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I’m an FFPC player; second round way too pricey for me. Guess I have to take another look because I don’t view Engram as becoming a foundation TE.
I agree. No way on God's green earth do you take Engram in the 2nd round.I’m an FFPC player; second round way too pricey for me. Guess I have to take another look because I don’t view Engram as becoming a foundation TE.
Are you in any 1.5 PPR for TE leagues?I agree. No way on God's green earth do you take Engram in the 2nd round.
Winston even with suspensionSuperflex - 1 QB, 1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Superflex, 2 Flex, 1 K, 1 DEF
12 team, 25 Roster, plus 2 IR plus 1 taxi so max of 28
Gave Winston, 4.05
Got Brady 4.08
Hill very similar to Engram with Diggs much lower due to my expected PPG upside.As an exercise, how do you all rank Engram vs. Tyreek/Diggs (both going late second) in TE premium leagues?
That's not enough to take Engram in the 2nd round. There is too much risk taking a TE in the 2nd round, even in TE premium leagues. Personally I wouldn't consider him until the 4th round, even in 1.5 PPR for TEs. Just like QBs, never take one early. Except I would take a QB early in 2 QB leagues, but I would never play in a 2 QB league.Are you in any 1.5 PPR for TE leagues?
I don’t understand the “never take a TE early” crowd. I get it with QB because there are a LOT of QB’s that you can find in the later rounds that will still get you decent points each week. TE’s are different. There are some super elite TE’s that are obviously way ahead of the pack, and with 1.5 ppr, their value is even more amplified. So why wouldn’t you take one of them early?That's not enough to take Engram in the 2nd round. There is too much risk taking a TE in the 2nd round, even in TE premium leagues. Personally I wouldn't consider him until the 4th round, even in 1.5 PPR for TEs. Just like QBs, never take one early. Except I would take a QB early in 2 QB leagues, but I would never play in a 2 QB league.
...but didn’t answer my question. Do you play in any 1.5 PPR for TE leagues?That's not enough to take Engram in the 2nd round. There is too much risk taking a TE in the 2nd round, even in TE premium leagues. Personally I wouldn't consider him until the 4th round, even in 1.5 PPR for TEs. Just like QBs, never take one early. Except I would take a QB early in 2 QB leagues, but I would never play in a 2 QB league.
Agree with the importance of TE in FFPC (I usually roster 4 or 5, even if I have a stud).Elite TEs can win you a season in 1.5 PPR leagues like FFPC. The reason is two-fold.
--They can score as well as top WR and RB
--Due to scarcity, they offer a huge advantage against other teams.
In our leagues where we own Gronk and Kelce, they carried our teams almost single handedly to the playoffs. We feel Engram is the next one to possibly do that.
Yes...but didn’t answer my question. Do you play in any 1.5 PPR for TE leagues?
I believe there is more risk with TEs than selecting a stud WR or RB in rd 2. I simply believe a stud WR or RB carries less risk than a stud TE most of the time.I don’t understand the “never take a TE early” crowd. I get it with QB because there are a LOT of QB’s that you can find in the later rounds that will still get you decent points each week. TE’s are different. There are some super elite TE’s that are obviously way ahead of the pack, and with 1.5 ppr, their value is even more amplified. So why wouldn’t you take one of them early?
I prefer the Fournette side by a decent amount.Devy / Dynasty League
Team A receives Nick Chubb, Amari Cooper, and a 2019 1st rd pick (late)
Team B receives Leonard Fournette, Ju Ju Smith-Schuster
Yeah I thought this was going to be Ebron when he came out and I've been staring at him on my bench ever since.Elite TEs can win you a season in 1.5 PPR leagues like FFPC. The reason is two-fold.
--They can score as well as top WR and RB
--Due to scarcity, they offer a huge advantage against other teams.
In our leagues where we own Gronk and Kelce, they carried our teams almost single handedly to the playoffs. We feel Engram is the next one to possibly do that.
I base my dynasty rankings on something very close to FFPC format. I have Engram a tier ahead of both Tyreek and Diggs, and Engram is my TE1 for dynasty purposes. I'm just using my one league that had a startup as an example. Kelce and Ertz both went in the 2nd, Engram and Gronk went back to back in the 4th, me being the one grabbing Engram before Gronk. Pretty sure that's an outlier ADP but there is roughly 15 players I'd take before Engram, then I'd have no problem drafting him in that type of format.As an exercise, how do you all rank Engram vs. Tyreek/Diggs (both going late second) in TE premium leagues?
Risk is higher with TEs period.Yeah I thought this was going to be Ebron when he came out and I've been staring at him on my bench ever since.
Except for Engram’s value is tied to an amazing rookie year. Ebron had 25-250-1 in his rookie year. Engram had 64-722-6 in his rookie year. Bit of a difference..Yeah I thought this was going to be Ebron when he came out and I've been staring at him on my bench ever since.
Meant as a rookie, but your point stands.Except for Engram’s value is tied to an amazing rookie year. Ebron had 25-250-1 in his rookie year. Engram had 64-722-6 in his rookie year. Bit of a difference..
I'd like to see your Browns team projections. Seems like you have Gordon, Njoku and Landry all getting 1,000+ recieving yards (ok, 2,000 for Gordon) while Chubb rushes for 1,5000. Oh and you probably have Duke with a combined 1,200 in there too.Engram will cost you an arm and a leg in 1.5TE PPR
Be the shark and get Njoku.
Browns gonna be catching a lot of passes, will be a golden PPR team. Landry I dont think will have many yds or TDs, but a lot of catches. Gordon and Njoku should be TD hogs...I'd like to see your Browns team projections. Seems like you have Gordon, Njoku and Landry all getting 1,000+ recieving yards (ok, 2,000 for Gordon) while Chubb rushes for 1,5000. Oh and you probably have Duke with a combined 1,200 in there too.
It was a rhetorical question.Browns gonna be catching a lot of passes, will be a golden PPR team. Landry I dont think will have many yds or TDs, but a lot of catches. Gordon and Njoku should be TD hogs...
The backfield, no idea... Next season it's Chubb for sure, 250-300 carries. This season, no idea.
browns are going to the superbowl. 16-0. records be damnedI'd like to see your Browns team projections. Seems like you have Gordon, Njoku and Landry all getting 1,000+ recieving yards (ok, 2,000 for Gordon) while Chubb rushes for 1,5000. Oh and you probably have Duke with a combined 1,200 in there too.
Additionally, the fact that TEs go earlier, in general, means that other skill positions get pushed back a bit. So being "punished" by going early at TE, is not as dire as some might make it out to be. If I take Gronk or Kelce early (usually Gronk), I love taking RBs and WRs a little later when others are reaching for the middle tier TEs. And to me that middle tier has about a dozen names, maybe more.kutta said:I don’t understand the “never take a TE early” crowd. I get it with QB because there are a LOT of QB’s that you can find in the later rounds that will still get you decent points each week. TE’s are different. There are some super elite TE’s that are obviously way ahead of the pack, and with 1.5 ppr, their value is even more amplified. So why wouldn’t you take one of them early?
2019 1st for me.10 Team Dynasty, TE premium.
I gave 1.10
I got 2019 1st (will be a top 3 pick)
This owner has no 2018 1st round pick
Tex
I suppose team A is projecting those picks differently because otherwise this trade would make zero sense.12 team ppr
Team A got 2019 1st (was runner up in 2017), 2019 1st (8-12)
Team B got: 2019 1st (likely top 2 or 3) 2019 2nd (top 2 or 3), Peyton Barber
Love these types of trades. Usually happen in my leagues on draft day, on the clock.10 Team Dynasty, TE premium.
I gave 1.10
I got 2019 1st (will be a top 3 pick)
This owner has no 2018 1st round pick
Tex
glad to hear it. that's what I thought. Team A is in a very tough division and is the worst team in that division. Fortunately he thinks his team is going to win it all. I am Team B and in a rebuilding mode.I suppose team A is projecting those picks differently because otherwise this trade would make zero sense.
Traded 1.10/2.10/3.12 for 2019 1/2/3/4. Guy has a decent team but will struggle if he gets injuries. If nothing else it kicked some roster space down the road.Love these types of trades. Usually happen in my leagues on draft day, on the clock.
I've got way too many picks for 2019 (9, and only a projected 6 roster spaces). Good problem to have I guess. I have one offer for Mahomes that I'm hoping is enough to land him and pretty much set me up very well long run, otherwise I will just hold and look to do something like you did on draft day. Worst case scenario I can try to package them to move up.Traded 1.10/2.10/3.12 for 2019 1/2/3/4. Guy has a decent team but will struggle if he gets injuries. If nothing else it kicked some roster space down the road.
According to WalterFootball AJ Brown is the #1 WR prospect for the 2019 class. Since this is a lower RB year, I will assume this would equate to a top 3 1st round pick, also assuming that Brown doesn't give up his top 1-2 ranking. In that case, I would prefer Team BDynasty Superflex and TE premium with Devys - start 9 total 1-2 QB, 2-4 RB, 3-5 WR, 1-3 TE
Team A got: Alex Collins, Josh Gordon and Eric Ebron
Team B got: James White, AJ Brown (WR Mississippi) and Zach Ertz
Yeah I'd take ertz alone over what team A got and I'm not really a fan of Collins but wouldn't avoid him either so I'd take team B easilyDynasty Superflex and TE premium with Devys - start 9 total 1-2 QB, 2-4 RB, 3-5 WR, 1-3 TE
Team A got: Alex Collins, Josh Gordon and Eric Ebron
Team B got: James White, AJ Brown (WR Mississippi) and Zach Ertz
Team B by a lot IMO12 Team PPR
Team A got Keyron Johnson, Golden Tate
Team B got Aaron Jones, Amari Cooper
Team ATeam A gets Marvin Jones/Mark Ingram
Team B gets Golden Tate/Julian Edelman
1.5 ppr
I jumped the gun on posting this. Ended up getting Fitz, 2019 1st, and Lamar Jackson for Thielen.10-team PPR.
Gave Thielen
Got Fitzgerald + 2019 1st (likely mid, in the 1.03-1.06 range)
Was already deep at WR so wasn't too concerned with that downgrade there.
Like it a lot for you. In 10 teamers it’s even more about getting studs, and Lamar has that potential.TheBottomLine said:I jumped the gun on posting this. Ended up getting Fitz, 2019 1st, and Lamar Jackson for Thielen.
Give me the two firsts and an upside player over the guy who might be locked up in a bad fantasy spot for the next 5 years, although i admire the shrewd negotiation skills required to get a 2019 fifth back too.14 team PPR IDP
Team A: Brandin Cooks, 2019 5th
Team B: Trey Burton, 2019 1st, 2020 1st
Hard to say where the picks will be. I’d guess somewhere between 1.06-1.12, in that range.
Burton and the two #1's in a big way...not sure what the new Cooks owner thinks he is getting but I got a feeling he is going to be disappointed...14 team PPR IDP
Team A: Brandin Cooks, 2019 5th
Team B: Trey Burton, 2019 1st, 2020 1st
Hard to say where the picks will be. I’d guess somewhere between 1.06-1.12, in that range.