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And that's exactly the scenario he faced. He also had Kittle so he was pretty set up and Fant was a luxury roster spot. We keep 6 offensive players and this happened at the deadline. It's not uncommon to work a deal at this point and get a guy that would definitely draft higher in our player pool in a couple weeks. I got Gaskin for a 4th and I haze zero doubt he would be a first rounder in our format based on rookies and players sent back to the player pool.
I don’t hate it if the team getting the picks is in full on rebuild mode and all they have is cook. Four first round picks is not bad value, even if only one will be on the top half. It might be slightly light, but hard to imagine another team with more picks to give.
100% agree. I was just responding to the comment that only one of them was in the top half. I think they got great value for a cook.
There have been some real head-scratching trades in this league (going into 2nd season). I've previously posted some of the other trades that have been accepted (Gibson + 1st for Roethlisberger, Claypool; CMC, Rodgers, 1.10 for Jacobs, 1.06, 1.12).
I think Lamb is going to be a stud this season. I'll take every share I can get. I would gladly give Henderson and Golloday to get him and maybe a little more.
Normally I'd be jumping up and down on the Chubb side, then I think, "This is fantasy and Kareem Hunt is there while nobody seems to be supplanting Monty in any way." So I'm not sure the reduction in picks and giving up a RB who just finished top twelve easily is so great. Once you put names with picks, that's Javonte Williams vs. one of the back of the first-round receivers per ADP. And Chubb is 26 this year. I know he's the best pure runner in football, but I think he might have hit his ceiling last year.
I think this is pretty fair. When is your rookie draft? Knowing what those picks became matters. At 1.5 in SF that could be Harris or Chase or one of the top QBs and Monty did finish as a top 5 RB last year plus is younger. I don't mind this deal but I'm sure a lot of people will be on the Chubb side.
Damn, I miss that it's Superflex every time I read one of those. Okay, so there's Lawrence, Lance, Fields, and then Chase or Harris or Pitts if TE premium. That trade looks even more suspect right now. The 1.05 is a hot commodity.
Rookie draft starts Sunday. I’m not a big believer in Monty’s talent in a vacuum or that Nagy won’t mess around with more of a committee with the improved Rb room this year. I agree it’s fair and I was on the fence about offering it. The 1.05 is very valuable. I have a big drop after 9 so I’ll likely miss that tier. Either way I settled on the upgrade to Chubb being worth it that risk.
Suspect is harsh, I suppose, and not the word I was looking for. I meant that the trade probably was not quite as good as I originally thought, which I didn't think was a slam dunk anyway. I liked the Monty side.
Good with criticism! Appreciate the feedback. I expect Harris to be gone by 5. Tlaw certainly will and I’d guess Lance too.
I would go with the Monty side as that top 5 pick is gold but I can see talking yourself in to it for Chubb. I would like it a lot more if he had a normal backup instead of Hunt there. I don't think it is a terrible trade but Chubb has to be a monster for it to pay off. A lot of people are down on Monty though so I understand where you are coming from.
I'm on the Chubb side.
You are right on Monty but the same could be said for Jonathan Taylor with injuries, easy schedule, and Mack coming back and he is going in the 1st round in redraft leagues. I don't think there is any way that Monty is a top 5 RB again but I would say 10-14 is about right. I don't see Chubb as a top 5 RB with Hunt there so I'll take the slight downgrade in that 2nd-3rd tier to get a top 5 pick in SF personally. I did say I thought it was fair and mostly a matter of preference. Monty is also 1.5 years younger with less miles. I like Chubb over Monty for sure but I think the pick more than makes the difference. For.I'm on the Chubb side.
Few seem to want to acknowledge this, but Monty was a middling RB until the schedule softened up and the other RBs got hurt. Now they've brought in a more talented backup who should serve as a breather back, and Cohen is reportedly back healthy, I see Monty disappointing at his ADP if folks are drafting him thinking he's going to be a top 5 back.
Meanwhile, yes Chubb's ceiling is capped by Hunt, but Chubb's floor has been rock solid in that same circumstance. You can set your watch by Chubb's productivity. Sure, he got hurt last year - then came back just as strong. And who's to say it won't be Hunt getting hurt this year? It's a dangerous sport. Anything can happen.
But assuming good health for all players mentioned herein, Chubb is the most talented back in the bunch, so that's the side of the deal I'd want to be on.
The picks are the steepest price here, no argument there. Going from top 5 to 11 is a big drop. But 2021 is a pretty deep draft. Sermon went 1.11 in my rookie draft, for example.
I'm probably in the minority here, but if I'm in win-now, I take what I see as a massive upgrade from Monty to Chubb. I think Monty is a borderline bust this year given the expectations I keep seeing from people. He won't be terrible, but I don't see a top 12 RB. Yes, I know, hot take.
Funny you should mention that… I’m a little bit lower on Taylor than most seem to be as well. If I get a wide receiver at the end of the first, I’ll be thrilled to get Taylor in the early second… But if Taylor‘s going anywhere between five and 11, I’m out. If I’m at 12, he’s an excellent pick to pair with a top 5 WR.
I don't disagree with that at all. I don't have a problem taking him a little higher and it will depend on my league as I do see him as a top 10 RB but I don't see him with top 5 upside as a lot of people out there are. Anyone taking him between 5 and like 8 or 9 is too high for my blood.
Kicking myself as I was an inch away from offering something very similar, but didn’t want to insult the owners.
I’ll take Mooney and the 2nd. I’m not confident about Akers being able to return to form, and even if he does get close back to what he once was, the landscape for rbs changes so fast in this league. And I’m a big fan of Mooney. I think by this time next year he’ll be a nice dynasty commodity with Fields.
If you’re deep at running back and in win-now mode, I like it. You might get two very serviceable years out of Adam Thielen.
Sorry to hear about the F-in-L - family always comes first though - Mimms < family issues.
I sniffed around the Cook owner a while back in my league & he was priced out of my comfort zone. I believe I offered 2 firsts, a 2nd + Hopkins or Evans & it was rejected with no counter, so…
I’m an owner, actually. Even as a Vike fan I’d strongly consider any offer like that.I sniffed around the Cook owner a while back in my league & he was priced out of my comfort zone. I believe I offered 2 firsts, a 2nd + Hopkins or Evans & it was rejected with no counter, so…
I feel like Cook owners are all-in on him. Hate to say this but maybe wait until he’s injured again & fire off a shot.
What did the 1sts look like?I sniffed around the Cook owner a while back in my league & he was priced out of my comfort zone. I believe I offered 2 firsts, a 2nd + Hopkins or Evans & it was rejected with no counter, so…
I feel like Cook owners are all-in on him. Hate to say this but maybe wait until he’s injured again & fire off a shot.
Hard to say - it’s based on record, and Cook would have improved me, while closing one of those wide receivers likely would have hurt me almost as much.
I like that trade for you, so long as you had the depth for it.
Maybe Moore - I’m just sayin. Cook is easily the best asset in the deal. He didn’t get Cookd cheap, but I don’t really see it as an overpay either.
