ghostguy123
Footballguy
It would help you win "now" this year, "now" in 2019, and "now" in 2020.
Guice would have to be quite good now and for a rather long stretch to make it a trade you would regret.
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Guice would have to be quite good now and for a rather long stretch to make it a trade you would regret.
Dez
Footballguy
Dez
Footballguy
Things change fast in fantasy football though. Last year Hunt and Kamara were 2nd round picks in a lot of rookie drafts this time of year and now they are being taken in the 1st round of startups ahead of many guys that you would have easily traded them for last year. Maybe Guice does that and becomes a 1st round startup next year or maybe he flops and loses value. No one knows that is the beauty of dynasty everyone has their own way to build a team thus the reason these trades can happen.
gianmarco
Footballguy
This is wrong on both counts.
It "might" help you win this year. The chances of that beyond this year go down. One down year or injury to either and value starts to really tank, let alone production. There are no guarantees that this deal helps you win when you otherwise wouldn't when you are dealing with 30 yo WRs. Recent examples of DT, Dez, Jordy (all very talented and very productive... until they weren't). Assuming both guys give you 14-15 PPG for the next 3 years is a bet I'll take against every day.
As for Guice, that's also misguided. He doesn't have to be quite good for a long stretch to be a trade you regret. In fact, he only needs to be good for a few games to regret it. See Kareem Hunt last year. Or Dalvin Cook, who even suffered a bad injury and his value is still retained. Or Mixon, who did almost nothing and still has huge value. Or Kamara who exploded.
And yes, I know there's no guarantee he turns into any of those guys, but the idea that he has to be good for a long time to be worth it simply isn't true.
If you can find a WR on the wire to give you 11-12 PPG, then you can likely succeed with Guice even being mediocre as a rookie if he shows anything at all. Guys like Robby Anderson or Chris Hogan or M. Sanu can give you that. The days of AJG or Baldwin scoring 18+ are very likely over (both at 14 last year). They are no longer difference makers.
Far more ways to hurt your team when you invest in depreciating assets like 30 year old WRs, especially before the season, than help it.
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Dez
Footballguy
Randy Moss was thought to be no longer a difference maker at age 30 coming off a terrible year in 2006 with Oakland then traded to NE for a measly 4th round pick. He kinda was a difference maker for the next 3 years to the tune of record 23 TD's, 98 catches and 1493 yards in 2007.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
We're not actually saying Green is washed up, are we?
Before he got injured in week 10 of 2016 he was the #2WR with a 20.85 PPG average. I don't think or saw anything in his game which makes me think he suddenly declined in a year, just a bad year for the offense. So no. In fact despite his subpar season last year I've long thought his style of play, which I'd describe as finesse in nature, was ideally suited to age well.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
And Guice might suck right out the gate and be worth a 2nd rounder next year. Lot of ifs being tossed around, but not many about this awesome rookie who everyone thought was the clear #2 RB in the draft fall way way past that.
How many good WRs you see being picked up off the WW in 16 team league and/or deeper roster leagues? 2-3 a year? You betting on landing all of them?
If you are talking about #2 RB in terms of NFL draft sure he fell but really don't care. In terms of dynasty as far as I'm concerned he was not the clear cut #2 RB, he still is.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
ppr 12 team 1 QB
Dak, Ito Smith, 2019 3rd (mid to late) for Dion Lewis, 2019 2nd (very late)
Dak, Ito Smith, 2019 3rd (mid to late) for Dion Lewis, 2019 2nd (very late)
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Another: Brandin Cooks for a 2019 1st (6-12), 3rd, Godwin. 12 team PPR
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Would hope you could get a little more for cooks- but perhaps you can’t. Bet his value varies league to league quite a bit.Dr. Dan said:
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
I agree. It's a tough trading market for him. Cooks is 24, first 3 seasons of 1000 yards. Only Evans, Moss, and AJ Green did that. Ridley turns 24 this season, has done nothing in the NFL, and was a late 1st.
If it were a higher 1 I'd be more stoked. Godwin I do like though... I think he could have a coming out party this year. I think it comes down to whether you like Cooks or not. I've seen him ranked as low as 35ish for some posters. Limited route tree. Just a pair of legs. Lots of criticism.
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Steel Curtainrod
Footballguy
12tm dynasty ppr qb/2rb/3wr/te/k/dt
Gave: Jeffrey, 3.1
Received: Mike Williams
In rebuild mode, so why not?
Gave: Jeffrey, 3.1
Received: Mike Williams
In rebuild mode, so why not?
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Jeffery should have been enough. In rebuild mode, I keep those picks or try to move 3.01 for a 2019 2nd. I think he should have been the one throwing in a pick.
Steel Curtainrod
Footballguy
While I agree, it wasn't happening and after another year I'd be lucky to get a fourth for him. Guy's got zero value in this league.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Same in my league Jeffrey seems difficult to trade. Contending teams don't want him unless they need depth or WR3 help and rebuilding teams are scared away because injury history and creeping towards 30?
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Fair enough, value varies person to person and league to league for sure. Get it while you can- although perhaps an injury makes a team willing to pay a little more later on, it’s certainly no guarantee and Williams could get his shot this year.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Love the trade for a rebuild team. Jeffrey is very blah. Would rather gamble on Williams returning from injury and panning out.
Low risk trade for you. It's not like you're gonna miss Jeffrey that much.
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
12 team PPR TE Premium
Team A gives Fournette, Funchess, Golladay
Team B gives Julio, Josh Gordon, Crowell
Team A gives Fournette, Funchess, Golladay
Team B gives Julio, Josh Gordon, Crowell
Interseptopus
Footballguy
was able to get Dion Lewis and a mid 2nd for Jeffery and a 3rd (probably high) traded for my 3rd back today in a trade I probably would have done without the 3rd
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I like fournette here. and i dont like fournette at all in dynasty. but I hold the opinion Gordon will mess up and be done, along with Crowell is a throw away in this deal. so Julio for fournette and Golladay... pretty awesome
Zyphros
Footballguy
unless Funchess has converted to TE then I take Julio and Flash by a mile. I'm also a big believer in Gordon long term. I'm not a big Fournette fan, Funchess is ok and I like Golladay enough but that's 2 WR1's for the next 3 years for 1 RB1 and iffy flex or bye week fillers.
Zyphros
Footballguy
Bunch of recent deals in one of my leagues
2QB 3WR 2RB 2TE 2Flex .5ppr 10 team league
Team X got: Rico Gathers
Team Y got: 3.03
Team O got: Josh Gordon, 2020 1st (probably late, they're always a decent to top team)
Team P got: Melvin Gordon
Team J got: Julio Jones and CJ Anderson
Team K got: Robert Woods and Fournette
Team J got: Lamar Miller and Bilal Powell
Team A got: 1.06
2QB 3WR 2RB 2TE 2Flex .5ppr 10 team league
Team X got: Rico Gathers
Team Y got: 3.03
Team O got: Josh Gordon, 2020 1st (probably late, they're always a decent to top team)
Team P got: Melvin Gordon
Team J got: Julio Jones and CJ Anderson
Team K got: Robert Woods and Fournette
Team J got: Lamar Miller and Bilal Powell
Team A got: 1.06
Boston
Footballguy
Interesting...I like the Fournette side...Fournette is a stud RB who has huge upside...always a great acquisition getting that...Golladay is very intriguing and Funchess is a solid depth WR...one of those guys that you don't get excited about in the off-season but are thankful to have in week 11 when you have injuries piling up...I have owned Julio a few times in the past and it never lived up to the hype for me...Gordon is someone I want no part of...his big season was 2013 so I would have zero regrets if he blew up after dealing him...Crowell is a bench RB who isn't a bad throw-in but I don't see him ever getting to the next level...
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Team Y - basically a free 3rd
Team O and P - no winner. I want no part in Josh Gordon. Melvin will have another year or two of top play then he will break down imo. so it's a 1st in 2 years for a RB for 2 years. maybe I'd take the pick here just to stay young. but I think it's fair.
Team K - Julio is fairly overrated it seems. Woods is quite good and Fournette is a top rb even though he has rubber bands holding his ankle together
team A by a mile
Boston
Footballguy
Dez
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
And the beat goes on...
6) Gave: Anthony Miller, two 2nds, 4th
Got: AJ Green
I had three 2nds next year and...what good are those? Sure this is a rebuild but you rebuild with good players and Green is still in his prime for the next 3-5 years.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I'm not a big AJ green fan and I love Miller, but this is a great deal for Green. you came out way ahead
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NeverEnough
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I had dangled the player/three picks idea to a few teams. I figured someone would value the quantity of picks. I still have a second, three thirds and two fourths next year.
I think the previous owner was a hoarder.
I think the previous owner was a hoarder.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Tejas
Footballguy
Give me Miller and the picks. Green is a depreciating asset, incapable of staying healthy or carrying a below-average offense.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I can see that. But people are really extrapolating to think that the Bears are going to show marked improvement this year.
JackReacher
Footballguy
You won every one of these, this last one in particular. Miller went in the early 2nd round of all my drafts, at best he went as a late 1st in others. You'd have to add a lot more than 2 random 2nds for me to trade Green for Miller (and I own both of them in one of my leagues.)
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
I think the Bears will improve quite a bit. And I like Miller a lot. But unless Allen Robinson flops, I don't see the targets there anytime soon. And no way I move Green that cheap. I agree he still has 3-5 elite years left. There is a chance Miller becomes *the guy*, though.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Rookie draft day trade:
Gave:
1.09 (Kerryon)
2019 2nd (likely to be late)
Got:
AJ Green (2yr contract)
Gave:
1.09 (Kerryon)
2019 2nd (likely to be late)
Got:
AJ Green (2yr contract)
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I think the long term outlook for the Bears is very positive. I wonder if people are expecting a Goff-like improvement in Trubisky, which I'm not sure I agree with. They will have their lumps with the new system installed. I do think Miller is going to be fantastic at some point, maybe year 2. Robinson has had one productive year and is coming off a really bad injury. Who knows what he will be like. Again, I think you got Green crazy cheap. He has at least 3 years of elite status left. And by then you'll have the next hot 2nd round WR
Interseptopus
Footballguy
How long are rookie contracts? Are you able to extend AJ Green after 2 years?
I think this is also getting Green cheap. I am 50/50 on Kerryon. There are people who really like him and some do not. Riddick isn't going anywhere for a while, so you're looking at another 1-2 down guy until Riddick leaves or is hurt. I am not sure I trust the Lions to use any RB effectively.
If this were regular dynasty I would love the Green side. Since it's a 2 year contract and I'm not sure if you can extend him, I'm a little torn, but it sounds like you have a solid team if you're predicting a late 2019 pick for yourself. Green will do a lot to keep you going for the title the next 2 years.
JPeso
Footballguy
Henry's the only top 50 player.
I like getting KJ much more than Miller and think it's a fine exit.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Rookie contracts are 5yrs ...
Once AJG contract expires I will have RFA rights to match any offer at auction, so yes I could extend him if I chose to do so.
Defending champ with a core of:
Russ/Wentz
Gurley/Gordon/CMC
Hopkins/Julio/AJG
Kelce/Burton
Barring injury, that 2019 2nd will be closer to an early 3rd.
