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Maybe... tough for me to value him in a 10 team, non-PPR format.Cheap for Hock
Maybe... tough for me to value him in a 10 team, non-PPR format.Cheap for Hock
Well then yes ideally maybe you get a bag of chips back but kudos for that not standing in the way of the guy you want.Opps Yes Fitzpatrick
The format doesn’t matter much because it still comes down to the scarcity of the TE position. It’s a mid to upper TE1 for the 14th pick this year (~ a Michael Carter type) and another Michael Carter type prospect next year. Gimme the 2 for 1 where I get the best player + a roster spotMaybe... tough for me to value him in a 10 team, non-PPR format.
Scarcity at the TE position decreases with fewer teams is what I think he’s alluding to.The format doesn’t matter much because it still comes down to the scarcity of the TE position. It’s a mid to upper TE1 for the 14th pick this year (~ a Michael Carter type) and another Michael Carter type prospect next year. Gimme the 2 for 1 where I get the best player + a roster spot
I hear ya, but 10 teamers are all about studs. Everybody starts studs all over their lineups, because so few players get started in total. Benches are usually shallow too, so the wire is plentiful and roster spots are at a premium. Therefore early-mid seconds have much less value than 12 and 14 teamers. There's a good chance the player they get at #14 overall won't contribute to their starting lineup for more than a few weeks total and will burn a roster spot while they wait and see.Scarcity at the TE position decreases with fewer teams is what I think he’s alluding to.
But I think the same can be said for TE's. There isn't much differentiating them and you will always be able to find one you can plug in for 90% of what Hock will do as the flavor of the month. You can find a Logan Thomas or Tonyan fairly easily each year while getting two dart throws that may turn out to be a Kamara (he was drafted in that range the year he came out) seems like it has quite a bit of value. You won't necessarily hit the dart throws but it is possible and if you can work waivers it seems worth it.I hear ya, but 10 teamers are all about studs. Everybody starts studs all over their lineups, because so few players get started in total. Benches are usually shallow too, so the wire is plentiful and roster spots are at a premium. Therefore early-mid seconds have much less value than 12 and 14 teamers. There's a good chance the player they get at #14 overall won't contribute to their starting lineup for more than a few weeks total and will burn a roster spot while they wait and see.
Tl;dr: Hockenson by a mile
I don't think this is enough for Mixon and if I was trying to win, I would have jumped on this.Not involved, 12 Team PPR, Superflex
Team gave AJ Dillon, 2022 1st, should be late
Team gave Joe Mixon
Team getting Mixon is in win now mode and Mixon is his RB3.
Why would Jamal Williams be in over Swift in such a situation?He is not the guy you wanted to see Detroit go out and sign. It’s going to be a lot of him in the 4th Quarter this year when the Lions are trailing by 17 points.
Wow. That isn't even close to enough for Dobbins. Seems like a terrible trade for the guy getting 1.5.Recent trade for me. I was able to land Dobbins.
1QB
Dynasty PPR
Berserkers gave up Dobbins, J.K. BAL RB; Brown, John LVR WR
Holieway Custom Furs gave up Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.05; Year 2022 Round 2 Draft Pick from Holieway Custom Furs
I'd hope that 22 1st is projected early-ish as this is probably light for 1.3 if that is a back half of the 1st round pick. Trading back isn't a terrible idea but I'd have to get paid more than this to move it. Especially since you are losing a 2nd next year too.In my other dynasty Lg - 1QB, .5 PPR
I am likely 2 good/great players away from competing for a ship. My plan was to try and trade back but not so far back that I couldn’t land what I foresee as an elite talent (likely one of the Bama rookie WRs) whoever falls to me at 1.07.
Trade
Holieway Custom Furs gave up Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.03; Year 2022 Round 2 Draft Pick from Holieway Custom Furs
Back Wall Bangers gave up Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.07; Year 2022 Round 1 Draft Pick from Back Wall Bangers
Why have your dynamic, 22-year old 2nd round pick out there in meaningless situations when you have a guy in Jamaal on a relatively cheap deal that’s just as good of a pass catcher(albeit less dynamic)?Why would Jamal Williams be in over Swift in such a situation?
Maybe I’m not an expert, but I think teams like to try and win games.Why have your dynamic, 22-year old 2nd round pick out there in meaningless situations when you have a guy in Jamaal on a relatively cheap deal that’s just as good of a pass catcher(albeit less dynamic)?
And how many do you think this team is going to win? Maybe I’m underestimating this Lions team. But I’m not expert either.Maybe I’m not an expert, but I think teams like to try and win games.
They probably go 2-15 or or 3-14.And how many do you think this team is going to win? Maybe I’m underestimating this Lions team. But I’m not expert either.
I’m not predicting wins and losses - I’m predicting they’ll try to win. You’re predicting they’ll just give up and pull their good players when they fall behind.And how many do you think this team is going to win? Maybe I’m underestimating this Lions team. But I’m not expert either.
Yeah. I just looked at their schedule, I could maybe see 5 wins as their ceiling. It’s very difficult for running backs to rise above an inefficient and trash offense and finish as an RB1. I think Swift is very talented, but this offense is going to cap him. And Jamaal is going to eat into those targets as well, further capping his PPR ceiling.They probably go 2-15 or or 3-14.
I agree. I have been arguing that on here all off-season. Love his talent though. No thank you on that team with the additions they made. They even drafted a RB. I wouldn't pay top dollar for him in dynasty and with the crazy love he is getting, I doubt I get him on any of my redraft teams either this year.JoeJoe88 said:Yeah. I just looked at their schedule, I could maybe see 5 wins as their ceiling. It’s very difficult for running backs to rise above an inefficient and trash offense and finish as an RB1. I think Swift is very talented, but this offense is going to cap him. And Jamaal is going to eat into those targets as well, further capping his PPR ceiling.
I won't touch your other points, but this guy is a smallish RB in the sixth round who ran a 4.6 at his pro day and tested terribly in other physical tests. They were clearly adding depth there. Jefferson will be lucky if he makes the squad.They even drafted a RB.
Also, I think you're right here. This seems pretty light. John Brown and the 1.5? If that's what it takes, I'm buying all over.Jonesin For Some Football said:Wow. That isn't even close to enough for Dobbins. Seems like a terrible trade for the guy getting 1.5.
Unfortunately I don’t think this is representative of the larger picture, but rather anecdotal. He’s going for much more routinely...Also, I think you're right here. This seems pretty light. John Brown and the 1.5? If that's what it takes, I'm buying all over.
Oh yeah. I tried to acquire him and was rebuffed. I made a good offer, too.Unfortunately I don’t think this is representative of the larger picture, but rather anecdotal. He’s going for much more routinely...
Guessing it goes to show with this I want instant returns for my rookie draft picks I am seeing in my dynasty leagues that some don’t believe Dobbins is going to be a monster going forward.Jonesin For Some Football said:Wow. That isn't even close to enough for Dobbins. Seems like a terrible trade for the guy getting 1.5.
If it was in our league he gave up Adams in the deal to get Dobbins so I am not surprised you were denied.Oh yeah. I tried to acquire him and was rebuffed. I made a good offer, too.
Won’t argue with that logic. If he hits a home run with 1.03 and I whiff with 1.07 it was a mistake.Jonesin For Some Football said:I'd hope that 22 1st is projected early-ish as this is probably light for 1.3 if that is a back half of the 1st round pick. Trading back isn't a terrible idea but I'd have to get paid more than this to move it. Especially since you are losing a 2nd next year too.
I think the Lions drafting the best OL Sewell to plug in at RT for the next X years, with an established LT in Decker says a lot for what the Lions are preparing for.Dr. Octopus said:I’m not predicting wins and losses - I’m predicting they’ll try to win. You’re predicting they’ll just give up and pull their good players when they fall behind.
I agree with what you are saying for the most part. I'm just saying a bunch of little things adds up to big things. Signing J-Will, drafting a guy, brand new coach, terrible line, bringing in old vets for workouts. You are right that Jefferson doesn't hurt his value much and that allowed them to cut Kerryon. Just another thing that adds to the pile for me. I think Swift is fine though and has a good year. Love his talent too. Just don't think his upside is quite as high as a lot of people in here.I won't touch your other points, but this guy is a smallish RB in the sixth round who ran a 4.6 at his pro day and tested terribly in other physical tests. They were clearly adding depth there. Jefferson will be lucky if he makes the squad.
I agree with you on Etienne. I have him ranked 5 personally. 1.07 should get you a good WR with a ton of upside. I don't have a problem with the move at all. Just thought you should have got more but you wouldn't want to drop any further. I'm at 1.5 and 1.8 and not sure what I'm doing with the 2nd pick yet.Won’t argue with that logic. If he hits a home run with 1.03 and I whiff with 1.07 it was a mistake.
Knowing this league/owner he is drafting ETN. I am not as sold on ETN and love what people are getting at 1.07 in 1 QB,non flex, non TE+, .5 PPR leagues. I also like the idea of having 2 early to mid 1st round rookie picks in 2022 where I will be using those picks to land the best RB rookie prospect or BPA(s).
Thanks for input.
All of these are....12tm SF PPC TE Prem
1.11 (Waddle), 22 1st, 22 2nd (both projected later)
FOR
Dalvin Cook
3.03 (Nico Collins)
FOR
Rashaad Penny
2.11 (Amon-Ra St.Brown)
FOR
Darrel Williams, 23 2nd (early-mid)****I might prefer the board at 2.11 over Amon Ra depending on who is there
3.11(Tylan Wallace)
FOR
Latavius Murray
4.05 (Dez Fitzpatrick)
FOR
James Washington
Carson Wentz, 5.11, 6.08, 6.11
FOR
Kyle Trask, 23 1st, 23 3rd (mid with early upside)
I think they want to win the way the 2019 Dolphins wanted to win.Maybe I’m not an expert, but I think teams like to try and win games.
3.8 for Jefferson in startups? I'm seeing him in the 1.08-2.02 rangeDon't understand the comments on this one being one sided.
If you looked at this as ADP in startups it would look like this:
2.10 and 6.10 for 2.8, 3.8 and 8.4.
No was 2.8 and it's SF.3.8 for Jefferson in startups? I'm seeing him in the 1.08-2.02 range
Just curious what type of league you are in and what are your biggest weaknesses on your roster?I agree with you on Etienne. I have him ranked 5 personally. 1.07 should get you a good WR with a ton of upside. I don't have a problem with the move at all. Just thought you should have got more but you wouldn't want to drop any further. I'm at 1.5 and 1.8 and not sure what I'm doing with the 2nd pick yet.
I'm in Oregon so I love Sewell and they did address the line but that doesn't automatically mean they will turn it around immediately with a new coach and Goff at QB. They will improve though yes and got a steal with Sewell as I think Cincy made a huge mistake passing on him even though I love Chase.Not really.
It is a 12 team, 1 QB (6 points for all TDs), .5 PPR, no SF or no TE premium. I don't have any real weaknesses so I'll probably just go best available. My roster is below:Just curious what type of league you are in and what are your biggest weaknesses on your roster?
Their o-line was ranked 13th out of 32 teams LAST season - which is already above average and now they added Sewell.I'm in Oregon so I love Sewell and they did address the line but that doesn't automatically mean they will turn it around immediately with a new coach and Goff at QB. They will improve though yes and got a steal with Sewell as I think Cincy made a huge mistake passing on him even though I love Chase.
I haven’t looked at too many completed rookie drafts, but Gainwell at 11 overall seems like a reach, no? Gotta believe there are several WR’s I’d rather have there.12 team PPR league
Would have used 1.11 to draft WR Marshall. The other team used it to draft RB Gainwell.
- Gave up McKissic, J.D. WAS RB; Gage, Russell ATL WR; Year 2021 Draft Pick 1.11
- Got Chark, D.J. JAC WR; Howard, O.J. TBB TE; Year 2021 Draft Pick 3.03
Sorry MT, but I liked what you traded away a bit better. I see more upside for Gibson & Johnson, especially in Dynasty. You are right tho about Gallup.Traded away
Antonio Gibson
Diontae Johnson
Traded For
Josh Jacobs
Michael Gallup
Damien Harris
Jacobs and Gibson are only a couple months apart in age, both will be 23 at the start of the season and I think Josh Jacobs is the better player.
Diontae Johnson and Gallup are a little further apart in most peoples rankings, but i would not be surprised if Gallup does more this year. I expect Ben to tank and there is no way that offense can support 3 WR's. On the other hand Gallup is going to play for an offense that can support 3 WR's.
They are the same age, they have very similar PFF player ranks, Gallup has had a thousand yard season already, and Gallup has the better QB. Yet, in most dynasty rankings Gallup is 10 spots behind Johnson.
Damien Harris is going to be a waste of a roster spot. I will be afraid to cut him since he will technically be a starter and he will have 3-4 good weeks this year all of which will be while he is on my bench. During a bye week when I am forced to start him he will put up 5 for 20 with 1 catch for 3 yards.
That's about it. This deserved a response, so I hope you don't think you're posting into the ether. They're often tough trades that you post because they're often so even.All of these are....12tm SF PPC TE Prem
1.11 (Waddle), 22 1st, 22 2nd (both projected later)
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Dalvin Cook
Don't play superflex, but hear the picks really are enhanced compared to 1 QB, so it's not an atrocious return for Cook. Not really in my wheelhouse to comment when it comes to first-round picks or quarterback returns or the like. I can comment on three, really.
3.03 (Nico Collins)
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Rashaad Penny
Bring on the rookie!
2.11 (Amon-Ra St.Brown)
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Darrel Williams, 23 2nd (early-mid)
Even. This is essentially deferring a year in value to get a slight bump in a pick. Williams is likely not startable unless CEH goes down.
3.11 (Tylan Wallace)
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Latavius Murray
Give me the guy who has proven it vs. a rookie that had trouble separating at Okla. St. and now is going to B'More?
4.05 (Dez Fitzpatrick)
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James Washington
Somebody still believes, and his per/game and per/usage stats are good, IIRC, but where's his usage going to be now and in the future? You're hoping a guy gets new life on a new team, really, here.
Carson Wentz, 5.11, 6.08, 6.11
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Kyle Trask, 23 1st, 23 3rd (mid with early upside)
Again, no need for me to comment or to pick sides because of the SF element.
I thought it was a reach. Like I said, I would have taken Marshall.I haven’t looked at too many completed rookie drafts, but Gainwell at 11 overall seems like a reach, no? Gotta believe there are several WR’s I’d rather have there.
Btw, I like the side getting Chark there.