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15 hours ago, Chad Parsons said:

12tm 1QB, split draft so RD3/4 (rookie-vet) are in early Sept.

Antonio Gibson

FOR

DJ Moore, Nelson Agholor, 3.04

 

Gibson seller was super-heavy at RB, very light at WR (Chase and ancillary guys)

I'm not even huge on Gibson but I think this is way light for him.  Especially with a new QB in Car and they just drafted another WR.  Nelly Swag in NE and 3.04 are just filler.

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No, they won't accept

Barkley on this one, it isn't that close

It's a bit much to say the trade should be overturned. It's just a bunch of junk for a bunch of junk.

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27 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

I don't play this format but I've heard you folks talk about it quite a bit and from what I heard during the draft, Parsons was being discussed as the top linebacker coming out, and perhaps of the last few years. LBs score heavily in IDP if I recall, and I thought I saw that Davis was a stud LB as well. Based on the deals I've been seeing in SF (somewhat analogous in that QBs and defensive studs might be viewed similarly?), future 1sts have been flying off the shelves for mid 2nds this year. I've done it a couple times myself for T Marshall and Sermon for example. But doing it for stud LBs seems like a slam dunk. If I understand the emphasis on defensive scoring correctly.....So.....

Yeah, barackd, the scoring isn't quite as much as the offense, but it's very important to have good LBs. The league is tackle-heavy, which in IDP terms means that you get a lot of points for tackles in comparison to big plays like sacks and stuff like that. DLs don't score a ton in our format, and the DB requirements can largely be met by waiver wire adds of corners that get picked on, so if you're willing to put in the work (which I am) then you can skimp in the secondary. Parsons was the overall 12th pick in the draft and I think Davis went 19th. Davis only started one year at Kentucky, but Ron Rivera wanted him, so there's that. Called him a "sponge" in his ability to soak up knowledge.

Andy is correct. It's a slightly unusual use of draft capital, but not without precedent, and from my point of view, for two bona fide starters, I'll take it. Parsons may have to sit for a while, but I'm not winning this year anyway. This was a step toward taking an orphaned LB corps (and it was orphaned at that position) and making it into a hopeful stud factory.

So I'm happy I did it.

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I was torn on how to use my 1.01, so just made this deal:

Gave: 1.01, Van Jefferson, 3.09

Got: 1.02, 2.02

Still torn but I have a long rebuild in front of me with very little to work with other than my picks (also have the 1.06/1.07).

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24 minutes ago, Atomic Punk said:

I was torn on how to use my 1.01, so just made this deal:

Gave: 1.01, Van Jefferson, 3.09

Got: 1.02, 2.02

Still torn but I have a long rebuild in front of me with very little to work with other than my picks (also have the 1.06/1.07).

Good trade for you - decent value at the top of the 2nd round and you aren't missing much deciding between Harris or Chase - if you are hard up for talent.

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3 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Hmm. I'm not so sure about this one. I think you could have had one of those guys with your 2.8 and I think I'd have kept the 1st for one season.

The only time I've used a 1st on a linebacker is for Roquan Smith, and he was a better prospect and that was a poor draft.

Who else was in the board at those spots?

I was at 2.07 and was going to take one of those two with that pick and thought for sure I would get one as the guy in front wouldn't take both guys...ugh!  I think it was a great trade even with the overpay based on what he needed and value there.  

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56 minutes ago, Atomic Punk said:

I was torn on how to use my 1.01, so just made this deal:

Gave: 1.01, Van Jefferson, 3.09

Got: 1.02, 2.02

Still torn but I have a long rebuild in front of me with very little to work with other than my picks (also have the 1.06/1.07).

Love it.

25 minutes ago, Gally said:

I was at 2.07 and was going to take one of those two with that pick and thought for sure I would get one as the guy in front wouldn't take both guys...ugh!  I think it was a great trade even with the overpay based on what he needed and value there.  

I guess I've just had good success finding later round LBs. There are definitely a couple gems not being talk about this year. 

However, there is definitely something to be said for making sure you get YOUR guys. 

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6 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

I guess I've just had good success finding later round LBs. There are definitely a couple gems not being talk about this year. 

However, there is definitely something to be said for making sure you get YOUR guys. 

I agree there are some gems and I will likely get one or two of them as I have some picks stacked up in those later rounds but getting the pedigree when presented is also nice to pair with those late round "finds".  It's a nice balance.  It's why I wouldn't have used both of the picks on LB in rock's spot but I understand why he did (based on his roster).  

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Appreciate the back and forth. That anybody cares to even comment is a cool thing. And I comment not out of justification, but out of information purposes. So I agree with both of you that there are guys available later in the draft that might immediately step into starting roles, but I won't draft again until pick 55 after the last one, which was 23rd, and then I have no others, so a bunch of the guys wouldn't have fallen to me, and my linebacking corps was desolate and couldn't have been improved if I took a receiver or something with those picks. Like my linebackers were tumbleweed on the prairie bad. Now I hope to have turned it into a strength in the upcoming years with all the capital invested.

Anyway, fun stuff. I'm always trying to find value, too, so I'm cognizant that I went really heavy, but I hope that even with the capital investment, I can hit on some of the blue chippers I picked. Nothing is a sure thing and that's the only sure thing about it.

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2 hours ago, Atomic Punk said:

I was torn on how to use my 1.01, so just made this deal:

Gave: 1.01, Van Jefferson, 3.09

Got: 1.02, 2.02

Still torn but I have a long rebuild in front of me with very little to work with other than my picks (also have the 1.06/1.07).

I'm not a huge Van Jefferson guy anyways so I like this move for you.  I like Chase and Harris a lot and sometimes it is nicer to let someone else make the decision for you.

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I tried to do the 1.01 for 1.02 and 2.02 deal but I wasn't sure I wanted to lose out on maybe not getting Chase, who I preferred to Harris. Turns out Harris, Pitts, and Lawrence, even, are going first at a combined eighty percent clip (mostly Harris) so I shouldn't have been worried.

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FFPC:

Miles Sanders, Myles Gaskin for

CeeDee Lamb, Hayden Hurst, Future 3rd

Value / long term side on CeeDee, but positional scarcity definitely gives me concern for really trying to win this season

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15 minutes ago, bombjack said:

FFPC:

Miles Sanders, Myles Gaskin for

CeeDee Lamb, Hayden Hurst, Future 3rd

Value / long term side on CeeDee, but positional scarcity definitely gives me concern for really trying to win this season

That was you? I saw this one in my email. We must be in this league together. I thought it was a great deal for you. I am still not sold on Gaskin being all that and Sanders is maybe overrated. Lamb is a great get. Don't know what it did to your RBs though. 

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2 hours ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

I'm not a huge Van Jefferson guy anyways so I like this move for you.  I like Chase and Harris a lot and sometimes it is nicer to let someone else make the decision for you.

This is exactly where I was at. I have bigger need at RB and figure the new 1.01 owner will be taking Harris. But I can figure something out at RB later and just grab Chase if he ends up going that way. Lots of great options at 2.02.

i like Van but not enough to hold up a deal like this.

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39 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

That was you? I saw this one in my email. We must be in this league together. I thought it was a great deal for you. I am still not sold on Gaskin being all that and Sanders is maybe overrated. Lamb is a great get. Don't know what it did to your RBs though. 

Ha, guess so. It’s my only SF.

Was definitely happy to land Lamb. Didn’t decimate the RBs as still have Barkley but definitely took it from a position of strength to one that will have to get a little scrappy with for RB2.

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21 minutes ago, bombjack said:

Ha, guess so. It’s my only SF.

Was definitely happy to land Lamb. Didn’t decimate the RBs as still have Barkley but definitely took it from a position of strength to one that will have to get a little scrappy with for RB2.

I bought my team in that league this offseason for a discount. I like it a lot better than a couple months ago but it needs help. 

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30 minutes ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

Gave DeeJay Dallas

Got 2022 3rd

Did Chris Carson and Rashaad Penny both retire earlier today and I missed it? I’d still take the 3rd. 

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47 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

Who in the world pays any pick for DeeJay Dallas, let alone a 3rd.  :lmao:

 

24 minutes ago, JoeJoe88 said:

Did Chris Carson and Rashaad Penny both retire earlier today and I missed it? I’d still take the 3rd. 

Guys in my league chat are saying how good he looked and they could easily see him taking the job in the future. I disagree with them completely so thanks for making me feel better!

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1 hour ago, SayWhat? said:

Who in the world pays any pick for DeeJay Dallas, let alone a 3rd.  :lmao:

Hell, Larry Dallas scores more than DeeJay Dallas.

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5 hours ago, rockaction said:

I tried to do the 1.01 for 1.02 and 2.02 deal but I wasn't sure I wanted to lose out on maybe not getting Chase, who I preferred to Harris. Turns out Harris, Pitts, and Lawrence, even, are going first at a combined eighty percent clip (mostly Harris) so I shouldn't have been worried.

I was sitting at 1.03 certain I would get Chase or Pitts and then they went 1 and 2

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1 hour ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

 

Guys in my league chat are saying how good he looked and they could easily see him taking the job in the future. I disagree with them completely so thanks for making me feel better!

I thought he looked like a complete JAG lol 

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7 minutes ago, JoeJoe88 said:

I thought he looked like a complete JAG lol 

Same here. Nice trade to get a third. He probably drafted him in the fifth or sixth or got him at auction or bidding as a UDFA.

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12 Team 0.5 PPR / TE 1.0 PPR 1 QB / 1-3 RB / 2-5 WR / 1-3 TE

Starting Roster had few assets:   AJ Brown & 1.01 pick 

I completed 9 trades since acquiring this team.  Work still needs to be done to be a real contender.... 

Last trade was for Damien Harris & Devante Parker for Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love and 2022 2nd (early). 

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12 team 1Qb, 0.5 ppr league
 

I've got Kamara/Elliot/Gaskin and a few others at RB and my QBs were down to Carr/Newton/Dalton with Brees retiring 

 

traded 

 

Josh Jacobs 

 

for 

 

1.12 where I took Lawrence and a 2022 1st round pick which I’m fairly certain will be a top 4 pick,

 

because this guy is meant to be re-building and has a horrible squad, yet doesn’t seem to fully understand the concept of a rebuild 

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16 hours ago, bombjack said:

FFPC:

Miles Sanders, Myles Gaskin for

CeeDee Lamb, Hayden Hurst, Future 3rd

Value / long term side on CeeDee, but positional scarcity definitely gives me concern for really trying to win this season

This was a good move for value.  Hurst is pretty useless and the 3rd is a little late so this is pretty fair.  If you have depth at RB, I like getting Lamb.  I think Sanders and Gaskin could be a touch overrated but this might not look great this year but in the future you will like the returns on investment for this deal.

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2 hours ago, TartanLion said:

12 team 1Qb, 0.5 ppr league
 

I've got Kamara/Elliot/Gaskin and a few others at RB and my QBs were down to Carr/Newton/Dalton with Brees retiring 

 

traded 

 

Josh Jacobs 

 

for 

 

1.12 where I took Lawrence and a 2022 1st round pick which I’m fairly certain will be a top 4 pick,

 

because this guy is meant to be re-building and has a horrible squad, yet doesn’t seem to fully understand the concept of a rebuild 

This is an amazing trade for you.  I like Jacobs but not sure how you got this much value after they signed Drake and shipped out 3/5 of their O-line.  Good move.

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Not involved

16-team SF PPR

Baker, Justin Jefferson, late 2022 1st

for

Watson, Javonte Williams, Calvin Ridley

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3 hours ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

This is an amazing trade for you.  I like Jacobs but not sure how you got this much value after they signed Drake and shipped out 3/5 of their O-line.  Good move.

Agree.  I shopped Jacobs since January and I was finally able to move him and Fitz/Heinicke for 1.11 (Sermon - I have Mostert) and 4.11 (Rountree).  

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On 5/10/2021 at 7:09 AM, Andy Dufresne said:

Had to catch a falling star...the only RB I had on my roster was Nick Chubb.

Zealots IDP PPR

Gave: 2.10, 2022 1st & 2nd

Got: 1.7 - Javonte Williams 

Kind of switched to win now mode. My core is now Chubb/J Will/Tyreek/Lamb/McLaurin. 

Interesting, yesterday in one of my Zealots PPR leagues 1.11, 3.05 and a 2022 1st and 3rd were traded for 1.07 and Javonte Williams was the pick too. I prefer the deal you made.

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Small trade but in my 12 team PPR best ball SF dynasty league traded A. Miller and 4th rounder for 2.11 pick and drafted St. Brown. Granted Miller could have his best year if Fields is legit but I like my chances with St. Brown better. 

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41 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

Small trade but in my 12 team PPR best ball SF dynasty league traded A. Miller and 4th rounder for 2.11 pick and drafted St. Brown. Granted Miller could have his best year if Fields is legit but I like my chances with St. Brown better. 

Word on the street is that Miller is all but done in Chicago, I can't believe someone gave you a 2nd for that package.  Well done.

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14 team PPR 1.5 TE

This is a bad one (though contracts are in play) but 1 player can be franchised up to 2 years in a row and players can be retained in RFA is they pay the high bid.

1.04

for

Hockenson

Gaskin

2022 1st round pick (1-12 last year so likely 1.01 next year as this team just got worst trading 2 starters in this deal)

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On 5/11/2021 at 6:24 PM, bombjack said:

FFPC:

Miles Sanders, Myles Gaskin for

CeeDee Lamb, Hayden Hurst, Future 3rd

Value / long term side on CeeDee, but positional scarcity definitely gives me concern for really trying to win this season

CEE…DEE…winner is…LAMB

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2 hours ago, Turbo Punch said:

12 Team PPR 1QB  2RB 3WR 1 TE 1Flex

 

Gave D Jones, Gibson, Fournette, A Cooper, Chark, Diontae Johnson, Trautman, pick 1.08

Got J Taylor, Mostert, T Hill, Beasley, Meyers, Andrews

 

That’s quite the trade!

I’ll take Taylor, Hill, and Andrews fairly easily. Taylor and Hill are the best pieces here, and they are both on the same side.

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3 hours ago, Turbo Punch said:

12 Team PPR 1QB  2RB 3WR 1 TE 1Flex

 

Gave D Jones, Gibson, Fournette, A Cooper, Chark, Diontae Johnson, Trautman, pick 1.08

Got J Taylor, Mostert, T Hill, Beasley, Meyers, Andrews

 

Wow. Big trade. Ok here goes.

Gibson + LF = Taylor + Mostert
Cooper+Diontae+Chark+Trautman = Tyreek + Andrews

1.08 (w or w/out DJones) >>>>>>>> Beasley plus Meyers (I don't even know who that is). 

But. I can see it either way. My "math" is fuzzy and silly anyway. Cost of doing business seems about right here if anyone were going to say the 1.08 is free. Taylor/Tyreek/Andrews is a helluva get.  And the other side just got a decent starting lineup if it was needed. I'd be curious to see how the rosters looked before/after but that is one of the biggest/best trades I've seen in awhile. 

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9 hours ago, Turbo Punch said:

12 Team PPR 1QB  2RB 3WR 1 TE 1Flex

 

Gave D Jones, Gibson, Fournette, A Cooper, Chark, Diontae Johnson, Trautman, pick 1.08

Got J Taylor, Mostert, T Hill, Beasley, Meyers, Andrews

 

 

6 hours ago, kutta said:

That’s quite the trade!

I’ll take Taylor, Hill, and Andrews fairly easily. Taylor and Hill are the best pieces here, and they are both on the same side.

I think I agree but it's fairly close. Looks like a trade of 6 good pieces for 3 really good, with some throw-ins. 

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1 hour ago, ghostguy123 said:

FFPC standard

Calvin Ridley and Noah Fant

For

Justin Jefferson and Terrace Marahall

I think I prefer Ridley and fant, but in a year that opinion might be laughable.

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6 hours ago, mzkp54 said:

12 team PPR SF IDP

Gave: 2.02/2.11/‘23 1st

got: 1.06

Who ended up going with these picks?

I'm taking the 6 regardless and assuming that's Pitts, Wilson or chase. But it seems fairly fair.

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A gets D. Swift/Aiyuk

for

B gets Logan Thomas/Cole Beasely

 

Yes, that Logan Thomas, and that Cole Beasely.  This one was appalling to me.  Got accepted, and I emailed the league asking if there would be a vote on this because it seemed...unbalanced at best.  Commissioner sent it to the "trade board" where they voted 6-5 to allow the trade to stand (although the majority apparently acknowledged its not a trade they would make) albeit deciding to make A also send Marlon Mack (B owns Taylor.)  I know bad trades go through quite often, but I can't wrap my head around this one as anything other than collusion, and it's making me question the integrity of a league that I've been in for 7+ years, have won and have a consistent contender.  Might leave in principle after this season.  Overreacting?

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You're not overreacting. I almost never call for a veto but that can't be allowed.

Two of the game's best young players for two old end-of-bench guys? C'mon. 

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