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On 3/28/2021 at 5:12 AM, Snorkelson said:

Even if someone bombards you with stupid offers year after year they’re bound to send something stupid you actually like.

Unfortunately the guy in my league that does this never sends me anything I like.  

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No, they won't accept

Barkley on this one, it isn't that close

I don't know why so many people are saying that this is a fair return (despite preferring CMC as they should). It isn't. This is a fraction of what it should cost for a guy like CMC, either that or th

Zealots Field PPR

Traded - 1.11/2.06/2.11

Received - 1.04

I just didn't see a lot in that 1.11/2.06/2.11 area that excited me and really do see a lot of great options in the 1.04 slot.  For the other owner, his picks other than the 1.04 were 2.04/4.04/5.04/6.04.

I am very much in a "win now" state while he's in a "probably makes the playoffs" state.

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18 minutes ago, Spike said:

Zealots Field PPR

Traded - 1.11/2.06/2.11

Received - 1.04

I just didn't see a lot in that 1.11/2.06/2.11 area that excited me and really do see a lot of great options in the 1.04 slot.  For the other owner, his picks other than the 1.04 were 2.04/4.04/5.04/6.04.

I am very much in a "win now" state while he's in a "probably makes the playoffs" state.

That's a big time score. 

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22 minutes ago, Spike said:

Zealots Field PPR

Traded - 1.11/2.06/2.11

Received - 1.04

I just didn't see a lot in that 1.11/2.06/2.11 area that excited me and really do see a lot of great options in the 1.04 slot.  For the other owner, his picks other than the 1.04 were 2.04/4.04/5.04/6.04.

I am very much in a "win now" state while he's in a "probably makes the playoffs" state.

1.04 and it's not close.   The other side is the kind of deal that teams perpetually in a "probably makes the playoffs" state make.

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36 minutes ago, Spike said:

Zealots Field PPR

Traded - 1.11/2.06/2.11

Received - 1.04

I just didn't see a lot in that 1.11/2.06/2.11 area that excited me and really do see a lot of great options in the 1.04 slot.  For the other owner, his picks other than the 1.04 were 2.04/4.04/5.04/6.04.

I am very much in a "win now" state while he's in a "probably makes the playoffs" state.

This is a great move.  Those 2nds aren't even close to enough as you will probably get a stud those 3 picks turn in to depth pieces.

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40 minutes ago, Spike said:

Zealots Field PPR

Traded - 1.11/2.06/2.11

Received - 1.04

I just didn't see a lot in that 1.11/2.06/2.11 area that excited me and really do see a lot of great options in the 1.04 slot.  For the other owner, his picks other than the 1.04 were 2.04/4.04/5.04/6.04.

I am very much in a "win now" state while he's in a "probably makes the playoffs" state.

That’s not nearly enough to move up that far. You robbed him. Why can’t I get a dynasty offer like that?

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54 minutes ago, Spike said:

Zealots Field PPR

Traded - 1.11/2.06/2.11

Received - 1.04

I just didn't see a lot in that 1.11/2.06/2.11 area that excited me and really do see a lot of great options in the 1.04 slot.  For the other owner, his picks other than the 1.04 were 2.04/4.04/5.04/6.04.

I am very much in a "win now" state while he's in a "probably makes the playoffs" state.

It doest matter what your team looks like.  That's a dumb trade for the other guy regardless of rosters or format and great for you regardless of your roster.

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5 minutes ago, menobrown said:

When relying on a draft calculator goes wrong?

I don't use draft calculators, but I should, even if it's to know what a league mate might accept. It seems like draft calculators don't take into account the value of roster spots? The above trade is bad, but seems like a quarter and two dimes for a half-dollar. Then there are the two roster spots, which we'll call a nickel each. The calculator saying 50 cents vs 45 cents doesn't look too bad if you forget the roster spots. Time for me to get into calculators so I know what I can get away with.

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2 minutes ago, Edgar said:

I don't use draft calculators, but I should, even if it's to know what a league mate might accept. It seems like draft calculators don't take into account the value of roster spots? The above trade is bad, but seems like a quarter and two dimes for a half-dollar. Then there are the two roster spots, which we'll call a nickel each. The calculator saying 50 cents vs 45 cents doesn't look too bad if you forget the roster spots. Time for me to get into calculators so I know what I can get away with.

If you come to us with a $20 bill...

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1 minute ago, Edgar said:

 The above trade is bad, but seems like a quarter and two dimes for a half-dollar.

 

Yes and I don't use trade calcs either but I know Hindery's trade value chart, which I respect, shows this was a win for the later picks side and no one in their right mind really agrees with that result.

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2 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

My last draft some guy kept talking about his offere being close or in MY favor on his calculator.

All terrible offers.  Calculators are dumb for the most part

You can tell who accepts draft calc offers because they're on the mass receiving end of a 7-for-1 trade.

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2 minutes ago, menobrown said:

 

Yes and I don't use trade calcs either but I know Hindery's trade value chart, which I respect, shows this was a win for the later picks side and no one in their right mind really agrees with that result.

Zealots field leagues are deep rosters so slots typically are available.  In FFPC it would easily be the 1.4.

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1 hour ago, ghostguy123 said:

My last draft some guy kept talking about his offere being close or in MY favor on his calculator.

All terrible offers.  Calculators are dumb for the most part

The problem with calculators is that they are all over the place..  I ran the same offer thru 3 different tools ..

Basic Trade Package :  Lockett for Hurts & 2nd round pick

Tool 1) 17% in favor of Lockett   (no age factor & picks discounted)

Tool 2) Fair deal:  ~2% in favor of Hurts/Pick  (Picks more valuable)

Tool 3) Close but 8% in favor of Hurst/Pick  (Age is a big factor for dynasty)

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6 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

This big trade just went down.  12 team, 1 QB, .5 PPR.  Not involved:

Team A gave:

CMC, Marvin Jones, and Emmanuel Sanders

Team B Gave:

Leo Fournette, Baker Mayfield, Tre'Quan Smith, Devin Singletary, 22 1st, 22 2nd, 2 22 3rds, 23 1st, and 23 3rd.  Most picks probably in the middle.

Two firsts and a box of rocks, rubber balls, and ring pops for CMC.

Give me CMC.

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4 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

This big trade just went down.  12 team, 1 QB, .5 PPR.  Not involved:

Team A gave:

CMC, Marvin Jones, and Emmanuel Sanders

Team B Gave:

Leo Fournette, Baker Mayfield, Tre'Quan Smith, Devin Singletary, 22 1st, 22 2nd, 2 22 3rds, 23 1st, and 23 3rd.  Most picks probably in the middle.

A bunch of garbage until the picks.  Middle rd one in 2022 won’t net a good running back, but will in 2023.  It is my feeling he should have got some good young players instead of the players he got, to go along with the picks.  Perhaps some combination of Ayiuk, Jeudy, Pittman, or Debo Samuel, etc, as an example.

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2 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

A bunch of garbage until the picks.  Middle rd one in 2022 won’t net a good running back, but will in 2023.  It is my feeling he should have got some good young players instead of the players he got, to go along with the picks.  Perhaps some combination of Ayiuk, Jeudy, Pittman, or Debo Samuel, etc, as an example.

I agree.  No way I trade an assets like CMC without some top end assets.  Not questions.  The picks could end up being towards the top but this move should get him close or in to the playoffs so the picks could be garbo when it is all said and done.

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5 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Guy in one of my leagues was lecturing me yesterday why my offers don't work with him.

He's averaged four wins per season over the last decade.

If he made the trades with you he probably averages 2 wins per season over the last decade....

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23 hours ago, Snorkelson said:

Should have went with snarkelson. Those types of dynasty players don’t learn anything, they simply make a high volume of bad offers. I’ll dismiss them politely and hope they eventually slip up. I could put “don’t ever send me another offer” and a week later I’d have some garbage in the inbox. Or maybe they won’t deals with me anymore, period. But eventually those players make a mistake. Or maybe down the road they’ll have a player I’m targeting and that bridge becomes an obstacle to getting that player because it burned. I want to have a workable relationship with that person. If you are in a league with 11 other guys, you shouldn’t limit your trade partners, even if they are mostly unreasonable. 

Depending on my mood and knowing the person making the offer, even if its of the comic variety, sometimes I'll take it simply as notice that they're interested in player "x" and a counter is warranted.  On the other hand, you learn to know your league mates.  If I guy can't make a trade unless he skewers somebody then I'm going with nuclear tactics.  Diplomacy is over-rated and, some men, you can't just reach. That might be another phrase I could market.

Failure to Communicate

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5 hours ago, ghostguy123 said:

It doest matter what your team looks like.  That's a dumb trade for the other guy regardless of rosters or format and great for you regardless of your roster.

Well, the other guy had his reasons for the trade and laid them out pretty well.  He just has different ways of building a roster.

I really hope the picks DO work out well for him.  And, hey, I remember the year I pulled some solid maneuvers...to get Bishop Sankey 1.01 over Julio Jones and AJ Green.  Sometimes things just don't work out according to plan.

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11 hours ago, Spike said:

Well, the other guy had his reasons for the trade and laid them out pretty well.  He just has different ways of building a roster.

I really hope the picks DO work out well for him.  And, hey, I remember the year I pulled some solid maneuvers...to get Bishop Sankey 1.01 over Julio Jones and AJ Green.  Sometimes things just don't work out according to plan.

Oooh Bishop Sankey...that name still gives me nightmares. I was so happy when my Titans drafted him. 

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1 hour ago, Pwingles said:

12 team superflex, ppr TE prem

 

Sent - Wentz, DJ moore

Got - Lamb, mooney, '22 2nd mid/late

I'm really not a Moore fan so this isn't close for me. If Mooney and the 2nd were on the Moore side I probably still wouldn't move Lamb for that package.

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1 hour ago, Pwingles said:

 

12 team superflex, ppr TE prem

 

Sent - Wentz, DJ moore

Got - Lamb, mooney, '22 2nd mid/late

 

I’m actually a big fan of all these WR’s involved here, but even so I still would take the Lamb side. Moore just seems to be so consistently underrated to me. Is it because he doesn’t score many tds? He’s dealt with shoddy QB play his whole career and still managed to put up 1100+ yards the past two seasons. And he doesn’t even turn 24 for a couple more weeks. 

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31 minutes ago, JoeJoe88 said:

I’m actually a big fan of all these WR’s involved here, but even so I still would take the Lamb side. Moore just seems to be so consistently underrated to me. Is it because he doesn’t score many tds? He’s dealt with shoddy QB play his whole career and still managed to put up 1100+ yards the past two seasons. And he doesn’t even turn 24 for a couple more weeks. 

I like him too. But I think the days of him being a top 5 dynasty wr, or at least have that potential are gone. He will always probably be a 'good' player, but I think Lamb might be a difference maker, so I make that deal all day.

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20 hours ago, Spike said:

Zealots Field PPR

Traded - 1.11/2.06/2.11

Received - 1.04

You should send him a fruit basket and an apology note annually for like, a decade. 

 

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26 minutes ago, Pwingles said:

I like him too. But I think the days of him being a top 5 dynasty wr, or at least have that potential are gone. He will always probably be a 'good' player, but I think Lamb might be a difference maker, so I make that deal all day.

I guess I’m  just bullish on Moore.  He’ll only be 24 this season and he’s got two “almost” 1200 yard seasons.   His TDs have been poor at 4 each of the last two seasons.  And if you consider his last two season he played with such talents as Will Grier, kyle Allen, and Teddy B. I’m not sure how you can say his potential for “top 5 is gone”.  He gets a good QB and he absolutely could be a top WR, especially if he catches a few more TDs. 

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2 hours ago, JoeJoe88 said:

I’m actually a big fan of all these WR’s involved here, but even so I still would take the Lamb side. Moore just seems to be so consistently underrated to me. Is it because he doesn’t score many tds? He’s dealt with shoddy QB play his whole career and still managed to put up 1100+ yards the past two seasons. And he doesn’t even turn 24 for a couple more weeks. 

I don't hate Moore and I think he is really fun to watch. I'm actually a fan I guess. But I agree with this take:

1 hour ago, Pwingles said:

I like him too. But I think the days of him being a top 5 dynasty wr, or at least have that potential are gone. He will always probably be a 'good' player, but I think Lamb might be a difference maker, so I make that deal all day.

Moore *could* still get there and admittedly Lamb hasn't been a league winner *yet*, but for me this comes down to which side I'd rather put my chips in with. 

59 minutes ago, Boone22 said:

I guess I’m  just bullish on Moore.  He’ll only be 24 this season and he’s got two “almost” 1200 yard seasons.   His TDs have been poor at 4 each of the last two seasons.  And if you consider his last two season he played with such talents as Will Grier, kyle Allen, and Teddy B. I’m not sure how you can say his potential for “top 5 is gone”.  He gets a good QB and he absolutely could be a top WR, especially if he catches a few more TDs. 

He could absolutely get there, but I think the price was too much. If I could buy low on him I'd roster and start him in a heartbeat. 

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27 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

I don't hate Moore and I think he is really fun to watch. I'm actually a fan I guess. But I agree with this take:

Moore *could* still get there and admittedly Lamb hasn't been a league winner *yet*, but for me this comes down to which side I'd rather put my chips in with. 

He could absolutely get there, but I think the price was too much. If I could buy low on him I'd roster and start him in a heartbeat. 

But what do you consider “buying low”?   People love McLauren but if you compare his stats to Moore, McLauren is following the same trajectory.  Add in that McLauren is already 25 and Moore will still only be 24 this coming season.  I don’t see how you can buy low on either of these guys.   
 

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3 minutes ago, Boone22 said:

But what do you consider “buying low”?   People love McLauren but if you compare his stats to Moore, McLauren is following the same trajectory.  Add in that McLauren is already 25 and Moore will still only be 24 this coming season.  I don’t see how you can buy low on either of these guys.   
 

Honestly I have seen zero instances of anyone buying low on Moore. I'm just saying this was buying high. And selling super low on Lamb. I don't really envision a deal where anyone is selling low on Moore or McLaurin. I would rather have McLaurin TBH but I think you make a good comp there. I see they are at 5.08 and 5.10 in SF startup ADP. Lamb is at 4.01. Lamb is coming off as WR6 and the others as WR13/14. But I don't think it's crazy to prefer Moore. I disagree but it's perfectly reasonable. I love the Dallas offense a lot more than the mystery that is Carolina. And I like what Washington is doing. 

Single QB FFPC startup ADP Lamb is at 2.12 as WR7 and Moore/McLaurin as WR13/14 at 4.04/4.07 

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16 hours ago, Spike said:

Well, the other guy had his reasons for the trade and laid them out pretty well.  He just has different ways of building a roster.

I really hope the picks DO work out well for him.  And, hey, I remember the year I pulled some solid maneuvers...to get Bishop Sankey 1.01 over Julio Jones and AJ Green.  Sometimes things just don't work out according to plan.

If I trade a stud for two late rookie picks, and the stud has a career ending injury while one of the 4th round rookies becomes a good player......its still a bad trade.  

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1 hour ago, mcintyre1 said:

Zealots PPR

Team A: Akers, Chark, Ruggs

Team B: 1.02, 1.04

If the final player was someone I cared a little more about than Ruggs, I would lean the players side. As is, I’ll take the picks, but it’s close. 

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30 minutes ago, IHEARTFF said:

FFPC orphan rebuild continues

gave 22 7th

got N Hines

FFPC notwithstanding, I love this deal. What were you going to get in the 7th that would rival that? Tom Kislingbury over at DLF broke down all of the Colts' backs touches this year and came to the conclusion that with the amount of running plays they undertook this year, mixed with Taylor only having 39 targets, Hines is still set to get his, too. Now that's speculation, but Hines had a role on that team other than really the last four games where Taylor faced "historically bad" run defenses, according to Kislingbury.

In short, I like it, and given the advanced usage study from this year (Hines is in on plenty of early downs), if it stays constant, will be a boon to you, IMO.

I was thinking of trying to acquire Hines myself.

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57 minutes ago, BigAl21 said:

FFPC right at the deadline 

gave: 7.05

got: Hooper

For bench depth

Yep that's how that works. Good deal. And in another league where I wanted to make room and had better TE depth I moved him for 4.02. 

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2 hours ago, ffmail4me said:

12 team PPR dynasty (1 qb league)

Gave: JuJu and 1.10

Got: 1.5 pick

Have a ton of WR depth and wanted a top 3 RB, Pitts or Chase. Thoughts? 

Might be a bit much for some people, but if you can get one of those guys who you listed and think would be a real difference maker, I don't think it's bad.

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3 hours ago, ffmail4me said:

12 team PPR dynasty (1 qb league)

Gave: JuJu and 1.10

Got: 1.5 pick

Have a ton of WR depth and wanted a top 3 RB, Pitts or Chase. Thoughts? 

Remember when Juju was like a top 3 dynasty player? Haha. But I like the move, personally. Chase and Juju could not even be remotely close in value in a year or two. 

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3 hours ago, ffmail4me said:

12 team PPR dynasty (1 qb league)

Gave: JuJu and 1.10

Got: 1.5 pick

Have a ton of WR depth and wanted a top 3 RB, Pitts or Chase. Thoughts? 

No problem at all with this trade.

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