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This seems pretty light for Chubb. I'm not even a huge Chubb fan with Hunt there but Penny isn't worth a ton to me (neither is Harry) and I like Aiyuk but I would say the pick would need to be top 4 or should have another late 1st or 2nd included.
I agree Penny and Harry are not worth much and frankly surprised people rostered Harry after cuts.
I can envision those scenarios as well, and perhaps 10 years is too generous, but I pretty strongly disagree with your take on Baker. On the Browns as a team, sure I can see regression and any number of things that could go wrong, but I saw Baker make major strides last year in terms of how he played the game. #1 on that list is/was pocket presence. Which IMO has always been one of the top two or three traits that define whether a developing young QB becomes that guy or not. If you had asked me a year ago I would have said he is about to bust if he can't figure out how to move around and within the pocket instead of always bailing to the same side. I really didn't like him going into last year. But I saw major development from him.
Me too. That's more like what I'd hope to get.
I can see that but if I were a Chubb owner, that is the type of offer it would require. I'm a Niner fan and like Aiyuk but he could end up being just another WR2 (or worse) which can always be found. Almost all of his damage last year came when Kittle and Samuel were hurt plus he has had injuries. He doesn't move the needle enough when talking about top 5 RB upside that is always hard to come by. A late pick like 10 has way too much bust potential or potential to be just another Aiyuk to give up a player like Chubb to me.
If you see it that way sure but reality is while Chubb is a very talented player he's a 25 year old RB with a high of RB8. He has ZERO chance to be a top 5 RB IMO so long as Hunt is healthy.
That is why I said "upside". He led the league in rushing a couple of years ago. He finished top 10 last year while missing 4 games. I just don't make it a habit of trading top 5 talent at the RB position for multiple WR2s. Just bad business IMO and I'm not even crazy high on Chubb.
Right but not many people are in the business of trading low end RB1's for a all time WR or TE talent like Chase/Pitts plus an Aiyuk either. That's why I'm saying 4/Aiyuk is to much. No one is disagreeing with you on 10/Aiyuk.
The upside of things is that playing with Hunt may extend the usable part of his career by a year or two, maybe more. So I'd take a top 10 guy for 6-8 years versus a top 5 guy for 4-6, just as a rough example.
I think we are kind of making the same points. I'm not saying Pitts/Chase and Aiyuk isn't enough. Just saying that is what it would take for me to move Chubb. I tend to value RBs higher than some. Just from my experience in fantasy football for many years. That is how I like to build my teams. There is a chance that Williams is there at 4 too and no guarantee that the 3rd RB in a weak RB class is great either. Chase and Pitts could miss too (not predicting that). Just too much unknown so I would need to get paid to get out from Chubb. I think I would have to get in to that top tier. Maybe 5 and take the 1st player in the 2nd tier.
I think people have finally come around to Chubb's somewhat limited upside with Hunt there, but are still overestimating Chubb's floor with Hunt there.
I'm in 100 agreement on the bolded and understood you saying 4 and Aiyuk were comparable.
Good insight. I agree there and I'm not really high on Chubb. Maybe I should have said 5 and Aiyuk to get out of that top tier as you make good points. 4/Aiyuk wouldn't be close for me to move Kamara either. We are close to the same thoughts here.
If James Robinson is your RB5, I would say - you don't need anyone's advice here
To be fair Robinson was my RB3 in terms of performance last year, based on what I've seen this year he's my 5th ranked RB in fantasy community and by me at this time but he's not far away from 3 and 4.If James Robinson is your RB5, I would say - you don't need anyone's advice here
In any event, we have just identified where that person values top 5 picks.
Great post. I agree with a lot of what you're saying but I'm not sure I follow the RB2 grouping even on a ppg basis.
Right but the point here is with Hunt in the fold. Look up his splits that year from after Hunt joined the team after serving his suspension.
I see what both teams are doing...team B gets a known quantity while Team A is probably looking to move on from Juju as his upside is starting to feel limited...as long as I had solid depth at WR I would take the 1.10 and see if I can nail that pick.
Kind of getting off topic but I love these leagues. I actually am surprised how similar these rules are to my league (each team can franchise 1 player with an expired contract per year, and can transition tag 1 player whereby they have the opportunity to match the winning RFA bid to retain the player). I started the league around 15+ years ago and didn't realize there were others with such similar rules.
I've got one but not the other. I agree with Dr. Octopus that there's no pen or marker to paper until the draft, but my patience is also killing me...
I run 3 of these kind of leagues and also help run in 2 others. The commish work in these are insanity and I am not sure you do the same kind of RFA/FA we do which is ebay style bidding so even during the season if you want a FA you have go bid on them during the week and there is a 24 hour clock and it resets on every bid so $1, $2, ect........FreeBaGeL said:
I like the Allen side. I think Allen is a upgrade over Wilson, Lamb MAYBE an upgrade over Higgins but that and 2nd doesn't near make up the difference in Allen over Wilson.
I don't hate it because of Jacobs. I don't like the 1.13 part of it. I'd like a bit higher pick, not that Team B necessarily had a 1.08 or 1.09 lying around.
What a haul for Swift in SF. Very impressive.
1.01 by half of the 1.01. This is a slaughter.
Sutton and the two picks...Swift looks like he'll be a good one but this is a very nice haul for him...if Sutton picks up where he was pre-injury this could really turn out to be a great deal.
1.1 pretty easily...you need to get more than that for that pick...honest question but does team A know the Raiders signed Drake?
I think this is pretty fair deal and I love Allen but Lamb is a huge upgrade to Higgins. He is much more talented.
Tell me this deal was at least made before Drake signed, Riddick resigned, and they traded/cut all their O-line? It was bad then and now it is just an absolutely robbery. Very bad deal for Team A.
This is a great return for Swift if rebuilding. Nothing wrong with that at all. Probably a good trade even if not rebuilding.
im rebuilding and i cant even get 2 firsts for saquon in my league. so to get that plus sutton is a very nice haul for swift
I semi-seriously shopped CMC about a month ago just to see if anyone would offer a ransom and I couldn't get more than one first + Ekeler for him.
Nope don't understand it even without that. He is not one of the most astute owners.
If you're win now, the Adams side. If you're like my team, the McLaurin side, but I'm pretty sure calcs would have Adams side by ADP, anyway. The Samuel for Meyers part makes it pretty even, actually. I'm high on Samuel, but also on Claypool and McLaurin, though I see why there are reasons to sell both.
Appreciate the breakdown of your thought process, we honestly share a lot of the same viewpoints on the players, within the context of this deal. I’m big on Claypool and McLaurin, but I’m win now (defending multiple title appearances in a row although I lost this past season) and couldn’t resist Adams. I actually rejected his initial offer two days ago, but he loves McLaurin so he checked back in with me to price match one last time before going for another deal. I added the Samuel for Meyer swap and took the plunge.
I choose the team getting the Wilson side and it's not even close. I think that team won at all 3 points in the deal.
There is a huge x-factor here...QB's...Ben looks like he is probably in his last year, who knows what the future QB situation is with Washington, if there is a God Cam will not be the QB for the Pats past preseason and Rodgers and the Packers always seem to have a little drama going on as well...due to that this deal could look far different in a year (good or bad...for either side)...no doubt this is a fair deal but to really judge it I would need to see who the other WRs are on each team...IMO roster construction would really determine whether I would make this deal (on either side)...I will say that Samuel is a nice addition to Adams as he is still only 24 and appears to still have more fantasy upside.
Yeah, I didn't address the WAS QB situation uphtread when I first thought about it. Fitzmagic is on a one-year deal and all WAS has is Heinecke and Allen backing him up. As for NE, I don't even think Cam matters because it doesn't seem to me like Jakobi Meyers is really even fantasy viable anymore. I think NE drafts somebody to be outside and Bourne plays slot when they go three-wide. Not to mention that NE should run a lot of 12 personnel this year, or if they don't, they like to have a fullback, too, so there's only two receivers seeing the field an awful lot. All is not trending upwards for Jakobi, that's for sure. He's actually a cut candidate on my roster, TBH.
I'd want McLaurin and Claypool (Meyers is borderline drop).
