late career bloomer. 

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2 minutes ago, BigAl21 said:

Roster clogger or not I was just offered Big Mike for my 3.05. I had the roster spot so I took the deal. Dude is a beast and while he is often plagued with nagging injuries (back, etc) I still think he can be a late career bloomer. 

Yeah that is pretty good. Late career bloomer is definitely in the range of outcomes, especially with Herbert there now. Future 2nd is an autoslam for me but at 3.05 I'm probably a buyer depending on room/team needs.

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16 minutes ago, BigAl21 said:

Roster clogger or not I was just offered Big Mike for my 3.05. I had the roster spot so I took the deal. Dude is a beast and while he is often plagued with nagging injuries (back, etc) I still think he can be a late career bloomer. 

Certainly possible, just can't seem to earn much of a target share and that bloom needs to happen fast as he'll be 27 next season. I  do think 3.5 is a solid price to take a shot on if you got room. One of my few non-FFPC leagues is a 21 man roster and I'm holding him in that one.

 

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He is so much of a roster clogger to me that I don't even try to move him because I assume no one wants to buy him (for a 2nd). I might just drop him inseason honestly. 

Serious answer, though, he might be the perfect kind of guy to offer someone during the rookie draft for a bump. Something like 2.06 plus Mike Williams to get to 2.01? IDK.

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12 team ppr QB / 2RB / 3WR / TE / FL 

 

 

Team A gave up

Reagor, Jalen PHI WR;

Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.08;

Year 2021 Draft Pick 4.07

 

Team B gave up 

Claypool, Chase PIT WR;

Year 2022 Round 4 Draft Pick

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25 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

He is so much of a roster clogger to me that I don't even try to move him because I assume no one wants to buy

 I shopped him around for a third before trading him and market was cold. Perhaps if/when Hunter Henry leaves that will lead to some belief he can pick up some of that target share and prop up his price a little.

He is getting paid $15.68M this year, you'd think they want to get their money's worth but part of me thinks they only picked up that 5th year option due to sunk cost fallacy. Mike Williams taking up 12% of your cap is tough to justify to me but if people like to invest in players that their teams like to invest in I would point out the Chargers declined to franchise Henry for about $13M but are willing to pay Mike Williams $15.68.

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19 hours ago, dewaser said:

Just was offered 1.08 for Kupp in 0.5 PPR - thinking of pulling the trigger, but I want to ask for an extra 3rd on top. What's the general feeling on this one?

I would jump on this personally but depends on if you love Stafford in LA.  I would say even a late pick swap of getting a 3rd back for a 5th or something would be good to wiggle something for name value.

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FFPC not involved:

Team A gives Mixon, Woods, 2022 2nd
Team B gives 1.01, Shenault

ETA crap my bad I typed it wrong it isn't SF - I thought that looked crazy. Still light but a little better.

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25 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

12 team ppr QB / 2RB / 3WR / TE / FL 

 

 

Team A gave up

Reagor, Jalen PHI WR;

Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.08;

Year 2021 Draft Pick 4.07

 

Team B gave up 

Claypool, Chase PIT WR;

Year 2022 Round 4 Draft Pick

Claypool should be good with Juju gone for sure but I think I would take the chance with Reagor and 8 personally.  I think 8 still gets you a really good WR or Pitts in standard league and Reagor still has a ton of upside even if it isn't on par with Claypool.

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17 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

 Just always missing time

For better or worse,depending on how you want to look at it, he's been surprisingly available for most of the last 3 years. He makes those diving catches and seems to get banged up a lot.

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

12 team ppr QB / 2RB / 3WR / TE / FL 

 

 

Team A gave up

Reagor, Jalen PHI WR;

Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.08;

Year 2021 Draft Pick 4.07

 

Team B gave up 

Claypool, Chase PIT WR;

Year 2022 Round 4 Draft Pick

I would take Claypool on this one. QB concerns are real but in terms of talent my opinions is he's in the Metcalf kind of neighborhood.

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20 hours ago, dewaser said:

Just was offered 1.08 for Kupp in 0.5 PPR - thinking of pulling the trigger, but I want to ask for an extra 3rd on top. What's the general feeling on this one?

I'll be the lone dissenter here, but I'd keep Kupp unless I was in a full rebuild. That offense will be much more dynamic next year with Stafford and Akers, and Kupp is extremely reliable (I think I read he had PFF's second highest grade on third down - first was Davante Adams). Kupp had 92 catches last year, and didn't play week 17. It's not a stretch to see 100 catches, 1100 yards, and 8-10 TD's in that offense. Also, I believe he will age well since he doesn't rely heavily on speed in his game.

I'd keep Kupp here.

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8 hours ago, Tejas said:

FFPC $500 Dynasty League

Traded:

RB, Cam Akers

WR, M. Brown

TE, Gerald Everett 

Received:

RB, James Robinson

WR, Mike Evans

TE, Evan Engram 

I'll probably be in the minority again, but I like Akers here. I'm on record as saying that Akers will be a top 5 pick in 2022 redraft leagues. With Evans getting older and his role not super clear, I see Akers as the only superstar in this trade, so I'll take that side.

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52 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

12 team ppr QB / 2RB / 3WR / TE / FL 

 

 

Team A gave up

Reagor, Jalen PHI WR;

Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.08;

Year 2021 Draft Pick 4.07

 

Team B gave up 

Claypool, Chase PIT WR;

Year 2022 Round 4 Draft Pick

Reagor at the 1.08 for me.

We don't really know how good Reagor can be with a full camp and no injuries, but I think he can be pretty good. Toss in the 1.08 and it's a pretty easy call for that side.

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32 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

FFPC SF not involved:

Team A gives Mixon, Woods, 2022 2nd
Team B gives 1.01, Shenault

1.01 and Shenault pretty easily.

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56 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

That is an interesting trade.  Big price as I expect Mixon to have a bounce back year but I would say that probably isn't enough for 1.01.

 

56 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

:loco:

my bad I edited it - not SF just regular. I still think it's weird. If you want a WR I'd rather have Chase/Viska if you want RBs I'd rather have my top rookie and Viska. IDK. 

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One more from the same league above from a couple weeks ago. 12 team SF .5 PPR, not involved

S. Darnold, 1.07, 2.10, 3.07

for

R. Fitzpatrick, M. Gaskin, L. Bowden, J. Smith-Schuster, T. Tagovailoa, 4.10

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