Hmm...I'll take a stab at that:
Larry Fitzgerald and Gio Bernard for picks? If I'm right I take the picks.
Um...hmm...someone got a pick they used on Ken Dixon in return for I have no idea...
Patrick Peterson for 1.15? Depends if it's a corner-required league.
GO = Greg Olsen for 1.09
Which is why I said...Can't make a blanket statement liked that imo. This is extremely league dependent. There are defenses on the wire in some leagues. In others they're all owned and very expensive due to roster spots, scoring system, league size, people hoarding them while they rebuild, the types of owners - you name it.
None of the scenarios you mentioned make it any less of a dumb move. A future second is a valuable commodity. A team defense is made for streaming in dynasty. Spending premium picks on top defenses is a waste of resources.No defensive team or kicker is worth any future second round pick in traditional scoring.
Wouldn't every team have only one by definition then?32 team league?
Fitz and Barnidge for those picks? Come on I can't move Fitz for a one and Barnidge no better then a 3 right now.LF and GB for two late firsts and two late 3rds
GO for 1.09 otc took KD
PP (IDP) for 1.15
Now I need an aspirin.LF and GB for two late firsts and two late 3rds
GO for 1.09 otc took KD
PP (IDP) for 1.15
not necessarily - unless you artificially limit the option of hoarding.Hawkeye Hellraiser said:Wouldn't every team have only one by definition then?FUBAR said:32 team league?
I tend to be a "best player in the deal" guy so Julio and Dez are nice acquisitions.menobrown said:Same team just pulled these trades past two days in a FFPC league:
Gave: Cooks and 2017#1, not his own, middling teams pick but not one I see as contender so my best guess is between 1-8.
Got: Dez Bryant
Gave: Allen Robinson, Ladarius Green, Langford
Got: Julio
Some context. Team getting Julio and Dez has struggled a bit the first two years in the league, did not draft team in startup with this idea but when team got off to a bad start they reversed course and have been stockpiling talent and picks. Currently sitting on a load of both talent and picks in this draft(which have already been made) and 2017 draft where they still have three 2017#1's(from mostly bad teams) and four 2017#2's. It's exactly the kind of team that should do a 3 for one or slight overpays to get the best guy in a deal and to me that's what they did. As I told the owner who got Dez and Julio, love it for you, not so much the rest of us.
The commanding price Zeke has been fetching I'm kind of surprised the picks aren't on the other side. This I like for both teams and is more reasonable.One of the best deals for both teams I've seen lately
Zeke, late 1st and 3rd (probably 1.14-1.16) for AJ Green
We start 1-2 rb and 3-5 wr so that probably makes a difference.The commanding price Zeke has been fetching I'm kind of surprised the picks aren't on the other side. This I like for both teams and is more reasonable.
Rebuilder for both12 team, ppr, start qrrwwtfkd, 20 man roster + 10 man taxi, bestball scoring
Team A (rebuilding) gives: Forte, Jordy
Team B (competing) gives: 17 first, 17 second
Team A (rebuilding) gives: Brady, Team B's 17 second
Team C (competing, but with only Eli and Fitz at QB) gives: Duke Johnson
Interesting.Big one to kick off our rookie draft today. No wonder my offer for 1.01 was turned down.
14-team PPR (1/2/3/1/, 3 flex)
1.01, Josh Gordon
for
Sammy Watkins, Donte Moncrief
I get that he is rebuilding, but moving Brady, Forte, and Jordy to net a 2017 1st and Duke Johnson seems like a pretty small return.12 team, ppr, start qrrwwtfkd, 20 man roster + 10 man taxi, bestball scoring
Team A (rebuilding) gives: Forte, Jordy
Team B (competing) gives: 17 first, 17 second
Team A (rebuilding) gives: Brady, Team B's 17 second
Team C (competing, but with only Eli and Fitz at QB) gives: Duke Johnson
It's a really fun/interesting trade because all 4 guys have such huge upside but all have some fairly big questions in terms of how likely they are to reach that upside. Personally, I think I like Zeke a little bit more than Watkins (though it's very close) due to Watkins' growing list of injuries. But in this format, I like Moncrief over Gordon by a good amount because it's 14 teams and we're all starting 9 total RB/WR/TE each week. Even worst case Moncrief is a solid WR3-4 who you feel good about starting every week. Who knows what you get from Gordon. So I'd lean towards the side getting Watkins personally.Interesting.
We got a highly regarded but unproven rookie and a high upside player who actually has had a better fantasy season than anyone in this deal but he may play this year or never for a player who had foot surgery and another who had the rare turf toe surgery. So many ways this trade could end up going for the teams involved.
It's close to me but if I have to start 3 WR's I'm taking Watkins/Moncrief.
I think I agree with everything you just said.It's a really fun/interesting trade because all 4 guys have such huge upside but all have some fairly big questions in terms of how likely they are to reach that upside. Personally, I think I like Zeke a little bit more than Watkins (though it's very close) due to Watkins' growing list of injuries. But in this format, I like Moncrief over Gordon by a good amount because it's 14 teams and we're all starting 9 total RB/WR/TE each week. Even worst case Moncrief is a solid WR3-4 who you feel good about starting every week. Who knows what you get from Gordon. So I'd lean towards the side getting Watkins personally.
Would need to see the roster on this one. Seems like an easy call for Lacy but if that pick is one of the top RB's next year...2017 1st, 2017 3rd, James White
for
Eddie Lacy, Isaiah Crowell, 2017 2nd
Would need to see the roster on this one. Seems like an easy call for Lacy but if that pick is one of the top RB's next year...
As hyped as the 2017 1's are right now this seems ridiculously cheap for the players. Lacy should be able to pull a future 1. The rest seems free. Unless as suggested the 2017 1 is a lock for top 2 next year.2017 1st, 2017 3rd, James White
for
Eddie Lacy, Isaiah Crowell, 2017 2nd
I'd take Floyd and I don't think it's close14 team PPR
Gave: Tyler Lockett
Got: Michael Floyd
I could see this going either way. I'm competing so Floyd likely helps more this year
Why? Floyd has teased but maybe we've seen his ceiling. He is also a few years older. Might even be the 3rd option on his own team.I'd take Floyd and I don't think it's close
Right. Floyd has the higher ceiling but a lot more risk involved. He's 26 and if he doesn't break out this year his value will start to decline rapidly. It's also a contract year, so who knows how Arizona will let that play out. Also, there's been the talk of "life after Larry" forever, but what about life after Carson Palmer?Why? Floyd has teased but maybe we've seen his ceiling. He is also a few years older. Might even be the 3rd option on his own team.
Lockett showed nothing but promise. I can see a preference for either guy but "not close"?
Nothing but promise is a good term for it. A third round NFL draft pick. 51 catches for 664 yards and 6 touchdowns last year. Nothing. But, promise. Nothing but promise.DropKick said:Why? Floyd has teased but maybe we've seen his ceiling. He is also a few years older. Might even be the 3rd option on his own team.
Lockett showed nothing but promise. I can see a preference for either guy but "not close"?
I'm the rebuilding team (took over an orphan) in this trade and I agree with you. Here's my thinking (either right or wrong):I get that he is rebuilding, but moving Brady, Forte, and Jordy to net a 2017 1st and Duke Johnson seems like a pretty small return.12 team, ppr, start qrrwwtfkd, 20 man roster + 10 man taxi, bestball scoring
Team A (rebuilding) gives: Forte, Jordy
Team B (competing) gives: 17 first, 17 second
Team A (rebuilding) gives: Brady, Team B's 17 second
Team C (competing, but with only Eli and Fitz at QB) gives: Duke Johnson
I would like to think that the in season price he could have got for just Jordy would be more than that.
Almost hill for freeStart 1 QB 4pt tds. Ppr 14 team league
team a trades Matt Stafford
team b trades 3.6 and Jeremy Hill
This is how I'd see it, for sure don't think it merited the dreaded "not close" label.DropKick said:Lockett showed nothing but promise. I can see a preference for either guy but "not close"?
Could be the worst team and worst owner making that deal12 Team PPR
i just traded Jeremy Hill, Buck Allen and the 5th pick this year for Kirk Cousins, LA D, 2017 1st and 2nd Rd picks from arguably the worst team in paper in the league.
By doing that it gave me 3 1st round picks in 2017 and a 2nd. I also own the 2nd overall pick and 18th in this years rookie/FA draft. Left me with David Johnson/Demarco Murray/Gio Bernard/Ameer Abdullah at RB which I'll fix with next yr with the 3 firsts.
I'd take Lockett and it's not close. That offense is trending towards letting Wilson air it out. Lockett is going to be a star imo.mikel2014 said:14 team PPR
Gave: Tyler Lockett
Got: Michael Floyd
I could see this going either way. I'm competing so Floyd likely helps more this year
With my luck ya never know lol.Could be the worst team and worst owner making that deal
I think the whole "it's not close" thing is a bit silly. Clearly people are debating about it so it is close in public perception. Twitter poll had it about 60/40 Floyd.I'd take Lockett and it's not close. That offense is trending towards letting Wilson air it out. Lockett is going to be a star imo.
Yeah I've never been a Floyd fan and I'm a bigger Lockett fan than most. I'd do a dance if I was able to make that trade and I was getting Lockett.I think the whole "it's not close" thing is a bit silly. Clearly people are debating about it so it is close in public perception. Twitter poll had it about 60/40 Floyd.
I'll bump (once) in the hopes of some feedback. Draft is tomorrow - I had zero picks in the Draft until this trade12 Team PPR Dynasty SuperFlex
Gave: Bortles, 2017 2nd (my own)
Got: "Burger, 2.01
Bortles, not close for me. Unless someone dropped unexpectedly to 2.1.12 Team PPR Dynasty SuperFlex
Gave: Bortles, 2017 2nd (my own)
Got: "Burger, 2.01
John,ok I'll post this one, although I know most are going to hate my side. I have too much Arob so wanted to trade him in this one. Woodhead was my rb 4 for this year pre trade ( but my 2 and 3 are expiring Forte and Murray). I also have Lamar Miller. I'm the defending champ and one of the better teams on paper. This is FFPC
I gave Arob, Woodhead, 2017 5th
I got Gurely, Mason, 2017 4th