Spike Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 5 hours ago, nirad3 said: After Davis and CMC went, I was looking at Fournette - with no real need at RB - and ended up dealing: 1.03 2019 4th ---for--- 2018 1st 2019 1st 2018 2nd 3.06 ------------- 2018's draft is loaded (again) and trade partner's team is likely to be in the bottom half of the standings. Mild risk I suppose and could be giving up a generational player, but went ahead and did it. And after all that, the guy ended up taking Mixon I can see your reasoning, and it's well-stated, but I still think I make the 1.03 pick in your situation. Too many times I have see future picks initially look like semi-locks to be high end up being bottom of the barrel 1st rounders. Of course, I don't know where you are in regard to being a contender or a rebuilder. That could have a huge bearing on things too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Dufresne Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 This probably won't help anyone but... PPR Zealots league Gave: 2018 2nd & 3rd Got: 2017 2.05 - For the purpose of drafting David Njoku 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 45 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said: This probably won't help anyone but... PPR Zealots league Gave: 2018 2nd & 3rd Got: 2017 2.05 - For the purpose of drafting David Njoku It seems a clear "I'm targeting a player and moved assets to get him" situation. I'm all for it. Whether it works is a different matter but I like the aggressive move. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hankmoody Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 50 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said: This probably won't help anyone but... PPR Zealots league Gave: 2018 2nd & 3rd Got: 2017 2.05 - For the purpose of drafting David Njoku 4 minutes ago, Spike said: It seems a clear "I'm targeting a player and moved assets to get him" situation. I'm all for it. Whether it works is a different matter but I like the aggressive move. Yep and cheap. Most of my leagues would require a future 1st, which for Njoku is well worth it if it's expected late. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhythmdoctor Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 16 team, non-IDP, PPR TEAM A will giveMatthews, Jordan PHI WRYear 2017 Draft Pick 2.05Year 2017 Draft Pick 2.11 To TEAM B forYear 2017 Draft Pick 1.07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Dufresne Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) What's with people wanting Jordan Matthews? Another league I'm in saw a 1.12 for Matthews trade. Edited May 9, 2017 by Andy Dufresne 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said: What's with people wanting Jordan Matthews? Another league I'm in saw a 1.12 for Matthews trade. Frankly, I would not trade a 2.12 for him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 19 hours ago, Rockchild said: Went down in one of my leagues(not involved), 12 team PPR: Zeke, 2017 2.01 for ARob, 2017 1.02, 2017 5.08. 2018 1st round(probably late as team is pretty loaded) 5.08 side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hankmoody Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Spike said: I can see your reasoning, and it's well-stated, but I still think I make the 1.03 pick in your situation. Too many times I have see future picks initially look like semi-locks to be high end up being bottom of the barrel 1st rounders. Of course, I don't know where you are in regard to being a contender or a rebuilder. That could have a huge bearing on things too. We've also seen plenty of sure fire RB's go bust too, but I agree this is all about the % of early pick factor. Getting two cracks at a top 3 pick, with the other cherries that had thrown in, would be awful tempting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matttyl Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 10 team non PPR Rawls and Kenny Britt for Gio B, Tavon Austin and the #34 rookie pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostguy123 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 11 hours ago, Dez said: How things change so fast in just 1 year. Yet a year and another injury later, you aren't even sure which side you prefer between Gronk and this: pick 8, pick 9, pick 13, Edelman, and Funchess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggot Brain Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 32 team IDP Dynasty (Salary Cap) Team A : Received 1.01 and 4.01 Team B: Received 1.09, 2.23, Marvin Jones($12.2M), Cordarelle Patterson($1.8M) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hankmoody Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 30 minutes ago, Maggot Brain said: 32 team IDP Dynasty (Salary Cap) Team A : Received 1.01 and 4.01 Team B: Received 1.09, 2.23, Marvin Jones($12.2M), Cordarelle Patterson($1.8M) I can see how he earned the 1.01 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggot Brain Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 5 hours ago, Hankmoody said: I can see how he earned the 1.01 Yes, the salary dump definitely influenced this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hankmoody Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, Maggot Brain said: Yes, the salary dump definitely influenced this one. Wait what? Are you saying Jones' contract is a dump? In addition to TURRIBEL value for the 1.01, B took on a bad salary to boot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggot Brain Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 4 hours ago, Hankmoody said: Wait what? Are you saying Jones' contract is a dump? In addition to TURRIBEL value for the 1.01, B took on a bad salary to boot? Not saying it was a 'pure' dump (I'm Team A), but it sure was nice to unload a bad contract(2yrs remaining) on a serious under performer from the previous year. In addition to the 1.01; the salary I recouped has me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hankmoody Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, Maggot Brain said: Not saying it was a 'pure' dump (I'm Team A), but it sure was nice to unload a bad contract(2yrs remaining) on a serious under performer from the previous year. In addition to the 1.01; the salary I recouped has me It should have you in :handcuffs: emoji. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matttyl Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 10 team non PPR with IDPs (start 1 qb, 1 rb, 2 wr, 1 te, 3 flex, 1 k, 2 dls, 2 lbs, 2 dbs) A gives - Melvin Gordon and Sean Lee B gives - Watkins, Kuechly, and the #8 rookie pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostguy123 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 3 hours ago, Maggot Brain said: 32 team IDP Dynasty (Salary Cap) Team A : Received 1.01 and 4.01 Team B: Received 1.09, 2.23, Marvin Jones($12.2M), Cordarelle Patterson($1.8M) Do people even post all the trades they see or just the awful ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doowain Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) PPR Gave: Michael Thomas 1.10 2.10 3.10 Got: Zeke Thomas was my WR5 (OBJ/Antonio/AJG/Dez) and have Doctson/Perriman as pieces I see increasing in value and contribution this year. My RBs were sub par (Crowell/Latavius/Charles). ETA: Owner took Perine with the 1.10. Edited May 9, 2017 by doowain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Dufresne Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 14 minutes ago, doowain said: PPR Gave: Michael Thomas 1.10 2.10 3.10 Got: Zeke Thomas was my WR5 (OBJ/Antonio/AJG/Dez) and have Doctson/Perriman as pieces I see increasing in value and contribution this year. My RBs were sub par (Crowell/Latavius/Charles). ETA: Owner took Perine with the 1.10. At the point of a gun? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doowain Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 16 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said: At the point of a gun? All depends on how you feel about Thomas. Most all have him as a top 10 Dynasty WR, which would put him as a Top 20 overall asset. If you are a believer, which this owner obviously is (as am I), he has the upside to enter the Top 10. I obviously prefer my side, but as it stands it wasn't as far off as you may think in terms of value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Dufresne Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 22 minutes ago, doowain said: All depends on how you feel about Thomas. Most all have him as a top 10 Dynasty WR, which would put him as a Top 20 overall asset. If you are a believer, which this owner obviously is (as am I), he has the upside to enter the Top 10. I obviously prefer my side, but as it stands it wasn't as far off as you may think in terms of value. That's true but when you're switching out Zeke for Thomas you have to be sure that the rest of the roster moves can make up for what you think the difference between the two will be. In this instance, I find that to be a dicey proposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concept Coop Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 27 minutes ago, doowain said: All depends on how you feel about Thomas. Most all have him as a top 10 Dynasty WR, which would put him as a Top 20 overall asset. If you are a believer, which this owner obviously is (as am I), he has the upside to enter the Top 10. I obviously prefer my side, but as it stands it wasn't as far off as you may think in terms of value. You won this by a mile, even ignoring your roster. We're comparing a low-end WR1 to one of the very few difference makers in the hobby. Clone the picks and it's still Zeke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CabinFever Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 12 team ppr gave: 1.8, Gates, Pitta got: Doctson, Hooper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One More Rep Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 8 hours ago, matttyl said: 10 team non PPR with IDPs (start 1 qb, 1 rb, 2 wr, 1 te, 3 flex, 1 k, 2 dls, 2 lbs, 2 dbs) A gives - Melvin Gordon and Sean Lee B gives - Watkins, Kuechly, and the #8 rookie pick Sammy and the 1.8 by a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One More Rep Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 15 minutes ago, CabinFever said: 12 team ppr gave: 1.8, Gates, Pitta got: Doctson, Hooper 1.8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeBaGeL Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Concept Coop said: You won this by a mile, even ignoring your roster. We're comparing a low-end WR1 to one of the very few difference makers in the hobby. Clone the picks and it's still Zeke. I agree that the Zeke side definitely won but for what it's worth in startup ADP right now Thomas is sitting at 1.10 (Zeke 1.04) so the gulf isn't as massive as is being characterized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mashedbananas Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 1 QB, 2 RB 3 WR 1 TE PPR Gave Roethlisberger Got Dalton and 1.10 (took Perine-have Rob Kelley also) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 1 hour ago, mashedbananas said: 1 QB, 2 RB 3 WR 1 TE PPR Gave Roethlisberger Got Dalton and 1.10 (took Perine-have Rob Kelley also) It being a start 1QB league, and that neither BIg Ben nor Dalton should be a starter, it's like the 1.10 for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concept Coop Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 9 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said: I agree that the Zeke side definitely won but for what it's worth in startup ADP right now Thomas is sitting at 1.10 (Zeke 1.04) so the gulf isn't as massive as is being characterized. Zeke and OBJ are on a tier of their own, IMO. Thomas around 12 makes sense, but only because of the big drop off after 8. Trading up through those 2 or 3 tiers should be very expensive. According to the startup trade chart, 1.01 > 1.12+2.1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPeso Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 9 hours ago, CabinFever said: 12 team ppr gave: 1.8, Gates, Pitta got: Doctson, Hooper 1.8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPeso Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 1 hour ago, mashedbananas said: 1 QB, 2 RB 3 WR 1 TE PPR Gave Roethlisberger Got Dalton and 1.10 (took Perine-have Rob Kelley also) People pay a 1st for Ben in 1 QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPeso Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 13 hours ago, doowain said: PPR Gave: Michael Thomas 1.10 2.10 3.10 Got: Zeke Thomas was my WR5 (OBJ/Antonio/AJG/Dez) and have Doctson/Perriman as pieces I see increasing in value and contribution this year. My RBs were sub par (Crowell/Latavius/Charles). ETA: Owner took Perine with the 1.10. Love Thomas but you sold assuming he's a top 6 overall pick (could be but very little downside). Great trade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPeso Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 23 hours ago, Rhythmdoctor said: 16 team, non-IDP, PPR TEAM A will giveMatthews, Jordan PHI WRYear 2017 Draft Pick 2.05Year 2017 Draft Pick 2.11 To TEAM B forYear 2017 Draft Pick 1.07 1.7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPeso Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 20 hours ago, Maggot Brain said: 32 team IDP Dynasty (Salary Cap) Team A : Received 1.01 and 4.01 Team B: Received 1.09, 2.23, Marvin Jones($12.2M), Cordarelle Patterson($1.8M) Turrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPeso Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 On 5/8/2017 at 2:29 PM, Rockchild said: Went down in one of my leagues(not involved), 12 team PPR: Zeke, 2017 2.01 for ARob, 2017 1.02, 2017 5.08. 2018 1st round(probably late as team is pretty loaded) Looks about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Octopus Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, JPeso said: People pay a 1st for Ben in 1 QB? A first plus a QB that may finish pretty close to him at season's end. I had Ben on a team I was rebuilding and couldn't even get a second for him. This deal is a clear outlier imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPeso Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 On 5/8/2017 at 8:37 PM, Shaunz33 said: PPR (TE premium). Picks are for rookie/FA draft Lamar Miller, 4.06, 4.08 vs. Sterling Shepard, 3.01, 3.02 Shepard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-OZ- Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 14 minutes ago, Spike said: It being a start 1QB league, and that neither BIg Ben nor Dalton should be a starter, it's like the 1.10 for free. Ben is a top 12 qb in redraft, I'd have no problem starting him but he's not giving you an advantage worth a 1st. 3 minutes ago, JPeso said: People pay a 1st for Ben in 1 QB? Crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPeso Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 On 5/8/2017 at 11:55 AM, Childress said: PPR 1/2/2/1 2 flex gave 2018 1st (middle of pack), Vance McDonald got Devante Parker Desean Jackson 1st Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-OZ- Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) I gave the 1.14, a few scrubs and a 2018 3rd for the 1.11 (not on the clock but the 11 on my mock list for that league does a lot more for me than the 14.) Probably an overpay but I can afford it to get a guy I like. Edited May 10, 2017 by -OZ- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Zealots Field league; non-PPR; start 1QB/1-3RB/3-5WR/1-2TE/3DL/3LB/3DB Traded: Randall Cobb/1.06/2.10 Received: 1.01 My reasoning is that I really needed a top 3 RB in this draft. Getting who I feel is the best for non-PPR was the icing on the cake. (I had offers to the top 3 teams in the draft so I would try to be sure to get one of the top 3 RBs.) At WR, I still have Dez Bryant, AJ Green, DeAndre Hopkins, Julio Jones and lesser others. My RB corps is weak. Yes, I gave up some assets but feel I did well in this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borden Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 12 team PPR 1QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/1Flex I gave up 1.07 and 2.07 for 1.05, FAs included in the draft but the WW is depleted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Dufresne Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Spike said: Zealots Field league; non-PPR; start 1QB/1-3RB/3-5WR/1-2TE/3DL/3LB/3DB Traded: Randall Cobb/1.06/2.10 Received: 1.01 My reasoning is that I really needed a top 3 RB in this draft. Getting who I feel is the best for non-PPR was the icing on the cake. (I had offers to the top 3 teams in the draft so I would try to be sure to get one of the top 3 RBs.) At WR, I still have Dez Bryant, AJ Green, DeAndre Hopkins, Julio Jones and lesser others. My RB corps is weak. Yes, I gave up some assets but feel I did well in this. I'd rather have the 1.01. Packers WRs do well overall but are hard to predict from week to week. If I got a deal like that for Adams I'd likely take it. Plus you have mad WR depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Dufresne Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Just now, Borden said: 12 team PPR 1QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/1Flex I gave up 1.07 and 2.07 for 1.05, FAs included in the draft but the WW is depleted. There's definitely a drop off at 5 so that's a small price to pay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hankmoody Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 16 minutes ago, -OZ- said: I gave the 1.14, a few scrubs and a 2018 3rd for the 1.11 (not on the clock but the 11 on my mock list for that league does a lot more for me than the 14.) Probably an overpay but I can afford it to get a guy I like. Depending on the definition of scubs, that's not an overpay at all. A future 3rd to jump a tier this early in the draft is a no-brainer. Interesting spot for a tier-break though, I assume it's not IDP? Or have there been some whack picks pushing guys down to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPeso Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 11 minutes ago, Spike said: Zealots Field league; non-PPR; start 1QB/1-3RB/3-5WR/1-2TE/3DL/3LB/3DB Traded: Randall Cobb/1.06/2.10 Received: 1.01 My reasoning is that I really needed a top 3 RB in this draft. Getting who I feel is the best for non-PPR was the icing on the cake. (I had offers to the top 3 teams in the draft so I would try to be sure to get one of the top 3 RBs.) At WR, I still have Dez Bryant, AJ Green, DeAndre Hopkins, Julio Jones and lesser others. My RB corps is weak. Yes, I gave up some assets but feel I did well in this. 1.1 by a mile. Super cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borden Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said: There's definitely a drop off at 5 so that's a small price to pay. I offered 1.07 and 3.03 to the guys picking at 5th and 6th and both said the tier drop off was to much. I take this as meaning that they wouldn't have taken a Ross/Howard/Hunt/Kamara there. So, I didn't think there wasn't much chance of a top 6 player slipping to me. Edited May 10, 2017 by Borden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danish Bengal Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 2 hours ago, mashedbananas said: 1 QB, 2 RB 3 WR 1 TE PPR Gave Roethlisberger Got Dalton and 1.10 (took Perine-have Rob Kelley also) WTF? Gave Nothing Got 1.10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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