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Dez
Footballguy
He did offer Metcalf to me to be fair but from me he wanted CEH, Jeudy, my 1st and 2nd round picks...........so ya I rejected that.
Chad Parsons
Moderator
12tm 2QB 2TE
Nick Chubb
FOR
Keenan Allen, 23 1st
Nick Chubb
FOR
Keenan Allen, 23 1st
Chad Parsons
Moderator
12tm 2QB 2TE
Christian Kirk, 2.01, 2.05, 3.09, 22 1st (mid-late)
FOR
Ryan Fitzpatrick, D'Andre Swift
Christian Kirk, 2.01, 2.05, 3.09, 22 1st (mid-late)
FOR
Ryan Fitzpatrick, D'Andre Swift
rockaction
Footballguy
Give me the Swift and Fitzpatrick side in 2 QB leagues. I think that Swift is really the centerpiece here, and he's worth the 2.01, 2.05, and 22 1st. The 3.09 is a prayer, and Kirk is WR3 if you squint hard.
Considering the multiple likes I think it’s easy IMO to see this is hugely weighted to the Swift side. Fitz is worth pretty close to the 2.05 in 2QB. The 3.09 and Kirk are nothing but fliers and hardly carry any weight. For example, Kirk’s startup ADP is the 14th round on 1 source I checked.
So that leaves the 2.01 and a future 1st for Swift. Likely depends which ADP source you check, but Swift goes before Metcalf according to DLF by a few spots. If you were forced would you rather have the 1.06 and 2.10 in exchange for a slightly lessor valued Metcalf then an equivalent 1.10ish in 1QB and future late 1st in a much worse rookie class for a slightly more valuable Swift?
Obviously some of that will come down to personal preference Metcalf vs Swift and 1.06+ 2.10ish vs 1.10ish & future late 1st. Both are equally bad trades but the 6 will get you one of Pitts, Waddle, Smith, Williams, etc. to try to replace Metcalf.
Edit: I missed the 16 teamer for Metcalf. That pushes it towards the Metcalf trade being quite a bit worse actually so I adjusted the value on the 2.06 to 2.10 in a 12 team league. Swift trade is still bad though.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I’m not saying it’s worse than the Metcalf trade but how do you think that Swift deal is close?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
That doesn’t have much to do with “value” though.
I can see some people not being as high on Swift, despite how good he looked last season, I suppose, but that package wasn’t very attractive and Fitzpatrick has value in a 2QB league.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
For about six games.
And in a 2QB league the 2.1 and 2.5 are gong to get you good players.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
Also, it is a 2 QB league so while Fitz is 100 years old he still has legit value in that format...once the season starts if there are a few injuries you could be in position where another owner may have to vastly over-pay for him just to survive yet in this deal he is treated like a throw-in...horrible use of that asset.
Chad Parsons
Moderator
12tm PPR 1QB
Booker, SMiller, 3.07
FOR
AB, JCook
Booker, SMiller, 3.07
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AB, JCook
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
This being a 12 team 2QB 2TE league is very important to the context. RBs are deeply devalued here. I agree that Fitz = 2.05 and the 3rd/Kirk are scraps nothingburgers. So it comes down to 2.01 + 2022 1st for Swift. Roughly two firsts for Swift in a league that devalues RBs is pretty dang close to consensus value. Would I take it? Depends on my roster construction.Buckna said:
Should a guy take the 16 team DK Metcalf trade under any circumstances or roster construction? Absolutely not.
Therefore the Swift deal is better, because there are rosters it makes sense for. In the Metcalf deal, it never makes sense for any roster anywhere.
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
I don't think anybody is paying 2.05 for Fitz in 2QB or SF. Unless it is part of a package and that is what this is. But I feel like a not insignificant portion of the 2.05 remainder must be said to go towards getting Swift.
I think it is a screaming deal but yeah the DK trade is much worse.
I think it is a screaming deal but yeah the DK trade is much worse.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I was offered Fitz, Tyrod, 3.04 for my 2.06 in SF recently and turned it down.
I agree I highly doubt many are willing to give any 2nd for Fitz in SF.
Chad Parsons
Moderator
For context on the Swift-Fitz for picks/Kirk deal....
Team getting Swift-Fitz had 2 starting QBs but dart throws at best otherwise at the position, can start 4 RBs weekly and Swift joins 2-3 other NFL starters and some choice backups. They are a contending team (1st, 2nd and just missed playoffs over the past 3 seasons)
The team giving Swift-Fitz is a complete rebuild with Swift-Jeudy and maybe 1-2 other possible 'build around' players overall. They also don't have their own '21 1st (1.01) or '22 1st (likely early). So they sold Swift to recoup picks I would imagine and Fitz is a must sell, but maybe not now to optimize the return.
Team getting Swift-Fitz had 2 starting QBs but dart throws at best otherwise at the position, can start 4 RBs weekly and Swift joins 2-3 other NFL starters and some choice backups. They are a contending team (1st, 2nd and just missed playoffs over the past 3 seasons)
The team giving Swift-Fitz is a complete rebuild with Swift-Jeudy and maybe 1-2 other possible 'build around' players overall. They also don't have their own '21 1st (1.01) or '22 1st (likely early). So they sold Swift to recoup picks I would imagine and Fitz is a must sell, but maybe not now to optimize the return.
Chad Parsons
Moderator
Dez
Footballguy
Chad Parsons
Moderator
Very affordable for CMC
Chad Parsons
Moderator
Dez
Footballguy
Born to Run
Footballguy
BINGBING
Footballguy
12 team PPR that will switch to Superflex in 2022
Gave: 1.01, 1.02
Got: Cook, Diggs, 2.08
I normally love having a really young team, but with my current roster I couldn't pass it up
L Jackson, M Stafford, R Tannehill
S Barkley, D Cook, J Taylor, C Akers, J Mixon
S Diggs, C Godwin, DJ Moore, K Golladay, C Sutton, Juju, J Reagor, L Shenault, P Campbell, G Davis
TJ Hockenson, D Goedert, L Thomas, Gronk
2.01, 2.02, 2.04, 2.08, 3.02, 3.06
Gave: 1.01, 1.02
Got: Cook, Diggs, 2.08
I normally love having a really young team, but with my current roster I couldn't pass it up
L Jackson, M Stafford, R Tannehill
S Barkley, D Cook, J Taylor, C Akers, J Mixon
S Diggs, C Godwin, DJ Moore, K Golladay, C Sutton, Juju, J Reagor, L Shenault, P Campbell, G Davis
TJ Hockenson, D Goedert, L Thomas, Gronk
2.01, 2.02, 2.04, 2.08, 3.02, 3.06
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DropKick
Footballguy
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Not involved. Dynasty PPR, Superflex
Team A got Austin Ekeler
Team B got AJ Dillon, 2022 First, Jalen Reagor
Team A got Austin Ekeler
Team B got AJ Dillon, 2022 First, Jalen Reagor
I Realize Ekeler's appeal in PPR formats but I'll take the upside over the proven here with Dillon, Reagor and the 1st pretty easily for me.
DropKick
Footballguy
Bizarre... we are talking about the same Jonnu Smith who, along with Hunter Henry, and a questionable QB situation, is now a Patriot?
Is the guy a homer or just that desperate in an above average league size and a scoring system that favors TE? Assuming he's picking 7th this year, I would have tried to see if the 2022 1st could move me up in the draft.
DropKick
Footballguy
Appears to be a series of bad decisions compounded by another bad decision.
Some different evaluations of Swift out there and I'm not sure what he'll amount to... but I wouldn't move one of my possible "build around players" for numerous 2nd+ round or lower picks.
rockaction
Footballguy
I was going to disagree and then thought better of it. The only thing I think might make the deal a little even is that I think Dillon is truly buried barring injury, and I don't think he'll ever be a receiving back. And I'm not high on Reagor. But throw in the first round-pick and if one of Dillon, Reagor, or the first hits, I like that side. What's Ekeler, 26? He's right on the cusp.
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kutta
Footballguy
I’ll take Cook and Diggs pretty easily. Heck, it might take both those picks for me to give up just Cook.
rockaction
Footballguy
I was going to say something like this, but you put it much more aptly than I would have.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I think the Superflex switch makes things tricky. In SF Lawrence alone is going ahead of Cooks in startup drafts, and the 2nd rookie goes ahead of Diggs.
On the flipside it's not SF this year, but switches in 2022.
Dez
Footballguy
Probably more desperate for a TE not a homer but maybe he really likes what Smith did last year to start the year.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
1.08 and darnold also handed a bag full of money to the other team? That's disgusting.
