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I don't play in a Zealots league but this seems like a terrible deal. The 2nd is worth more for Team B and D-Hop is worth more than Chase/Deebo. Think this is selling low on D-Hop for no reason.northern exposure said:
Hopkins by like 70% of hopkinsnorthern exposure said:
I'm surprised he settled for this return for Hopkins. His offer to me was Hopkins and 2.07 for D Swift and 1.03.
So he went from making you an offer worthy of being in the worst trade thread to accepting one that would be close to worthy of being in that thread.
Yeah, good trade, IMO.ffmail4me said:
Phhh obviously he got 3 things in the deal he made so it’s better.I countered with Swift and 2.03 for Hopkins and 2.07.He didn’t even respond to it.
I'm going to disagree while coining the name "Snarky Snorkelson". You could have told him to get lost and... if he really wanted to deal, he might learn to skip an iteration or two of low-ball offers.
I’m pretty sure I could name 6 or 7 rookie rbs/wrs at least that I would prefer to Higgins, but that’s just me. But I can see a case either way.
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Should have went with snarkelson. Those types of dynasty players don’t learn anything, they simply make a high volume of bad offers. I’ll dismiss them politely and hope they eventually slip up. I could put “don’t ever send me another offer” and a week later I’d have some garbage in the inbox. Or maybe they won’t deals with me anymore, period. But eventually those players make a mistake. Or maybe down the road they’ll have a player I’m targeting and that bridge becomes an obstacle to getting that player because it burned. I want to have a workable relationship with that person. If you are in a league with 11 other guys, you shouldn’t limit your trade partners, even if they are mostly unreasonable.
I find this to be true in one league I'm in. Guy sends terrible offers constantly and then out of the blue will send something that can be negotiated. Two of my bigger and so far beneficial trades have come that way, actually.
In the leagues I own Watson I just wouldn't want to move him yet...but this deal is enough of a return that I can see the Watson owner moving him here.
That’s my current plan. Evaluate where my team is this year & if I’m in a position to make the playoffs a 4th straight year then I go for it & trade away my aging assets for a 2022 tank & a 2023 rebuild.
I’d say that misstep alone is reason enough to reject any offers from them.
Me 3. I don't think I would pay the 1.05 for Higgins, but I also don't think his owners would necessarily part with him for that either.
1.04 and it's not close. The other side is the kind of deal that teams perpetually in a "probably makes the playoffs" state make.
This is a great move. Those 2nds aren't even close to enough as you will probably get a stud those 3 picks turn in to depth pieces.
That’s not nearly enough to move up that far. You robbed him. Why can’t I get a dynasty offer like that?
It doest matter what your team looks like. That's a dumb trade for the other guy regardless of rosters or format and great for you regardless of your roster.
I don't use draft calculators, but I should, even if it's to know what a league mate might accept. It seems like draft calculators don't take into account the value of roster spots? The above trade is bad, but seems like a quarter and two dimes for a half-dollar. Then there are the two roster spots, which we'll call a nickel each. The calculator saying 50 cents vs 45 cents doesn't look too bad if you forget the roster spots. Time for me to get into calculators so I know what I can get away with.
You can tell who accepts draft calc offers because they're on the mass receiving end of a 7-for-1 trade.
Zealots field leagues are deep rosters so slots typically are available. In FFPC it would easily be the 1.4.
The problem with calculators is that they are all over the place.. I ran the same offer thru 3 different tools ..
Two firsts and a box of rocks, rubber balls, and ring pops for CMC.
A bunch of garbage until the picks. Middle rd one in 2022 won’t net a good running back, but will in 2023. It is my feeling he should have got some good young players instead of the players he got, to go along with the picks. Perhaps some combination of Ayiuk, Jeudy, Pittman, or Debo Samuel, etc, as an example.
I agree. No way I trade an assets like CMC without some top end assets. Not questions. The picks could end up being towards the top but this move should get him close or in to the playoffs so the picks could be garbo when it is all said and done.
If he made the trades with you he probably averages 2 wins per season over the last decade....
Depending on my mood and knowing the person making the offer, even if its of the comic variety, sometimes I'll take it simply as notice that they're interested in player "x" and a counter is warranted. On the other hand, you learn to know your league mates. If I guy can't make a trade unless he skewers somebody then I'm going with nuclear tactics. Diplomacy is over-rated and, some men, you can't just reach. That might be another phrase I could market.
Well, the other guy had his reasons for the trade and laid them out pretty well. He just has different ways of building a roster.
