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29 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

I’m incredibly surprised that people prefer Akers to Swift in ppr.  

I don't agree with it but I'm not surprised. People aren't going to believe Detroit has a fantasy relevant RB until they see it. They'll see it.

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5 hours ago, deadlyrange0321 said:

12 team PPR 1QB 

Wasn’t involved but interested to see feedback:

Team A trades:

CEH 

1.04

 

Team B trades:

DK Metcalf 

Sure beats getting 1.06

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6 hours ago, deadlyrange0321 said:

12 team PPR 1QB 

Wasn’t involved but interested to see feedback:

Team A trades:

CEH 

1.04

 

Team B trades:

DK Metcalf 

CEH and the 1.04 for me.

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36 minutes ago, Mark Football said:

I don't agree with it but I'm not surprised. People aren't going to believe Detroit has a fantasy relevant RB until they see it. They'll see it.

It's not that I don't believe in Swift, I like him. I just think Akers is primed for an absolutely huge year. I predict that Akers will be a no-brainer top 5 redraft pick in 2022.

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9 minutes ago, kutta said:

It's not that I don't believe in Swift, I like him. I just think Akers is primed for an absolutely huge year. I predict that Akers will be a no-brainer top 5 redraft pick in 2022.

I agree he has a big year and like him more than Swfit but this seems a little much.  I also trust McVay over Campbell by far.

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25 minutes ago, kutta said:

It's not that I don't believe in Swift, I like him. I just think Akers is primed for an absolutely huge year. I predict that Akers will be a no-brainer top 5 redraft pick in 2022.

 

16 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

I agree he has a big year and like him more than Swfit but this seems a little much.  I also trust McVay over Campbell by far.

Good feedback.  Thanks guys.  I don’t see “huge” upside, especially as it relates to catching the ball.  But that’s what’s fun about this hobby.  Maybe I just see Swift as uber safe, with 70 catch upside and don’t feel quite as confident in Akers despite a couple solid playoff games after a mostly disappointing rookie season.  Should be fun to see how it plays out.  The upside should be there with Stafford in the fold running McVay‘s offense.

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3 hours ago, SayWhat? said:

I’m incredibly surprised that people prefer Akers to Swift in ppr.  

The problem is the Lions offense won’t score near as many touchdowns as the Rams

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16 minutes ago, Edgar said:

The problem is the Lions offense won’t score near as many touchdowns as the Rams

But the Lions defense will allow more than the Rams defense thus be playing from behind more often...Garbage time plays favor 3rd Down RB ....

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3 hours ago, Mark Football said:

I don't agree with it but I'm not surprised. People aren't going to believe Detroit has a fantasy relevant RB until they see it. They'll see it.

Also Akers’ big playoff game is fresh in people’s mind. He really only had one other big regular season game but his value skyrocketed this offseason.

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4 hours ago, SayWhat? said:

I’m incredibly surprised that people prefer Akers to Swift in ppr.  

Had them about even entering the league, a year later still have them about equal.

To me I like Akers a little more in 2021, I like Swift more for the longer term.

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2 hours ago, Birdie048 said:

But the Lions defense will allow more than the Rams defense thus be playing from behind more often...Garbage time plays favor 3rd Down RB ....

It's a funny gameflow predicament we have. The Lions will be behind, which helps Swift receive. The Rams will be close/ahead, which helps Akers get fed. They're both gonna be monsters.

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13 hours ago, deadlyrange0321 said:

12 team PPR 1QB 

Wasn’t involved but interested to see feedback:

Team A trades:

CEH 

1.04

 

Team B trades:

DK Metcalf 

I think I would take the CEH side. I think would like a little more in return then Metcalf. 

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On 5/5/2021 at 10:03 AM, Birdie048 said:

Another deal....  12 Team 0.5 PPR, 1 QB  (TE 1.0 PPR - I JUST LEARNED THIS!! )

I gave up 1.01 and 2.05 

I received Phi RB Miles Sanders & Det TE TJ Hockenson 

 

 

This feels like a solid deal to me. I think Sanders is a little underrated, and is a very solid post-hype guy. Gainwell is zero threat, and Hurts could be a sizable upgrade for the offense overall. 

I'd probably value the 1.1 slightly more than Sanders, but Hockenson is worth a lot more than the 2.5. 

13 hours ago, deadlyrange0321 said:

12 team PPR 1QB 

Wasn’t involved but interested to see feedback:

Team A trades:

CEH 

1.04

 

Team B trades:

DK Metcalf 

I think this is worth it for Metcalf. I don't think CEH is cut out to ever be a true RB1, I hated that pick when KC made it, and the 1.4 is likely either Pitts or a WR who has a lower ceiling than Metcalf. I may be slightly biased, as I've always been a monster Metcalf fan. But he's got WR1 overall upside to me.

13 hours ago, Jayded said:

I've been working on the Pitts owner for almost a year in our Devy league and last night he agreed and hit the button this morning to make things official.


Dynasty, Devy, IDP, PPR (TE Premium, +1 PPR for TE), 6 points all TDs
 

I gave: D'Andre Swift, Robert Woods, Dallas Goedert
I got: Cam Akers, Marvin Jones, Kyle Pitts

He really wanted Swift and I really wanted Pitts and we've been doing this dance a while. Once I upgraded the TE in the deal to Goedert, that was enough to make him pull the trigger. Super happy on my end to finally get Pitts.

I can see both sides of this one. I guess it depends on how big of a hole they had at WR, and how much of a contender they are. I think Woods/Jones is probably the biggest difference in talent among the swaps.

That said, I think Akers>Swift and Pitts>>Goedert.

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14 hours ago, deadlyrange0321 said:

12 team PPR 1QB 

Wasn’t involved but interested to see feedback:

Team A trades:

CEH 

1.04

 

Team B trades:

DK Metcalf 

CEH/4 side to me and not very close.

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20 hours ago, deadlyrange0321 said:

12 team PPR 1QB 

Wasn’t involved but interested to see feedback:

Team A trades:

CEH 

1.04

 

Team B trades:

DK Metcalf 

If you want Metcalf you are not gonna get him without stepping up...a lot of this depends on what your roster looks like but I have zero issues doing this if I wanted to add DKM as it's definitely not an overpay...I am not real high on CEH so I don't mind giving him up at all...don't know how the draft goes but if Chase-Pitts-Najee go in the first three picks than I would love this deal even more as the new DK Owner...unless CEH turns into a legit difference-maker (and he did not look like one last year) I think this is a pretty safe deal to get Metcalf...I also feel that if you needed to deal Metcalf at a later date I think you should at least get back in value what you gave up here.

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A couple more trades went down this week in my league .... 0.5 PPR / TE 1.0 PPR  1 QB / 1-3 RB / 2-5 WR / 1-2 TE 

Not involved in these .....

Team A gave up DK Metcalf & 2022 2nd (late?)

Team B gave up 1.03 

 

Team C gave up Mike Evans & 2022 1st (mid?)

Team D gave up Zeke 

 

Team D gave up Jalen Reagor & 2022 1st (no idea)

Team E gave up Antonio Gibson

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32 minutes ago, Birdie048 said:

A couple more trades went down this week in my league .... 0.5 PPR / TE 1.0 PPR  1 QB / 1-3 RB / 2-5 WR / 1-2 TE 

Not involved in these .....

Team A gave up DK Metcalf & 2022 2nd (late?)

Team B gave up 1.03 

 

Team C gave up Mike Evans & 2022 1st (mid?)

Team D gave up Zeke 

 

Team D gave up Jalen Reagor & 2022 1st (no idea)

Team E gave up Antonio Gibson

Yuck on the first one...the extra 2nd is comical, Team B has a future in sales...not a fan of giving up a future 1 for Zeke just in case he is hitting the wall but if you are a RB away I get it because I am not an Evans fan...just need to make sure you have Pollard as well...I would give that up to get Gibson...don't see Reagor ever being a stud and you have a year to get back another #1, that's a real nice deal for a potential stud RB...not sure what Team E is trying to accomplish here.

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8 minutes ago, Boston said:

Yuck on the first one...the extra 2nd is comical, Team B has a future in sales...

It's hysterical that he got that 2nd thrown into what was already a major major win for him. I'll try to be excellent and not comment on Team A's mental capacity.

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Very surprised at the thoughts on Akers.  I think McVay learned his lesson about eggs and baskets from Gurley and is now a full on RBBC-lover.  I see a huge split here and maybe even a game-to-game role flip if he tries to out-think opponents.  If Akers is getting this kind of love I need to get him on the block. 

I'll take CEH/1.04 over Metcalf in most leagues but it's close and individual team need could sway me.

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Just now, Hankmoody said:

Very surprised at the thoughts on Akers.  I think McVay learned his lesson about eggs and baskets from Gurley and is now a full on RBBC-lover.  I see a huge split here and maybe even a game-to-game role flip if he tries to out-think opponents.  If Akers is getting this kind of love I need to get him on the block. 

I agree. People are overlooking Henderson who actually outperformed Akers most weeks.

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5 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I agree. People are overlooking Henderson who actually outperformed Akers most weeks.

I thought we moved past this Henderson thing.  From what I saw down the stretch Akers is "the guy".

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2 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

I thought we moved past this Henderson thing.  From what I saw down the stretch Akers is "the guy".

Akers owners have blindly moved past this Henderson thing but reality might tell us otherwise.I own no shares of Akers and only a lonely share of Henderson but I’m baffled at the crowning of Akers already..

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2 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

I thought we moved past this Henderson thing.  From what I saw down the stretch Akers is "the guy".

He had one big game, a few mediocre games and a HUGE stinker in Week 17. I do not own either RB, but I'm not sure why "we" moved past Henderson when he performed just as well for most of the season as the offseason darling Akers.

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Just now, BigAl21 said:

Akers owners have blindly moved past this Henderson thing but reality might tell us otherwise.I own no shares of Akers and only a lonely share of Henderson but I’m baffled at the crowning of Akers already..

Not sure why you're baffled, because it seemed pretty clear who the main RB was and it was Akers.  I'm one of those Henderson guys who fought tooth and nail for him, but unlike some, I know when I'm defeated.

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44 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

He had one big game, a few mediocre games and a HUGE stinker in Week 17. I do not own either RB, but I'm not sure why "we" moved past Henderson when he performed just as well for most of the season as the offseason darling Akers.

That HUGE stinker came when he played with a high ankle sprain (the same injury that landed Henderson on IR). I think he deserves a pass on that one.

When you see what happened the last ~6 weeks of their season it's hard to come away thinking anything but this is Akers' backfield. Henderson will have a role, but he'll be playing 2nd fiddle.

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Just now, humpback said:

That HUGE stinker came when he played with a high ankle sprain (the same injury that landed Henderson on IR). I think he deserves a pass on that one.

When you see what happened the last ~6 weeks of their season it's hard to come away thinking anything but this is Akers' backfield. Henderson will have a role, but he'll be playing 2nd fiddle.

I actually agree with the bolded - I just don't think Henderson is going away though like some seem to think.

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5 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I actually agree with the bolded - I just don't think Henderson is going away though like some seem to think.

I don't see anyone saying that Henderson is going away, but I do see some suggesting a full on split, which you "liked".

This is a high-powered offense that got better with Stafford, and 124 RB touches were freed up by not bring Brown back. The last 6 weeks showed a very clear trend, so while nothing is guaranteed, it certainly seems like Akers is poised to have a huge year as the lead RB even with Henderson getting his ~8-10 touches per game.

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4 minutes ago, humpback said:

I don't see anyone saying that Henderson is going away, but I do see some suggesting a full on split, which you "liked".

 

I "liked it" - oh my.

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27 minutes ago, humpback said:

That HUGE stinker came when he played with a high ankle sprain (the same injury that landed Henderson on IR). I think he deserves a pass on that one.

When you see what happened the last ~6 weeks of their season it's hard to come away thinking anything but this is Akers' backfield. Henderson will have a role, but he'll be playing 2nd fiddle.

Just a fair reminder, after 2019 Tyler Higbee finished the last ~6 weeks of the season as PPR dynamite at TE and almost everyone was sure this meant he was going to have a huge 2020 (which we all know he didn't). Obviously different position and everything, but we should probably be a little wary of the fickle nature of McVay and the Ram's offense.

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25 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I "liked it" - oh my.

The point is, you're projecting- not a single person has said Henderson is going away as you claim, while others have said it's going to be a full on rbbc.

19 minutes ago, mcintyre1 said:

Just a fair reminder, after 2019 Tyler Higbee finished the last ~6 weeks of the season as PPR dynamite at TE and almost everyone was sure this meant he was going to have a huge 2020 (which we all know he didn't). Obviously different position and everything, but we should probably be a little wary of the fickle nature of McVay and the Ram's offense.

Sure, which is why I put the disclaimer that nothing is guaranteed. However, Higbee had 3 1/2 seasons of nothing prior to that, and that good stretch came while Everett was injured. There were red flags all over that "surge".

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5 hours ago, FreshiZ said:

Wow, as a CEH owner I'll take Metcalf

 

For me it's less about CEH or Metcalf and about value of having two young first or nearly first round pedigreed RB's or one RB with a Chase or PItts.

If we could agree for just this exercise that Dobbins and Gibson are RB's similar in value to CEH and that Najee has no chance to make it to 4  I would put it this way:

(CEH or Dobbins or Gibson)+ (Chase or PItts or ETN or Williams) > Any WR in the NFL

 

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3 hours ago, Birdie048 said:

A couple more trades went down this week in my league .... 0.5 PPR / TE 1.0 PPR  1 QB / 1-3 RB / 2-5 WR / 1-2 TE 

Not involved in these .....

Team A gave up DK Metcalf & 2022 2nd (late?)

Team B gave up 1.03 

 

Team C gave up Mike Evans & 2022 1st (mid?)

Team D gave up Zeke 

 

Team D gave up Jalen Reagor & 2022 1st (no idea)

Team E gave up Antonio Gibson

I'll jump on board with the 1st one being terrible.  No way that 2nd should be included at all.  The 2nd was an overpay for Zeke but I don't have a problem with it for win now team as he should have a big season this year and maybe 1 more after.  The last one is probably a little light for Gibson but depending on where that 22 pick ends up it could even out nicely for Team E but not good business to do deals like this.

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2 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I agree. People are overlooking Henderson who actually outperformed Akers most weeks.

That is very true but Akers was banged up and with no off-season it took some rookies a while to settle in.  I think it is obvious which one is more talented.  Henderson will still get work for sure but Brown being gone helps them both too.  I agree that you could make an argument for Akers or Swift depending on your preference though.

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9 hours ago, Boston said:

If you want Metcalf you are not gonna get him without stepping up...a lot of this depends on what your roster looks like but I have zero issues doing this if I wanted to add DKM as it's definitely not an overpay...I am not real high on CEH so I don't mind giving him up at all...don't know how the draft goes but if Chase-Pitts-Najee go in the first three picks than I would love this deal even more as the new DK Owner...unless CEH turns into a legit difference-maker (and he did not look like one last year) I think this is a pretty safe deal to get Metcalf...I also feel that if you needed to deal Metcalf at a later date I think you should at least get back in value what you gave up here.

Except in 1 of my 16 team leagues someone did a step down and still got Metcalf.  I posted this a while ago.

1.06, 2.06, 3.06, 4.06, 5.06 for Metcalf.  So basically picks 6 and 22 because everything after that in a 16 teamer is crap shoot.

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Reagor for free

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Shenault is probably a bit ahead of the 1.09 today

Brown for 2.10 feels right

Penny for 4.02 feels right

 

I lean toward the Viska side if only because I hate the back half of the 1st round this year. 

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28 minutes ago, lardonastick said:

12 team 0.5ppr SF, not involved

J. Reagor and S. Ahmed

for 

C. Herndon and A. Mattison (Cook owner)

I know everyone is down on him but that's a free Reagor.

7 minutes ago, lardonastick said:

Same league as above, from a few weeks ago

Antonio Brown, R. Penny, 1.09

for

L. Shenault, 4.02, 2.10

Give me the 1.9.

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23 minutes ago, lardonastick said:

Same league as above, from a few weeks ago

Antonio Brown, R. Penny, 1.09

for

L. Shenault, 4.02, 2.10

Reagor by a long shot in the first one even though he may not amount to much but I'm hoping he does.  I go AB and 1.9 here but it is close.  I could see it if you really believe in Shenault.

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9 hours ago, BigAl21 said:

Akers owners have blindly moved past this Henderson thing but reality might tell us otherwise.I own no shares of Akers and only a lonely share of Henderson but I’m baffled at the crowning of Akers already..

 

9 hours ago, Hankmoody said:

Very surprised at the thoughts on Akers.  I think McVay learned his lesson about eggs and baskets from Gurley and is now a full on RBBC-lover.  I see a huge split here and maybe even a game-to-game role flip if he tries to out-think opponents.  If Akers is getting this kind of love I need to get him on the block. 

I'll take CEH/1.04 over Metcalf in most leagues but it's close and individual team need could sway me.

Split of carries once Akers took over the backfield (last 4 games of regular season and 2 playoff games)

Percent Carries to Akers, Akers, Henderson, Brown

78%, 21, 3, 3

93%, 29, 2, 0

65%, 15, 1, 7

88%, 21, - , 3

76%, 28, -, 9

100%, 18, -, 0

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9 minutes ago, mzkp54 said:

12 team 0.5 PPR SF

Gave: Keenan, Mostert

got: 1.06, Beasley

I'll take Keenan. I'm pretty high on him though.

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54 minutes ago, kutta said:

I'll take Keenan. I'm pretty high on him though.

So, at this stage of his career you like Keenan Allen over Waddle, Smith, ETN, and Williams?   Assuming Harris, Chase, and Pitts are gone.

edited:  didn’t realize it was superflex, that’s even worse for the Keenan Allen side if you can get Harris, Chase, or Pitts.  Why would anyone take a 29 year old WR over those guys in a dynasty league?

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10 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

So, at this stage of his career you like Keenan Allen over Waddle, Smith, ETN, and Williams?   Assuming Harris, Chase, and Pitts are gone.

SF league.  1.06 is likely going to be one of Harris, Chase or Pitts

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