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7 hours ago, Dagwood1985 said:

Received this offer in a 12 team super flex league, TE premium (2ppr):
Wentz and J. Chase
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T Higgins, Mims, H. Henry, Fournette, Gaskin

My team is a contender but needs a RB2 (or two) and would like another startable TE. Other squad needs a QB and the guy loves Chase. Usually, exchanging a dollar for 4 quarters isn't smart in dynasty... but this one certainly addresses specific needs...

I have enough droppable players to fit net gain of 3 guys. 

Reasons to pause, or hit accept?

I wouldn't even consider this trade.  I don't play TE Premium and only SF in redraft leagues but this seems way light to me.  Maybe if getting a better RB.  Mims, Fournette, and Henry do nothing for me.  I like Chase's upside so wouldn't do that deal for just Chase but Kutta is right this belongs in a different forum.

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Zealots Non-ppr IDP 

Gave: Will Fuller

Got: 3.6 (Dyami Brown), 4.6 (Rhamondre Stevenson)

Almost took RS in the third. Not excited about him, but need at least some depth at the position. Would have preferred Gainwell but he went at 4.4.

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Bad one in the same league as above:

Team A gave:

Year 2021 Draft Pick 4.05

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.05

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.09

Year 2021 Draft Pick 6.05

 

 

Team B gave:

Ekeler, Austin LAC RB

Scott, Boston PHI RB

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1 hour ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Bad one in the same league as above:

Team A gave:

Year 2021 Draft Pick 4.05
Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.05
Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.09
Year 2021 Draft Pick 6.05

Team B gave:

Ekeler, Austin LAC RB
Scott, Boston PHI RB

Why? Ekeler kick his dog?

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16 minutes ago, tangfoot said:

PPR, very slight TE premium

Gave James Robinson

Got Noah Fant

Good move...I think Fant is very legit...top 10 quality starter with the current QB situation and if Rodgers goes there he could be light's out...I still think Robinson has value but after the Jags took Etienne I think this is a nice cash out.

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20 minutes ago, tangfoot said:

PPR, very slight TE premium

Gave James Robinson

Got Noah Fant

Love Fant side in a landslide. Used undrafted rookie's good season to flip for a player with pedigree. Writing is already on the wall for Robinson so I am shocked you were able to make this deal post NFL Draft.

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1 hour ago, poye said:

PPR QRWWWTFF 12 teams

A gave : Tee Higgins and 1.10

B gave : Allen Robinson

Tee Higgins should go straight up for Robinson almost. That's a free 1.10, if you ask me. 

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47 minutes ago, woodstock said:

Tee Higgins should go straight up for Robinson almost. That's a free 1.10, if you ask me. 

ARob gets no respect. He turns 28 in August. There's some good evidence out there that WR's don't start to fall off until ~32 on average. He's locked in for 150+ targets and about to be playing with the best QB(s) (yes, even Dalton) of his career as the focal point of the offense. And it's not just opportunity... Arob is really good and has proven it over and over again.

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[Robinson] tied for the most contested catches (21) and posted a 1% drop rate that ranked third among receivers with 100-plus targets. Since joining the Bears in 2018, Robinson ranks fifth in drop rate (2.2%), first in contested catches (61) and sixth in WAR generated. - PFF

Higgins was pretty good last year but he is going to be stuck behind Chase for the next 3 years; he may not even see 2020 level targets again until he finds a new team. Even ignoring that situation, I think Higgins is overvalued in general, and a few tiers below ARob in overall talent. 

I see it as a fair trade if the side getting Arob is contending and the Higgins side is in a rebuild... though tbh, if I was the Arob owner I would probably be reluctant and looking for a different piece. There's a good chance you're trading a top 10 WR for the next 2-3 years for two WR3's that might break out in 2024 if the cards fall in their favor.

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13 minutes ago, Adso said:

ARob gets no respect. He turns 28 in August. There's some good evidence out there that WR's don't start to fall off until ~32 on average. He's locked in for 150+ targets and about to be playing with the best QB(s) (yes, even Dalton) of his career as the focal point of the offense. And it's not just opportunity... Arob is really good and has proven it over and over again.

Higgins was pretty good last year but he is going to be stuck behind Chase for the next 3 years; he may not even see 2020 level targets again until he finds a new team. Even ignoring that situation, I think Higgins is overvalued in general, and a few tiers below ARob in overall talent. 

I see it as a fair trade if the side getting Arob is contending and the Higgins side is in a rebuild... though tbh, if I was the Arob owner I would probably be reluctant and looking for a different piece. There's a good chance you're trading a top 10 WR for the next 2-3 years for two WR3's that might break out in 2024 if the cards fall in their favor.

Some of this is all very true and I've long beaten the ARob bandwagon. Right now, and I just checked, the prices on these two guys and their ADP is about eleven spaces in a startup draft. They've flip flopped since the draft. That's really close. Higgins actually brings more value in trade calcs, according to at least DLF. 

I understand your lament about an undervalued Robinson, though. I've had him in redraft (can't quite seem to pull the trigger in dynasty) for two straight years and he's produced greatly. That said, since I've watched him fairly intently, I can tell you that he's not getting great separation as of right now. I only can imagine what one or two years will do. 

If this seems like I'm dismissing Robinson, I'm not. And I see Higgins's competition on his own team as worrisome. But they're just about close in terms of value, IMO. Not enough to throw in the 1.10, which is giving up a quality player like maybe a Sermon (if you're lucky) or at least a Bateman. If you really want Robinson, I won't fault you, but it seems too like too much for me. That's all. 

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5 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Bad one in the same league as above:

Team A gave:

Year 2021 Draft Pick 4.05

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.05

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.09

Year 2021 Draft Pick 6.05

 

 

Team B gave:

Ekeler, Austin LAC RB

Scott, Boston PHI RB

OK seriously wtf

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9 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Bad one in the same league as above:

Team A gave:

Year 2021 Draft Pick 4.05

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.05

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.09

Year 2021 Draft Pick 6.05

 

 

Team B gave:

Ekeler, Austin LAC RB

Scott, Boston PHI RB

You must be new here, this belongs in the “worst dynasty trade offer” thread. 

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10 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Bad one in the same league as above:

Team A gave:

Year 2021 Draft Pick 4.05

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.05

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.09

Year 2021 Draft Pick 6.05

 

 

Team B gave:

Ekeler, Austin LAC RB

Scott, Boston PHI RB

So basically he traded Ekeler for four players who will be on the waiver wire next year. 

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10 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Bad one in the same league as above:

Team A gave:

Year 2021 Draft Pick 4.05

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.05

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.09

Year 2021 Draft Pick 6.05

 

 

Team B gave:

Ekeler, Austin LAC RB

Scott, Boston PHI RB

Unless you get bonus points for UDFA's that play special teams this is real, real bad...real bad

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11 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Zealots Non-ppr IDP 

Gave: Will Fuller

Got: 3.6 (Dyami Brown), 4.6 (Rhamondre Stevenson)

Almost took RS in the third. Not excited about him, but need at least some depth at the position. Would have preferred Gainwell but he went at 4.4.

I realize Fuller has the 1 G Suspension and Tua as his QB, but I think that is under selling Fuller.   I guess non-PPR makes a difference in league structure.  I like Fuller here .... 

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11 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Bad one in the same league as above:

Team A gave:

Year 2021 Draft Pick 4.05

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.05

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.09

Year 2021 Draft Pick 6.05

 

 

Team B gave:

Ekeler, Austin LAC RB

Scott, Boston PHI RB

That’s crazy.

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17 minutes ago, Birdie048 said:

I realize Fuller has the 1 G Suspension and Tua as his QB, but I think that is under selling Fuller.   I guess non-PPR makes a difference in league structure.  I like Fuller here .... 

It's possible. But was he good last year because of the PEDs? And I think he'll be second fiddle to Waddle. I shopped him all off-season-nobody wanted him for anything of real value. And I'm deep enough at WR to let him go.

And there's a new start two RB requirement this year and while I don't love Stevenson he's at least a startable guy.

And I like Dyami Brown

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1 minute ago, Andy Dufresne said:

I don't love Stevenson he's at least a startable guy.

I took a flyer on him in one league but we don’t even know if he’ll be active on game days at this point let alone startable in fantasy.

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Just now, Dr. Octopus said:

I took a flyer on him in one league but we don’t even know if he’ll be active on game days at this point let alone startable in fantasy.

I mean to say I have a better chance of starting him than Ryquell Armstead, Deejay Dallas, or Ke'Shawn Vaughn.

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11 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Bad one in the same league as above:

Team A gave:

Year 2021 Draft Pick 4.05

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.05

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.09

Year 2021 Draft Pick 6.05

 

 

Team B gave:

Ekeler, Austin LAC RB

Scott, Boston PHI RB

It’s especially crazy because the asset he obtained was awful but also liquid that every other owner could have bettered. It was a lesser, specific player  that team B wanted for Ekeler. Therefore he could have gotten the

4.04, 5.04, 6.04, 7.04 .... or better yet he could have gotten

4.03, 5.03, 6.03, 7.03... or better yet he could have gotten ... so in and so fourth.

I am generally one for not overturning trades but this needs to be overturned IMO

 

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Just now, BigAl21 said:

It’s especially crazy because the asset he obtained was awful but also liquid that every other owner could have bettered. It wasn’t a lesser, yet specific player that team B wanted for Ekeler. Therefore he could have gotten the

4.04, 5.04, 6.04, 7.04 .... or better yet he could have gotten

4.03, 5.03, 6.03, 7.03... or better yet he could have gotten ... so in and so fourth.

I am generally one for not overturning trades but this needs to be overturned IMO

 

 

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1 hour ago, Andy Dufresne said:

It's possible. But was he good last year because of the PEDs? And I think he'll be second fiddle to Waddle. I shopped him all off-season-nobody wanted him for anything of real value. And I'm deep enough at WR to let him go.

And there's a new start two RB requirement this year and while I don't love Stevenson he's at least a startable guy.

And I like Dyami Brown

He's been pretty darn good when on the field most of his career, so I don't think he was good because of the PEDs. But maybe he was still on the field because of the PEDs 

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1 minute ago, jtd13 said:

He's been pretty darn good when on the field most of his career, so I don't think he was good because of the PEDs. But maybe he was still on the field because of the PEDs 

It's not that I dislike him terribly. But I'm starting Lamb/Jefferson/Tee Higgins/Mooney so I could afford to let him go to try and shore up depth.

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12 team, PPR, SF, IDP, TE Premium.

Gave: 2 '22 1sts (both should be late), 2.07

Got: 1.05, '22 3rd.

It's an overpay but I'm happy to get into the top 5.  I think the top 3 QBs, Pitts, and Chase are worth this price and would be able to net it back if I wanted to sell.

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A few more trades in my main league (32 teams, players available twice), full IDP

A gave: Sanders, Miles PHI RB; Gronkowski, Rob TBB TE

B gave up Everett, Gerald SEA TE; his entire 2023 draft (rounds 1-7)

A gave  Hill, Tyreek KCC WR; McKinney, Benardrick MIA LB 

C gave up Ruggs, Henry LVR WR; Year 2021 Draft Pick 4.23; 2X 2022 1sts (one very good team, one middle of the pack)

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2 hours ago, BigAl21 said:

It’s especially crazy because the asset he obtained was awful but also liquid that every other owner could have bettered. It was a lesser, specific player  that team B wanted for Ekeler. Therefore he could have gotten the

4.04, 5.04, 6.04, 7.04 .... or better yet he could have gotten

4.03, 5.03, 6.03, 7.03... or better yet he could have gotten ... so in and so fourth.

I am generally one for not overturning trades but this needs to be overturned IMO

 

I'm actually not sure that return is enough for just Boston Scott. Let's put it this way, if those picks were traded for Scott, people may think it's a small overpay but no one would care much at all.

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14 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Bad one in the same league as above:

Team A gave:

Year 2021 Draft Pick 4.05

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.05

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.09

Year 2021 Draft Pick 6.05

 

 

Team B gave:

Ekeler, Austin LAC RB

Scott, Boston PHI RB

I don't even like Ek all that much and this is just terrible.  Don't see how anyone could be ok with this coming back for a starting RB.  Team B doesn't like winning I guess.

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36 minutes ago, mzkp54 said:

12 team, PPR, SF, IDP, TE Premium.

Gave: 2 '22 1sts (both should be late), 2.07

Got: 1.05, '22 3rd.

It's an overpay but I'm happy to get into the top 5.  I think the top 3 QBs, Pitts, and Chase are worth this price and would be able to net it back if I wanted to sell.

As long as those picks are late, I don't see this as a big overpay.  Seems about right and you are right, getting in to the top 5 this year gives you an extremely talented player.  I think this was a good move if you are a believer which you are.

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1 hour ago, mzkp54 said:

12 team, PPR, SF, IDP, TE Premium.

Gave: 2 '22 1sts (both should be late), 2.07

Got: 1.05, '22 3rd.

It's an overpay but I'm happy to get into the top 5.  I think the top 3 QBs, Pitts, and Chase are worth this price and would be able to net it back if I wanted to sell.

I've kind of always thought that with all else equal a pick around 1.05 was worth a pair of future 1sts.

Given that this class is a pretty good one and, while it can certainly change, right now people are mostly down on the 2022 class, I think this was a solid deal.

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40 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

This is fair enough and I love Adams but I wouldn't be trading for him right now until I knew what A-Rod was doing.

But that may be why the previous owner was letting him go.  In general in a PPR league I don't think I make that trade if I know everything is the norm for Adams (A-Rod in town).  

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22 minutes ago, Gally said:

But that may be why the previous owner was letting him go.  In general in a PPR league I don't think I make that trade if I know everything is the norm for Adams (A-Rod in town).  

Opinions will vary from owner to owner but I think via the consensus Adams/Cook were pretty much equal before the Rodgers rumors.  I think the side getting Adams here is taking on all the short-term risk and not really getting any sweetener on top to do so.

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16 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Bad one in the same league as above:

Team A gave:

Year 2021 Draft Pick 4.05

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.05

Year 2021 Draft Pick 5.09

Year 2021 Draft Pick 6.05

 

 

Team B gave:

Ekeler, Austin LAC RB

Scott, Boston PHI RB

I don't quit over trades. 

But yeah, I'd be out if that stood.

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30 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Opinions will vary from owner to owner but I think via the consensus Adams/Cook were pretty much equal before the Rodgers rumors.  I think the side getting Adams here is taking on all the short-term risk and not really getting any sweetener on top to do so.

In the only league I have Adams, WR is king and it takes a LOT to get a stud. Just as an example, Chase, waddle and Smith all went before najee. I probably wouldn't trade Adams for cook there, but it's close. In leagues where values are more normal, cook is worth more for sure. But it's not a horrible trade.

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2 hours ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

This is fair enough and I love Adams but I wouldn't be trading for him right now until I knew what A-Rod was doing.

This. These two were roughly equivalent two months ago before Aaron starting throwing another tantrum. This has the potential to not end well for the guy getting Adams. I would’ve needed more to part with Dalvin. 

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56 minutes ago, -OZ- said:

In the only league I have Adams, WR is king and it takes a LOT to get a stud. Just as an example, Chase, waddle and Smith all went before najee. I probably wouldn't trade Adams for cook there, but it's close. In leagues where values are more normal, cook is worth more for sure. But it's not a horrible trade.

The guy who traded for Cook is loaded at WR.  He still has AJB, Ridley, Scary Terry, and Lamb.  At RB he had Mixon, Monty, and Edmonds.  I guess he wanted to strengthen his RBs.

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2 hours ago, Gally said:

But that may be why the previous owner was letting him go.  In general in a PPR league I don't think I make that trade if I know everything is the norm for Adams (A-Rod in town).  

Maybe but Dalvin Cook isn't really a discount as RBs are much harder to come by than WRs.  Fair point though as he may not be available at all otherwise.  I have him in my Dynasty league and I wouldn't move him and won't sell him at a discount now.

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Saw this one go down in FFPC league of mine a few hours ago and honesty thought it was a mistake and got accepted in error:

Team A gave: Jonnu Smith

Team B gave: 2022#1 from 9th best team in league last year and OJ Howard

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16 minutes ago, menobrown said:

Saw this one go down in FFPC league of mine a few hours ago and honesty thought it was a mistake and got accepted in error:

Team A gave: Jonnu Smith

Team B gave: 2022#1 from 9th best team in league last year and OJ Howard

Hmmm...I'm skeptical about the evenhandedness of that one. 

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40 minutes ago, menobrown said:

Saw this one go down in FFPC league of mine a few hours ago and honesty thought it was a mistake and got accepted in error:

Team A gave: Jonnu Smith

Team B gave: 2022#1 from 9th best team in league last year and OJ Howard

Ughhhh...

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1 hour ago, menobrown said:

Saw this one go down in FFPC league of mine a few hours ago and honesty thought it was a mistake and got accepted in error:

Team A gave: Jonnu Smith

Team B gave: 2022#1 from 9th best team in league last year and OJ Howard

Every time I see one of these I'm torn between "ugh this is the type of thing I'm glad doesn't happen in my league" and "I need to send out more offers bc you never know what people might accept"

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