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3 hours ago, BigAl21 said:

Speaking of Robinson, just went down in FFPC

i got: Lamb, Diontae Johnson, Gallup

i gave: Allen Robinson, 1.05

trying to get younger and I prefer using my picks on known NFL production. I try to punt all my picks for current NFL players- this is just another example of that. 

Nice move getting Lamb.  Not free by any means, but I like the move. 

I offered 1.01 & Lockett for Lamb & 1.10 thinking I was offering a reasonable deal...response was "not close" 

I think they see the long term value like many here 

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No, they won't accept

You mean it went down in a league you used to be in??  I’d go ful Vontae Davis on that league asap 

Barkley on this one, it isn't that close

29 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Second trade is lopsided as anything. Davis was WR 28 in PPR this year. There's your WR3. For nothing. He's a guy who is moving on to the Jets to be their number one guy instead of stuck with Henry and Brown as the alphas in TN. Easy trade to make.

I suppose I said meh because I'm not a Davis guy, but I get your post.

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1 hour ago, barackdhouse said:

FFPC a couple small trades for teams I have room and need depth with upside:

1 QB I gave 2.10 I got Gabriel Davis
SF I gave 3.01 I got Van Jefferson

FFPC not involved:

1 QB:

Team A gave J Meyers, 2022 4th
Team B got Corey Davis

 

 

 

Davis for 2.10 is about right.

I'd probably rather have 3.1 over Jefferson in SF

Davis is a steal, possibly an impactful one.

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25 minutes ago, Birdie048 said:

Nice move getting Lamb.  Not free by any means, but I like the move. 

I offered 1.01 & Lockett for Lamb & 1.10 thinking I was offering a reasonable deal...response was "not close" 

I think they see the long term value like many here 

Lockett owner is trying to push him on me in various deals for Evans or ARob.  But he won’t part with Swift or Gibson. 

He’s floating Elliott but I’m hesitant to buy Elliott after years of heavy workload & getting burned by him last year in redraft.

I think he offered Lockett & Elliott for Carson, ARob & my 2022 2nd. The value seems like it’s probably there on paper but I’m so trigger shy about acquiring Elliott until I see him in preseason. He was not a joy to own last year. 

 

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15 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

I suppose I said meh because I'm not a Davis guy, but I get your post.

Ah, okay. Now I understand. Yeah, I'm not a hardcore Davis guy, either. I just thinks he provides some value, especially at that price.

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FFPC (regular)

1.08 and 2.03 for Aiyuk and 4.11

 I gave up the picks.

Not a fan of giving up good picks because it takes some fun out of it but had a little room and trading counterpart is absolutely stacked with lots of top 50-60 overall assets. 

Long time league where I probably have more RB need (who doesn’t) but big fan of Aiyuks talent.

 

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1 minute ago, bombjack said:

FFPC (regular)

1.08 and 2.03 for Aiyuk and 4.11

 I gave up the picks.

Not a fan of giving up good picks because it takes some fun out of it but had a little room and trading counterpart is absolutely stacked with lots of top 50-60 overall assets. 

Long time league where I probably have more RB need (who doesn’t) but big fan of Aiyuks talent.

 

In the league and agree with everything you said and trade made sense for both sides.

 

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32 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Lockett owner is trying to push him on me in various deals for Evans or ARob.  But he won’t part with Swift or Gibson. 

He’s floating Elliott but I’m hesitant to buy Elliott after years of heavy workload & getting burned by him last year in redraft.

I think he offered Lockett & Elliott for Carson, ARob & my 2022 2nd. The value seems like it’s probably there on paper but I’m so trigger shy about acquiring Elliott until I see him in preseason. He was not a joy to own last year. 

 

Completely agree!  Zeke has not shown his recovery yet, but I do expect he will be valuable 2021 but only for 2 years.   Giving up A Rob depends on how you see the QB issue in Chi (IMO, Dalton has a good long ball, but not consistent in mid-range targets). If you think J Williams, Cohen & Montgomery will make a RBBC Carousel with more ground game focus, maybe ARob gets fewer targets?  I don't trust Chi Offense to thrive.  

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1 minute ago, ghostguy123 said:

Another big one in FFPC (not superflex)

Nick Chubb, Ceedee Lamb, Chase Edmonds

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Stephan Diggs, Calvin Ridley, Melvin Gordon, Mike Davis

Not really close.

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1 minute ago, barackdhouse said:

FFPC SF

I gave Mixon, 3.08, 2022 3rd
I got 1.09, 2022 1st (early)

Deep at RB and this was his counter after I told him a future 2nd and 2.09 wasn't close for Mixon.

I like it well enough for you.

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4 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

FFPC SF

I gave Mixon, 3.08, 2022 3rd
I got 1.09, 2022 1st (early)

Deep at RB and this was his counter after I told him a future 2nd and 2.09 wasn't close for Mixon.

Big difference in his initial asking price and I think it's a great exit when you can afford to give up a RB.

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3 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Not really close.

The team getting Diggs and Ridley already has Davante Adams and Tyreek Hill.  Dalvin Cook at RB as well.

Looking at a pretty decent 3 year window.  

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12 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

Tough cuts?

this gets him down to 22 so 6 more to go. but it doesn't look like it should be too tough for him. lots of dead weight. my team could use jones for a 3rd I mean he didn't shop it at all.

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FFPC

acquired McLaurin, 3.04

gave 2022 1st, RoJo and Gus Edwards...

have no RBs and was actually counting on these two, but couldn’t pass up this value on McLaurin and I’ll figure out RBs eventually

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5 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

this gets him down to 22 so 6 more to go. but it doesn't look like it should be too tough for him. lots of dead weight. my team could use jones for a 3rd I mean he didn't shop it at all.

Aaaaand then he bought Jared Cook from me for 4.02 and he is up to 23

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6 hours ago, smbkrypt24 said:

12 team SF league.

Team A gave: 2.01

Team B gave: 2023 1st, 2023 3rd

What’s at 2.01 that’s worth losing your 2023 1st for? 

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5 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

What’s at 2.01 that’s worth losing your 2023 1st for? 

In SF that pushes the players to about 1.07 if you are looking for a positional player and not QB (Other team is set at QB with Wilson and Murray, so I assume that was his way of thinking as well).  I traded out of 2.01 for the future 1st in this deal because I am in a major rebuild and trying to accumulate gobs of future picks.

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11 minutes ago, smbkrypt24 said:

In SF that pushes the players to about 1.07 if you are looking for a positional player and not QB (Other team is set at QB with Wilson and Murray, so I assume that was his way of thinking as well).  I traded out of 2.01 for the future 1st in this deal because I am in a major rebuild and trying to accumulate gobs of future picks.

I’d rather have the future 1st 100 times out of 100. 

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3 hours ago, bro1ncos said:

10 team PPR SF

Team 1 - 1.01

Team 2 - Antonio Gibson and Parris Campbell 

Lordy - unless I’m desperate for Lawrence, gimme the Gibson/Campbell side. 

That makes me wonder if Team 2 couldn’t have just dealt that package for a good established QB. 

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On 3/25/2021 at 6:17 PM, JohnnyU said:

Todd Gurley begs to differ.  Not the same injury issues however.

It wasn’t age 26 that slowed Gurley down so irrelevant statement.

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16 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

FFPC SF

I gave Mixon, 3.08, 2022 3rd
I got 1.09, 2022 1st (early)

Deep at RB and this was his counter after I told him a future 2nd and 2.09 wasn't close for Mixon.

Here is a good lesson in fantasy relations. You could have responded with something snarky because 2.09/future 2 is a pretty bad offer, and that may have put the guy off. Sometimes a bad starting offer is simply that and keeping that door open is always a good idea. Even if someone bombards you with stupid offers year after year they’re bound to send something stupid you actually like.

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I’ve been hunting for big fish the past few days before cut downs

Just landed another big time WR in FFPC

got AJ Brown

gave Evan Engram, Mike Williams, Juju, Gabe Davis

now I have to find some roster fillers for cheap before cut down but I’m happy with the deal

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8 minutes ago, Snorkelson said:

 Even if someone bombards you with stupid offers year after year they’re bound to send something stupid you actually like.

I see this all too often.  Someone makes fairly frequent terrible offers, and then all of a sudden they make a terrible trade that is NOT in their favor.  

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2 minutes ago, BigAl21 said:

I’ve been hunting for big fish the past few days before cut downs

Just landed another big time WR in FFPC

got AJ Brown

gave Evan Engram, Mike Williams, Juju, Gabe Davis

now I have to find some roster fillers for cheap before cut down but I’m happy with the deal

That's dumb

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2 minutes ago, BigAl21 said:

I’ve been hunting for big fish the past few days before cut downs

Just landed another big time WR in FFPC

got AJ Brown

gave Evan Engram, Mike Williams, Juju, Gabe Davis

now I have to find some roster fillers for cheap before cut down but I’m happy with the deal

The stud always wins. 4 quarters for a dollar, nice work.

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45 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Lordy - unless I’m desperate for Lawrence, gimme the Gibson/Campbell side. 

That makes me wonder if Team 2 couldn’t have just dealt that package for a good established QB. 

This is why I am gonna stay away from superflex.  I assumed this was hugely lopsided in favor of the #1 pick.

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4 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

This is why I am gonna stay away from superflex.  I assumed this was hugely lopsided in favor of the #1 pick.

I mean, yes - that 1.01 is valuable, especially in superflex. Not saying Lawrence isn’t valuable. Draft calc favors the Gibson side slightly in SF, but I feel like that’s besides the point. 

The package offered is easily enough to get an established young QB. So unless one truly believes that Lawrence in JAX is the next Peyton Manning/Patrick Mahomes, why not just cut out the middle man & trade for the known quantity? 

Sometimes I think dynasty owners would rather have 2 in the bush over 1 in-hand, as the old expression goes. 

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27 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I mean, yes - that 1.01 is valuable, especially in superflex. Not saying Lawrence isn’t valuable. Draft calc favors the Gibson side slightly in SF, but I feel like that’s besides the point. 

The package offered is easily enough to get an established young QB. So unless one truly believes that Lawrence in JAX is the next Peyton Manning/Patrick Mahomes, why not just cut out the middle man & trade for the known quantity? 

Sometimes I think dynasty owners would rather have 2 in the bush over 1 in-hand, as the old expression goes. 

Apparently I must also value Gibson lower than most.  

Does campbell have any real value?  I must be out of the loop

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6 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

Apparently I must also value Gibson lower than most.  

Does campbell have any real value?  I must be out of the loop

Some, yes, but Gibson is the main guy in this deal. 

I’m also not as high on Gibson as many are. But he has an established value, so whatever my own value of him is becomes irrelevant. 

The only thing that is relevant is someone is dealing a top x running back for a QB.  And if we remove the allure of the sexy “can’t miss prospect” from the equation, it boils down to that. 

Personally I’d float that package to the league & see if I could get a more established young QB.

But that’s more a personal preference. I don’t like investing in the Jags, I’m not sure what Urban will be able to achieve there & I think you could likely get a more established player on a more proven team/offense for Gibson. :shrug: 

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Just now, JoeJoe88 said:

Yeah I’ll take Lawrence here in SF, pretty easily. 

And if I’m trading the 1.01 in SF, I’ll need more than Gibson. I liked Campbell at one point but he’s nearly irrelevant to me now. 

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37 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I mean, yes - that 1.01 is valuable, especially in superflex. Not saying Lawrence isn’t valuable. Draft calc favors the Gibson side slightly in SF, but I feel like that’s besides the point. 

The package offered is easily enough to get an established young QB. So unless one truly believes that Lawrence in JAX is the next Peyton Manning/Patrick Mahomes, why not just cut out the middle man & trade for the known quantity? 

Sometimes I think dynasty owners would rather have 2 in the bush over 1 in-hand, as the old expression goes. 

Takes 2 to tango. Who do you think you can get for gibby/Campbell? Honestly that seems cheap for 1.01, no way that happens after the nfl draft imo. There’s a lot you can do with 1.01 other than take Lawrence. 
 

Who do you target with that package in SF though? NFL is a mix of old good qbs and a handful of good young qbs

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4 minutes ago, Snorkelson said:

Takes 2 to tango. Who do you think you can get for gibby/Campbell? Honestly that seems cheap for 1.01, no way that happens after the nfl draft imo. There’s a lot you can do with 1.01 other than take Lawrence. 
 

Who do you target with that package in SF though? NFL is a mix of old good qbs and a handful of good young qbs

Yeah it's probably easier to deal pick 1 for a good established QB than gibson and campbell

10 team league may be a factor I suppose

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4 minutes ago, Snorkelson said:

Takes 2 to tango. Who do you think you can get for gibby/Campbell? Honestly that seems cheap for 1.01, no way that happens after the nfl draft imo. There’s a lot you can do with 1.01 other than take Lawrence. 
 

Who do you target with that package in SF though? NFL is a mix of old good qbs and a handful of good young qbs

Hard to say. I’m more a bird in the hand guy though & there are a lot of questions around JAX, a team I’m loathe to invest in. 

If there’s a Gibson fan in your league maybe you add a better player than Campbell & try for an even better QB. 

I’d rather have a QB in a better situation if I’m paying a starting RB + X for it. 

each to their own. 

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1 minute ago, ghostguy123 said:

Yeah it's probably easier to deal pick 1 for a good established QB than gibson and campbell

10 team league may be a factor I suppose

You may could deal that package for a good established OLDER QB. But you’re not coming close to a Kyler or Josh Allen. And if you think Lawrence could be in their caliber, making that move for the 1.01 is a no brainer. 

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3 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

Yeah it's probably easier to deal pick 1 for a good established QB than gibson and campbell

10 team league may be a factor I suppose

Ah, I missed that it was 10 team. I assumed 12. You are probably correct that it’s a factor.

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1 minute ago, JoeJoe88 said:

You may could deal that package for a good established OLDER QB. But you’re not coming close to a Kyler or Josh Allen. And if you think Lawrence could be in their caliber, making that move for the 1.01 is a no brainer. 

But you could also add something other than Paris Campbell to go for a better younger quarterback. And you definitely touched on my point, which is that you have to believe. Thinking back on the history of the Jacksonville jaguars doesn’t doesn’t exactly bring “quarterback development“ to mind.

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1 hour ago, BigAl21 said:

I’ve been hunting for big fish the past few days before cut downs

Just landed another big time WR in FFPC

got AJ Brown

gave Evan Engram, Mike Williams, Juju, Gabe Davis

now I have to find some roster fillers for cheap before cut down but I’m happy with the deal

Good thing these trades are done via a computer, because I don't know how you would have been able to hide that look on your face.

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3 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

But you could also add something other than Paris Campbell to go for a better younger quarterback. And you definitely touched on my point, which is that you have to believe. Thinking back on the history of the Jacksonville jaguars doesn’t doesn’t exactly bring “quarterback development“ to mind.

True, but I’ll bet on Lawrence being on a different stratosphere talent-wise than the likes of Chad Henne, Blake Bortles and Gardner Minshew. 

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9 minutes ago, JoeJoe88 said:

True, but I’ll bet on Lawrence being on a different stratosphere talent-wise than the likes of Chad Henne, Blake Bortles and Gardner Minshew. 

Team has a lot of holes, shaky OL and a coach who I’m not sure is well-suited to the NFL.

It could absolutely work out great and someone could end up with the next spectacular generational quarterback, but it’s not a lock.

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2 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Team has a lot of holes, shaky OL and a coach who I’m not sure is well-suited to the NFL.

It could absolutely work out great and someone could end up with the next spectacular generational quarterback, but it’s not a lock.

Gibson could be worthless in a year or two for various reasons.   He is no lock.

Lawrence could tear his ACL three offseasons in a row and still have quite a bit of value.  

Obviously nobody is a lock, but Lawrence is pretty darn close to a lock for me in terms of being a capable QB.  He will also get running points.  

At 22 that is enormous value in superflex......at least I think it is.  I dont play superflex

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2 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I’d rather have the future 1st 100 times out of 100. 

Couldn't disagree more.

The point of draft picks, IMO, if to get talent on your squad you think will help you win. If you see an opportunity to do that a year really you should do it. It's not always about "maximizing value" of the pick and besides, there is no guarantee the kind of guy you hope you'll get will actually be there next year.

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