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Team A getting Rojo is at least a year away, which is why he did the deal. That would be me, too. I’m Team A. It’s a deal with the future in mind. The 3rd was thrown in for no-haggle purposes, and the trade wasn’t countered, which is good, because I wouldn’t have paid a two in addition. That would have broken the deal, actually.
You aren't wrong but when something gets posted here all we can do is give our two cents with the information we have. On its face, that looks like a terrible deal. I'm not a huge Wilson believer. I don't have a problem giving that up for a QB but a Jets QB, that hasn't played a game yet isn't that QB.woodstock said:
Chase is the starter there now most likely and Conner can't really stay healthy so I'd go that way even though RoJo is fine and this could just be a matter of preference. They get the pick too though so I'd lean towards Edmonds but fair enough.woodstock said:
I will say for the future play, this was a good trade. If trying to win this year, Edmonds probably is the play. All your takes on the 2 players I agree with though.woodstock said:
Absolutely. Very true. We go with the information we have. I'm just trying to see both sides, I guess. Nobody was wrong in their assessment. Dobbins and Pittman are a steep price for Wilson.
Thanks. I'm waking up this morning and not regretting it, so that's a thing. A little more concerned about having fun via winning some games this year, though I know realistically I'm definitely a year away. Two guys have really strong rosters in our league. One has McCaffrey and Barkley and now Henderson to go with Diggs, the other has Henry, Kamara, Ridley, Tyreek Hill, David Montgomery, and Chase Claypool. One of the guys will not answer correspondence about trades and just stands pat unless he needs something (which is truly lame of a league-mate). But the rosters are 51 deep during regular and 60 during the off-season, so it's very deep and competitive. I'm swimming upstream right now. That's realistically too much for me to beat for even two years.
Those are huge rosters. Dang. I thought ours was big at 22, 2 IR, and 15 Taxi (2 years for rookies only). That 2nd roster you mentioned is way stacked. Not regretting it is a big thing. Buyer's remorse is real.
My dynasty is 30, 35 in the offseason.
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Like I asked in the comment above, what if people hoard? Our 1 QB league doesn't have QBs available at 51 per roster. We've debated this before, I think, to no satisfactory answer. Wilson might be that valuable, though it is a stretch. Jarwin in a 2TE premium swings the deal on the fulcrum, too.
But they are in these type of leagues. Typically there are no starters available and most of the backups are also off the board. The draft is really the only way to get a QB and highly touted draft picks (yes even Jets QB's) are gold at this stage of the season.
Jarwin vs Hurst is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Nobody wants to rely on either one of them in any format, including 5TE.
It depends on the scoring format, but my large leagues tend to treat QBs far more reasonably than this trade. YMMV.
True. See my edit above. I think you guys are right and that the trade was bad. I'm just trying to see it another way. It's very difficult.
Gimme the 1st & Lock maybe?
I gave Cook and a 2nd for Lamb. Contracts involved so the 2nd was to even that out and I see this as an even-up trade of players.
Thank you. Have to think contracts play into value quite a bit, since most rankings have Cook top 5 and Lamb in the teens.
I think this must be an equitable trade because I would have a difficult time giving up either side of those packages in a deal. I think the Picks have me leaning more Chubb, but that would hurt either way to part with such players!
Is a “Jets QB” some mythical beast? You’ve framed it that way a few times now. You do realize it’s a whole new coaching staff and Wilson is an individual that has nothing to do with Sam Darnold or Geno Smith right?
If Wentz was healthy I'd go with him over Lock who I'm not sure is even a starting QB and Julio but this is really close and probably take the 1st with Wentz' injury.
I get that and I do like Saleh personally but I have also watched too many of the Sam Darnold, Geno, Sanchez, McCown, the corpse of Favre, Pennington, Testaverde, and others. That is over 20 years and it doesn't get much better before that. Bad organizations and the NY pressure means something and until I see something prove otherwise, I'll stay on this side of this argument personally.
There’s a lot wrong in this post but I won’t bog down this topic with it.
I will say that I could miss out on a player due to that thinking but I'm ok with that. If Wilson really is special but I'd be willing to bet that it is more likely he is the next Geno Smith or Sam Darnold than he is A-Rod on that team.
I couldn’t disagree more. Everything I’ve seen of Wilson says he should be a terrific QB, and I know his new coaching staff is top notch.
I don't fault you for doing so if he passes your eye test. I'm a Niner fan so I like the coaching staff. I just don't like going against history personally. It has done me pretty well in fantasy to avoid Jets QBs, Lions RBs, and others that fall in that category. He could be the outlier but I'd much rather take the chance on another QB if given the choice. Doesn't mean I wouldn't take him in the right trade but definitely not with an overpay. Wouldn't even consider it.
I’m also a Niner fan, so obviously I love his HC & OC.
This is where you lost me. There is literally no history to go against. It’s a rookie QB with a 1st time HC & a very good OC. And Saleh is a really, really good coach.
again, how would a rookie QB taken by a brand new coaching staff be an outlier? That seems odd to me.
And I said that I could miss out on a player by following that but has worked out in my favor avoiding Jets QBs in my 15 years of fantasy football. A rookie QB that killed it would still be an outlier for the Jets. Crap even their HOF QB in Namath threw way more INTs than TDs.
I'd take Lawrence for sure. His reward is worth the risk. I wouldn't have drafted Allen when he came out no but never saw him in college. I'd trade for him now and actually had him on a few redraft teams last year.
It is just more history with Jets QBs. Obviously it isn't a for sure but just more of the same. Only time will tell who is right but I feel people are too high on Wilson.
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Just a quick side question, do you think this injury will linger and make Wentz more injury prone, not as good of a player? Does his overall injury problems scare you off now that he got hurt again?
He does have the arm you like and opportunity. I'm not sold on that receiving core. I like Lance way better even if he doesn't start this year. I could see taking him over Fields though personally.
I think things could start to become mental for him. Especially if the Colts sign Rivers back or trade for Foles or another vet. Plus, last time we saw Wentz, he was terrible. Granted I expect more from him on the Colts. I just think that trade was so close that the injury leaned it just the other way. I don't have a problem with either side especially for the guy that has won back-to-back chips.
No. Its all for fun as nobody is right or wrong right now and we really won't know for a few years as can't completely judge him off this year anyways.
Other historical avoids to add to your list: Bears QBs, Browns QBs, Ravens WRs, Bucs RBs
Jackson has killed it for the Ravens. Doug Martin was good for the Bucs. Brunell and Bortles had good seasons for the Jags, I'm pretty sure Cutler was even fantasy relevant at times for the Bears.
