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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (22 Viewers)
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squistion
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I think Maclin is worth more than that. With the exception of a few bad weeks, he had mostly solid production on a new team with Alex Smith as his QB.
In my PPR leagues he finished the #15 WR and averaged 16.90 points per game. One more point a game would have put in the top 10.
I could see paying 1.06-1.08 for Maclin depending on the WR needs of my team.
Papa John's
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thunderguns
Footballguy
Gave
Rawls
Diggs
#28 overall
Got
Andrew Luck
Rawls
Diggs
#28 overall
Got
Andrew Luck
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Same here.
DT has been getting sold a lot in leagues I'm in and looks like other leagues as well and if I still owned him I'd be trying to cash out as well.
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
Well, this one just went down. PPR with IDP.
Leveon Bell
FOR
Duke Johnson
Isaiah Crowell
Desean Jackson
Daryl Smith
3rd Rounder
Leveon Bell
FOR
Duke Johnson
Isaiah Crowell
Desean Jackson
Daryl Smith
3rd Rounder
I could see this if you were the gambling type.
I might roll with the 2 Gordon's
DT pretty easily. I would want at least a late 1st with KB for DT
thunderguns
Footballguy
The other owner also owns Bortles and needed help at other positions, so perhaps that influenced his valuation...
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I wonder why. He still had a really solid season, just down on the TDs a bit which tend to fluctuate. More importantly, it looks like he'll have a solid QB going forward which was the biggest concern surrounding him.
ILUVBEER99
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bostonfred
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Bryant could very well be Hopkins. Better qb, better supporting talent, huge every week upside.
Rawls could be a young lynch.
Moving both those guys for any one player is a lot.
Diggs and Lockett I'm not especially high on, but they both flashed pretty nicely and could be significant parts of this deal.
I get that there are tough roster limits but with 14 spots you're trading a wr1 for, at worst, a wr2, rb2, wr4 and wr5. If you're keeping 2q 5rb 5wr 2te, these are all guys who should make that cut no problem for most teams and they're all young emerging talents.
I.get that Hopkins was awesome this year, but this could well be his career year, too. Given the choice of putting all my eggs in one baked or spreading them out across a few I can definitely see the allure of taking the haul on this one. For my money I wait until after the draft then try to move Diggs and Lockett on the first training camp puff piece - and they will both be puffed up this off season - but I can totally see hanging onto them.
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Protocols of Stringer Bell
Footballguy
I actually won the league this year- other key guys were Julio and Jordan Reed. Lamar miller mariota and Abdullah were only other real guys. Had zero depth and also zero draft picks. But selling high means actually selling someone people want
My thinking was the following:
I love hopkins, he's awesome. He also had a target load this year that seems unsustainable. and a bad qb. Obviously he overcame the qb thing this year. But I like Bryant a lot. And I happen to really like Lockett and feel like he could become wilsons guy. Rawls is a fun bet and I could even see diggs hitting if bridgewater progresses. I tried to get the guy to throw in d Parker instead of diggs but he wouldn't do it
ghostguy123
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ghostguy123
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terribleTheBottomLine said:
ghostguy123
Footballguy
No, but DT seemed to do ok with him. DT is still a stud when he decides to catch the ball.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Welcome to dynastyi see the rapists are out in full force already. there's some seriously bad trades being posted. congrats on ruining your leagues.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
His 7 starts this year, the first 7 of his career, prorate out to 4500/23 over a full season. Seems plenty to sustain a fantasy WR. His QB rating was basically equal to Blake Bortles', whom people seem to be gaga over.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
That and the top WRs this year don't exactly have "money" QBs. The QBs for some of the top 10 WRs were Matt Ryan, Fitzpatrick, Eli, whoever Houston had, Bortles, Tannehill, and DAlton.
His 7 starts this year, the first 7 of his career, prorate out to 4500/23 over a full season. Seems plenty to sustain a fantasy WR. His QB rating was basically equal to Blake Bortles', whom people seem to be gaga over.
Demaryius finished up right there with the combination of Manning who can barely throw 30 yards and Osweiller.
I think as long as you are a really talented WR like DT and you don't have a Vick-type of QB you should be able to continue to put up decent numbers.
Demaryius (with Osweiler) put up about about 15-16 points per week in PPR leagues. Not like Osweiler is great or anything (far from it), but he is good enough to get the ball to a guy like Demaryius with some consistency.
The argument to trade Demaryius isn't that I think he is a bad player or that he didn't have an OK season. But you have to ask yourself is this the best it's going to get? He had 3 elite seasons and an OK season this year. He's not getting any younger. Say he's a high-end WR2 next year, are people still going to be paying these kinds of prices for him? I doubt he ever gets back to the levels he had the previous 3 seasons and seems like a good time to cash out.
His 7 starts this year, the first 7 of his career, prorate out to 4500/23 over a full season. Seems plenty to sustain a fantasy WR. His QB rating was basically equal to Blake Bortles', whom people seem to be gaga over.
MG3 isn't really someone I'm high on but if he flashes in the preseason/first couple games next season I guarantee I can flip him for an early 1st if not more. And I need RB production so who knows might keep him.
Josh Gordon is young and has the potential to produce equally to D-Thomas and probably better if he can stay on the field. I'll take the risk.
And the 3rd is a flyer I can use to draft some decent RB that will probably back up some older vet who will get hurt and become the starter some point in the season I can flip for another draft pick or use to package up for a player I like. Easy value.
Theres my reasoning and people in the league weren't really biting on Demaryius all season who I had on the block since I took over this particular team mid-season. I was out of town and got offered Sammy Watkins and a 1st for him but missed the offer and re-sent it when I got back home but he declined :( missed opportunity but I think this return is solid enough with potential to be a big win if things work out.
Seems like DT is this year's Calvin Johnson. Folks are seeing him at the tipping point between "still great value" and "unlikely to hold value into the near future." Great environment for finding owners with disparate valuations and getting deals done.
Said deals will look like overpays or steals depending on the viewer's expectations regarding DT's next 2-4 years.
Said deals will look like overpays or steals depending on the viewer's expectations regarding DT's next 2-4 years.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Ugh, I would be sick if I missed an offer getting WAtkins and a 1st for DT.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
I pretty much agree with your reasoning, which is why I said I liked the Gordon side before I heard your side.The argument to trade Demaryius isn't that I think he is a bad player or that he didn't have an OK season. But you have to ask yourself is this the best it's going to get? He had 3 elite seasons and an OK season this year. He's not getting any younger. Say he's a high-end WR2 next year, are people still going to be paying these kinds of prices for him? I doubt he ever gets back to the levels he had the previous 3 seasons and seems like a good time to cash out.
His 7 starts this year, the first 7 of his career, prorate out to 4500/23 over a full season. Seems plenty to sustain a fantasy WR. His QB rating was basically equal to Blake Bortles', whom people seem to be gaga over.
MG3 isn't really someone I'm high on but if he flashes in the preseason/first couple games next season I guarantee I can flip him for an early 1st if not more. And I need RB production so who knows might keep him.
Josh Gordon is young and has the potential to produce equally to D-Thomas and probably better if he can stay on the field. I'll take the risk.
And the 3rd is a flyer I can use to draft some decent RB that will probably back up some older vet who will get hurt and become the starter some point in the season I can flip for another draft pick or use to package up for a player I like. Easy value.
Theres my reasoning and people in the league weren't really biting on Demaryius all season who I had on the block since I took over this particular team mid-season. I was out of town and got offered Sammy Watkins and a 1st for him but missed the offer and re-sent it when I got back home but he declined :( missed opportunity but I think this return is solid enough with potential to be a big win if things work out.
In general I just like selling players before it's to late. Arodin in a follow post mentioned him as this years Calvin Johnson which is a great comp. I owned Calvin one place when he was similar to DT's current age and I sold him and thought then as I do now, it was just the right time.
I did a PPR startup last year in a league where Calvin went 3.3 and Jordy went 3.5. Now on the surface those seemed like great value picks to me at the time. I had a pick at 2.2 and not another slated until 3.11 and when Jordy was still kicking at 3.5 I tried moving up to get him, so again felt those were solid values at the time. But even though I thought they were good values there were only 2-4 players that got picked ahead of those two that I would not have picked over them.
So basically, to me, their value was right around 2/3 turn type, in the 24/25 overall range. Why? Age mainly. People, myself included, preferred younger options. Middle to late second round options like Watkins, Cooks, Alshon, Hopkins all seemed like better ways to go to me.
So getting back to DT. He's still good and he's shown in the past he's a bit QB proof. But just to my naked eye he has not looked as explosive this season, granted he won't turn 29 until the fantasy season is basically over next year but I think his age is or will very soon be used as major disadvantage to his value and his volume has been immense and those things can only go one direction.
I mentioned the Calvin/Jordy examples and this summer DT will be about 1.3-1.5 years younger at the time of those drafts as Calvin and Jordy were last season.
In that same startup DT went 1.9.
This is again why I'd prefer to try and move DT now but ONLY if I'm getting something befitting a player at least in the top 15 overall. It's not a give away or a fire sale. I've seen some teams acquire DT this off-season at prices I would easily have paid.
It's all relative to price, I'd pay for him if it was a good deal and I've seen some go down I'd have rather been the guy buying him then selling but all things being equal I'd rather be the guy selling.
Matt's Eagles
Footballguy
12 team dynasty PPR, TE bonus, 3 year contract
Gronk's owner had to trade him or lose him
Team A gets Gronk
Team B gets Doug Martin, ASJ, pick 1.10
Gronk's owner had to trade him or lose him
Team A gets Gronk
Team B gets Doug Martin, ASJ, pick 1.10
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LondonCalling
Footballguy
standard 14team ppr, 22 roster, start qb, 2rb, 2wr, r/w, te, k, d
Lacy, ju. Thompson
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M. Jones, D Inman, K. Wright
Lacy, ju. Thompson
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M. Jones, D Inman, K. Wright
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JackReacher
Footballguy
FFPC
Team A gets Jordy & 2.7
Team B gets 1.2
Team A gets Jordy & 2.7
Team B gets 1.2
Aunt Jemima
Footballguy
assuming one is a rebuild and one is not, if that is the case then this seems like even value and a solid move for both. Value is even to me
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Demaryius is this year's version of an interesting case study on how the youth line keeps moving further and further back every year in dynasty perception.menobrown said:
It used to be that a 33 year old WR finally started losing his value. Then 31 year old WRs were only a couple years away from being 33, so they lost value. Then 30 year olds were almost 31, 29 year olds were almost 30, and apparently we're now at the point where 28 year old WRs are sell-low guys because they're almost to the point where they're almost old enough to be close to being old enough to being almost at the age where WRs drop off.
I remember a handful of years back in discussion about Steven Jackson, EBF saying something to the effect of "if we keep moving this line back are we going to get to the point were a 28 year old RB is considered over the hill"? If only he knew. Forget 28 year old RBs, those guys have to be 24 to not be given up on anymore, we've even gotten to the point where 28 is old for a WR.
It's kind of amazing to watch how a guy's perception/value can go from elite young stud WR with a long future to "eh this guy is getting pretty old probably time to sell while he still has some value left" in 1-2 years. It wasn't even two years ago that Demaryius was bringing in an insane haul and practically untouchable largely because of the longevity left in his career. Now a mere year and a half later people are selling him at 30-50% of what they paid because he's so old.
To be fair, I'm sure a big part of that is the emergence of some REALLY young WRs like Beckham, Robinson, Cooper, etc, but can someone remember to quote this post a few years from now when people are selling Beckham for cheap because he's about to turn 26?
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
In a good draft, the picks. In an average year, it's a push.This year's draft, I would take Gordon.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I'd take Lacy despite having no clue what a ju. Thompson is.
Or turn the picks into picks in a good draft. I'd take the picks and look to flip them for 1's next year on draft day. In the case of 1.08 assuming someone doesn't slip that I really like I'd probably get a late 2 this year and a 1 next and the 2.01 should easily net a random 1st if not another trade-down to a mid pick in the 4th or 5th round.
I also have no idea why anyone would make this trade now (moving Gordon). Gordon is only going to go down in value until he gets on the field and shows something, and picks are only going to increase between now and draft day. If you really wanted to buy Gordon you could probably wait until 1.08 is OTC and get Gordon+ for him. Some Pitt fan is going to look at Boyd in a new ______ uniform and say "wow, he could really be a stud next year when X random factor gets solved" and want to jump all over him at 1.08.
