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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I would be taking an offer for Akers if someone gave me a real offer probably but not sure I trust Mooney enough for this but Miller getting traded helps. I'd take the swing on Akers for this probably.Hot Sauce Guy said:
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I try to stay away from Belitricks and his NE RBs but this seems like a really fair trade depending on team needs. I'm sure it was good both ways and those are the best trades.mzkp54 said:
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I posted a last week that someone in my league gave up 4 future 1sts for him (this year's draft was already passed). 1 of those 1st is projected top 6 and the other 3 probably end up being playoff teams. It was 2 in 2022 and 2 in 2023.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I see that as getting Cook for cheap to me. To be fair, I'm not high on Moore really personally. I do like Johnson. Jarwin and Hines aren't real assets to me. Can be played at times but they will never help carry a team at all. Cook could be a league winner and is one of the best assets in fantasy football. This looks like a lot on its face but this is nothing to give up for a player like Cook.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Kinda agree - Dionte & Moore are young and upside guys. You’re not paying for what they are, you’re paying for what they could become. Hines is flex-worthy, but less so in light of the QB issue. Jarwin is likely in a TEBC with Schultz now so agree on that.
So yeah, no way is it an overlay, but he did give a couple upside WRs.
Agree that it’s affordable, how’s that?
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I agree with that just not the type of business I try to conduct with my super-studs. I love trading fringe pieces for studs so doens't matter how many they are.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I feel the same. I would always rather be the one getting the best player in the deal.
But sometimes you need to diversify. In the above deal we're discussing, I don't think it's quite enough for Cook.
But recently I dealt Mahomes for a sizable package as I'm in a rebuild and needed to diversify that value, so I totally get why the Cook owner might make this trade. I just don't think he got as much value for him as he could have.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I think that is smart of you. Mahomes value is so high that you can get a really good return and it isn't extremely hard to replace his value. What did you get for him if you don't mind me asking?
kutta
Footballguy
I hate to give up on Akers, but I thought this was a pretty good exit and I needed a WR. I still have Henry, Gibson, Gaskin, DJ, and Penny at RB
12 team PPR, only required to start 1 RB along with 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex
Gave: D. Henderson, Akers
Got: Sutton, 2022 2nd (mid), 2023 1st (mid)
12 team PPR, only required to start 1 RB along with 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex
Gave: D. Henderson, Akers
Got: Sutton, 2022 2nd (mid), 2023 1st (mid)
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
With those starting requirements, I think this is a good return. Due to having Henderson, I might have held on to both and had the starter there no matter what but RBs never come back from Achilles injuries like this so I'd be selling.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Z. Wilson, Higgins, CEH, 2022 1st & 2023 1st.
ETA - it's SF, so QB value is higher.
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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
SF makes much more sense. I do like this value for you. Getting basically 5 1sts from the last 2 drafts n next 2 combined is a good return. I'm not high on Wilson personally as I am a Jets hater but Wilson has upside if they can figure it out.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
That's hard to say no to. I wouldn't even think about paying that. But I might take that if I owned Mahomes in SF.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This was the counter. I'd asked for Metcalf, not Higgins. I probably should have asked for one more piece after the downgrade, but I wanted to get it done so I accepted as written. I then flipped the 2023 1st for Pittman, a player I'm very high on.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I really liked Higgins but some of that shine wore off when they took Chase over Sewell. I don't have any problem with that trade. Good return. That might be a bit high on Pittman but I do like his upside. The Wentz injury could hurt him to start this year though.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
On the contrary - all reporting suggests that the shine should be fading on Chase & that it's looking like a 1A/1B situation, where Chase was drafted by many with the thought that he would be the clear WR1. Higgin's role is unlikely to change, but it might cap his upside a little.
As for Pittman, yeah obviously. But it is a 2023 1st, not 2022. And I made that deal 3-4 weeks ago, so apparently my magic 8-ball was on the fritz. I definitely should have known that a foot injury Wentz was nursing since high school would finally give out on him, requiring surgery.
c'mon, son.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
You might want to re-visit the J. Chase thread if you think the shine is fading on Chase.On the contrary - all reporting suggests that the shine should be fading on Chase & that it's looking like a 1A/1B situation, where Chase was drafted by many with the thought that he would be the clear WR1. Higgin's role is unlikely to change, but it might cap his upside a little.
As for Pittman, yeah obviously. But it is a 2023 1st, not 2022. And I made that deal 3-4 weeks ago, so apparently my magic 8-ball was on the fritz. I definitely should have known that a foot injury Wentz was nursing since high school would finally give out on him, requiring surgery.
c'mon, son.
It is the offseason, what are you really getting from believing the hype reports on players you own?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I was only listening to what the HC had to say about it.
They're likely to have about equal production. I am fine with the value of Higgins right now.
I'm not "believing the hype reports on players I own", but thanks for projecting that. I've been following the reports of all the players. And reportedly it's a 1A/1B situation according to the team these guys play on. Perhaps you're looking in a mirror?
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smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Your exact quote was from ALL REPORTING. You haven't stumbled in the Chase thread if you think ALL REPORTING leads to the conclusion that the shine is fading on Chase.
I projected on that because your opinion shifts when you own players.
woodstock
Footballguy
You're not gonna like the new news, then.
Trade:
Team A gets: Ronald Jones
Team B gets: Chase Edmonds, mid-3rd
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smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I will include the links:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/05/25/joe-burrow-jamarr-chase-will-bring-explosiveness-to-our-offense/
https://lsutigerswire.usatoday.com/2021/05/24/watch-the-joe-burrow-jamarr-chase-connection/
https://bengalswire.usatoday.com/2021/05/25/joe-burrow-jamarr-chase-extra-work-first-day-bengals-otas/
https://www.fantasypros.com/2021/06/how-good-can-jamarr-chase-be-2021-fantasy-football/
https://lsutigerswire.usatoday.com/2021/05/28/fantasy-football-jamarr-chase-has-a-high-ceiling/
https://twitter.com/lndspatterson/status/1399782344588992514?s=21
https://lsutigerswire.usatoday.com/2021/06/07/jamarr-chase-discusses-similarities-between-lsu-and-bengals-offenses/?utm_source=FOX_Sports
https://bengalswire.usatoday.com/2021/06/04/jamarr-chase-bengals-move-wrs-around-create-mismatches/
https://www.nfl.com/news/joe-burrow-ja-marr-chase-connection-right-back-to-where-it-was-at-lsu
https://www.cincyjungle.com/2021/7/8/22530160/bengals-wide-receiver-jamarr-chase-special-talent-is-back-together-with-joe-burrow
https://www.thefantasyfootballers.com/articles/the-path-to-a-wr1-fantasy-football-season-jamarr-chase/
https://www.espn.com/blog/cincinnati-bengals/post/_/id/33215/technician-jamarr-chase-could-be-playmaker-bengals-joe-burrow-need
https://www.nfl.com/videos/must-see-ja-marr-chase-makes-unreal-one-handed-grab-at-bengals-camp
These articles posted from May through July of this year don't seem to have the shine fading on Chase. The 4th article going as far as saying he could be THE WR1 in dynasty.
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woodstock
Footballguy
Good. I have Chase. I'd love to see overall WR1 someday. Someday, we'll be together...
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Sounds a lot like you're the one believing the preseason hype on a player you own.
"could" is doing some seriously heavy lifting in your entire post.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
lol
It's what, 3 days of camp? I'm sure there's going to be plenty of production for both Chase & Higgins this year and beyond.
All I mean by "shine fading" (and I was quite explicit in my original post) is that folks took Chase in rookie drafts with a clear expectation that he'd be the WR1 in Cinci.
And the coach & IIRC OC both initially said they saw Higgins in that role & later said it would be a 1A/1B situation.
It wasn't intended to insult Chase in the slightest - just that Higgins value from last year is likely consistent, though those same coaches said clearly that they expected more out of him this year.
I'm not crapping on Chase, simply saying concerns about Higgins for the presence of Chase seem unfounded. Someone decided to do some interpretations of that.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
At this point you are just defending a position already proven false, but you do you. Your post said all reporting is saying the shine is fading on Chase. I pointed these articles out to show you that is not the case. You are now saying I am believing all these articles. Nice projection and flip to different argument.Sounds a lot like you're the one believing the preseason hype on a player you own.
"could" is doing some seriously heavy lifting in your entire post.
Take a step back. Read these posts. Clearly NOT ALL REPORTING is leading to the shine fading on Chase.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Read my original post instead. You're making a mountain out of a molehill here.
Chase will be fine. Higgins will be fine. They'll both be fine.
The coach & OC both said they expected Higgins to have increased production. My comment about Chase was not to suggest he wouldn't be good, merely that he wasn't going to ruin Higgins value.
Context matters. You read one part of my post & ignored the rest.
I'm done with this.
woodstock
Footballguy
My post had nothing to do with you, HSG. It had nothing to do with you and smbkrypt24. It had everything to do with Chase, shine, and WR1 status, baby. WR1 status sure is a groovy thing to hear projected in dynasty with all the talent at WR.lol
It's what, 3 days of camp? I'm sure there's going to be plenty of production for both Chase & Higgins this year and beyond.
All I mean by "shine fading" (and I was quite explicit in my original post) is that folks took Chase in rookie drafts with a clear expectation that he'd be the WR1 in Cinci.
And the coach & IIRC OC both initially said they saw Higgins in that role & later said it would be a 1A/1B situation.
It wasn't intended to insult Chase in the slightest - just that Higgins value from last year is likely consistent, though those same coaches said clearly that they expected more out of him this year.
I'm not crapping on Chase, simply saying concerns about Higgins for the presence of Chase seem unfounded. Someone decided to do some interpretations of that.
Love me some Higgins, too. I think DAL and CIN are really over-the-top as far as receiver talent goes. Some good players like Auden Tate will barely see the field, barring injury. That's loaded.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Everyone this time of year's role is expected to be bigger and better than ever. I pointed out the articles showing/helping you to see the shine on Chase is not fading. There are many hype articles this time of year.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And AGAIN, for the 4th time, I did not say that to mean Chase was not going to be productive.
Only that BASED ON THE COACH'S COMMENTS, they would be in more of a 1A/1B situation And I said it in response to someone commenting on my acquisition of Higgins, as though Chase getting drafted killed his value.
You seem to have been triggered by that one turn of phrase. Take a deep breath. it's just FF.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Oh, I don't blame you. I was just giving my take on Pittman. I think it was a good move. I still don't think Higgins has near the top end upside. Especially in the future. I don't hate on him at all, just liked what I saw last year and was much higher on him prior to the draft and wanted them to take Sewell.On the contrary - all reporting suggests that the shine should be fading on Chase & that it's looking like a 1A/1B situation, where Chase was drafted by many with the thought that he would be the clear WR1. Higgin's role is unlikely to change, but it might cap his upside a little.
As for Pittman, yeah obviously. But it is a 2023 1st, not 2022. And I made that deal 3-4 weeks ago, so apparently my magic 8-ball was on the fritz. I definitely should have known that a foot injury Wentz was nursing since high school would finally give out on him, requiring surgery.
c'mon, son.
I will also say that I expect Higgins to be about as good as he was last year which is pretty decent. I don't think he has much less value at all. Just not as much value as I had him prior to the Chase selection. That team is going to chuck it so there will be balls to go around.
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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
This is just terrible. I don't play in 2 QB leagues but Wilson is a Jet and hasn't proved anything. To give up that seems ridiculous.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And if they started 3 QBs.
And if QB's who's name started with Z got 7 point TDs instead of 6.
Wilson is easily worth a pair of 1st round picks in a 16-team 2QB league. Dobbins/Pittman is perfectly fair, those other three guys are really just wastes of roster space anyway.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I agree. And I think he'll be at least as good as last season, and likely quite a bit better if Burrow stays healthy all season. While he was excellent his 1st year, I see that as Higgins' floor, even with the presence of Chase.
And if Chase is the "'WR1" on paper, that should mean that Higgins draws weaker coverage. Even better for Higgins.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, that's probably true. I've never played that format, so I don't really know enough to fairly judge that deal for a 16 tea, league.
I just think it's pretty bad for the Wilson owner in a 12-team, even SF. And I am high on Wilson.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
woodstock
Footballguy
Maybe I'm way off, but I think you need to know the guy's situation before judging him in a 2QB league. I don't think those leagues lend themselves to vacuum criticizing like we have to do here.
He could be fading Dobbins heavily and Pittman currently has Eason throwing to him. In addition, the dude traded Tyrod Taylor, who might have been his second QB if people are hoarding, and then you've got the inklings of reasons to do the deal.
That's my two cents on the matter.
He could be fading Dobbins heavily and Pittman currently has Eason throwing to him. In addition, the dude traded Tyrod Taylor, who might have been his second QB if people are hoarding, and then you've got the inklings of reasons to do the deal.
That's my two cents on the matter.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think I’d roll the dice with Edmonds, but not sure this is an impactful trade either way.
woodstock
Footballguy
Yeah, Team A (me) was thinking of how good Jones looked last year running the ball and compared him to Edmonds, who really hasn't ever besides the Giants game back two years ago in the driving rain against a hapless defense. He was also thinking about Chase Edmonds sounding weird all off-season about his role and wondering if even he thinks he's up for the role. I read little bits from his interviews, coach staying mum, all that, as not a good sign for Edmonds.
But that's not why I did it. Certainly wouldn't base it off of that. I did it because Jones is two years younger, is a free agent after this year, and runs well enough to be named to Doug Farrar's top ten backs in the league, even if he came it at number eleven on the list (Farrar must be doing a Spinal Tap version of his list of ten backs - but this one goes to eleven!). I liked how he ran and remember him breaking off tough runs for plenty of yardage.
This is half PPR, so that's also a concern. Pass catching is not Jones's strength, and he graded out at 27% (yes, 27%) in PFF's passing grade. Perhaps I was a little hasty with this deal, but I wanted Jones over Edmonds as I like to bet on talent, too, though situation is certainly a concern in dynasty at RB. Just is. Has to be factored in. They have such short shelf lives.
So that's that. That was the deal. I don't have many backs, so it does impact a lot, though.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Fair deal. I have both players on my roster & while I value RoJo higher for long-term (at some point I believe he will have that backfield to himself, or as an early down back with a 3rd down guy in tow) I think Chase has the higher weekly floor for 2021.
The 3rd rounder isn't great - I'd think Chase + a 2nd would be better, but it's decent value.
Depends where my team is at. For 2021 I consider Chase a Flex back/ RB3 roster type & RoJo to be a weekly dart throw with RB2 upside, but Flex (or worse) value as his floor.
So if the team getting RoJo has a long-term view in mind, it's a nice acquisition. If team getting RoJo is in win-now, probably better to keep Chase & hope he finally has the workload to become a dependable RB2/Flex.
