woodstock
Footballguy
Seems like you'd have to know rosters on this, as this sounds like a contender swapping youth for results. I'm personally not that big on CEH, so I like the Mixon side if you're in contention.
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NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
I heard a couple of guys on a podcast talking about this trade and I was thinking the guy who got CEH must be some kind of dope
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Honestly for me the fact he did what he did last year on two knees that required surgery has made me actually higher on him. But I'd still take the picks and AROB.
Mark Football
Footballguy
I have seen so many high fantasy picks bust over the years. I love making trades like this for youngish star players to leaguemates with rookie fever.
Mark Football
Footballguy
I think they have proven(with their play) that they are not busts and both have a good potential to be top twelve players at their positions. And that is something we do not know yet about those rookies. You might get two top 3 guys though with picks. You might. You might also get a bust.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I've likewise seen so many guys like Sanders/DJM puddle around for a few years before dropping into nothingness.
Not that there are any guarantees but Sanders is one of my top bust picks this year as a guy like Fournette/Conner/Mixon/Kerryon/Mack/Ajayi that does juuuuust enough to string people along for a few years and make people think they have a safe floor before the bottom drops out.
Dacomish
Footballguy
Not involved:
Team A got: Mike Davis, Clyde Edwards-Helare, Jarvis Landry, Mike WIlliams and 2.16
Team B got: Justin Jefferson and 1.02
At first I was like whoa and then when you break down the trade into pieces - 1.02 for CEH and Jefferson for the rest....yea bad.
however to note - It is a TE Premium league at 1.5 PPR (.5 for RB and 1 ppr for WR - TE's are not mandatory start just as a WR/TE flex) so Team B will likely get Pitts as the 1,01 is desperate for a RB and will most likely take Harris.
**Edit** Fantasy Police done been called!
Team A got: Mike Davis, Clyde Edwards-Helare, Jarvis Landry, Mike WIlliams and 2.16
Team B got: Justin Jefferson and 1.02
At first I was like whoa and then when you break down the trade into pieces - 1.02 for CEH and Jefferson for the rest....yea bad.
however to note - It is a TE Premium league at 1.5 PPR (.5 for RB and 1 ppr for WR - TE's are not mandatory start just as a WR/TE flex) so Team B will likely get Pitts as the 1,01 is desperate for a RB and will most likely take Harris.
**Edit** Fantasy Police done been called!
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Not sure why the Jefferson side would even entertain that. Jefferson worth the 1.01 IMO...so 1.01 and 1.02 (at the height of rookie fever) for that seems pretty far off.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
What a horrific trade...for just Jefferson it is bad but the fact the 1.2 is involved means the Fantasy police should be called to the scene of this crime...I wouldn't make this deal just for the 1.2...this truly is one of the "dumbest" deals I have ever seen.
Tha Guru
Footballguy
I’m picturing the guy thinking “Let me ask for the 1.2 just to see if I can settle for the 3.02”.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
That's a bit of a league wrecker.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Yeah I also would not deal pick 2 for that package, let alone Jefferson. But both?? Something fishy there
Boston
Footballguy
Dacomish
Footballguy
I did ask the question as to why and I get the impression the Team A owner simply didn't value Jefferson that much (WTH!) as he just had gotten Tyreek Hill in a different deal and was absolutely in love with CEH. Neither team know each other outside of the league and are in complete different parts of the country.
None of that makes it any more palatable but I think its more of an owner who doesn't quite understand dynasty player values and got all wide eyed with his favorite player dangling rather than collusion.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Definitely could have pulled the trade off with just 1.02 and, if anything, future pick in 2nd or 3rd. In a bubble, none of those guys, Helaire included, helps make the team any better than 1 02 and Jefferson do. Even in a win-now environment... give me JJ and one of the big 3 RBs over the mess of unmentionables he got in return. This is how dynasty teams get ran into the ground.
Boston
Footballguy
My guess is it is an owner who knows names more than actual value...guys like Landry and Williams have a lot of name value but not much value in Dynasty.
Dacomish
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
Birdie048
Footballguy
I shopped AJ Brown around and was in negotiations up until this was accepted (Sanders & TJ Hock and 2022 2nd). Chubb >> Sanders but I see both as varying RBBC roles. I was targeting his CEH and a Top 8 pick, but he countered with Chubb & Damien Harris. And I actually like Harris with Sony's 5th year not picked up. I think he is undervalued.
And yeah, this team was a trainwreck! I imagine previous owner had thrown in the towel early (I saw a total of 5 WW moves all season and ZERO trade offers). I can only imagine what life threw at them...
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Busts is always possible but 1.01 is a lot safer than most. I'd much prefer getting someone with top 1-3 upside like Harris or Chase than someone with top 12 upside like Sanders/Moore.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
This is terrible. The Jefferson owner could have kept 1.2 and this may have been fair. I would hate to see this in my league.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Birdie048
Footballguy
Care to elaborate why? I would appreciate the insight.I would not have done this.
I just do not have faith in Pitt OL and was not comfortable with Najee at 1.01
I was thinking TE Pitts was a possible move but I figured TJ was a quality TE and Sanders filled the gap IMO.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Then take Chase. Or Pitts. Or even Etienne. Williams too. I think they're all better options than Sanders.
Sanders' long term future is quite tenuous. And I don't think Hockenson makes the leap in production people are projecting.
I think, In general, people worry way too much about the TE position. Most people are in the same boat. Make up the points differential with the other positions.
The reason I would not have done it was that 1.01 usually keeps increasing in value as you near the draft as people read articles and get excited for the shiny new toy. Sanders is nowhere near a 1.01 value in most people's eyes as he is a solid RB but not a difference maker.
I generally don't value draft picks as much as others because I think it is a crap shoot for most picks but the 1.01 is a bit different. It's still a crapshoot but the perceived value by most dynasty owners is usually huge. I just think you left value on the table with that move.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
People are so fickle - CEH was the 1.01 in most leagues last season. I'm not saying this is a good trade (it's horrible) but CEH could surely outperform the 1.02 or Jefferson in Year 2 with a presummedly bigger role.
Birdie048
Footballguy
I always appreciate different perspectives ....
I am expecting the value of the 1.01 to depreciate this year. I just don't see Najee Harris as a "clear cut #1 Dynasty Pick".
I was leaning toward taking Pitts at 1.01 over Harris or Chase. My league is start 1-3 RB and I just picked up Chubb & D Harris. TE & QB are my major deficiency. So if I was taking Pitts, getting Sanders & TJ for Pitts was how I viewed it.
Mark Football
Footballguy
I hear you. That kind of upside is good. And maybe our valuations are pretty far apart. I do think sanders has that kind of upside. People are pretty down on him right now. But I'm not. Moore, I'm not so sure about. And I don't know how anyone can know that a player has top 3 upside until we see them play.
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But someone will. It always happens. (and I am not referring to Harris necessarily....but someone will have their clear cut guy whoever that may be) The fact you don't see a clear cut #1 is the reason to shop it for sure but I have no doubt that offer you received would still be available the day of your draft if you wanted it. The 1.01 will always go up in value as the draft approaches. It's the unbridled hope that the player someone wants will hit their absolute peak and the glamour that comes with having the 1.01 pick.
I am with you in that I don't think there is a clear cut guy but you have 9 or 11 other owners that will think there is one guy they must have and that is why the pick will gain value as you get closer to the draft.
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Helaire-ious
Footballguy
The Tahitian Facemask
Footballguy
You in a league with Najee Harris’ mom? Love this to happen when I’m on the clock at 1.3 in my 1QB, PPR with those two gone.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I'm not a fan of this either. I just don't see Sanders as good enough. I get if you aren't a believer in Harris. You probably could have moved down to 3 and taken Chase or Pitts and picked up a TE with it and more. Hock has Goff now who hasn't really been great for TEs.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I don't "know" but we are talking upside. I agree on Moore but some people seem really high on him. If you are that high on Sanders then this isn't a bad trade. I just don't see him in that same light personally.
Looking for some advice/perspective....
10 team 0.5 PPR 1QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/2DL/2LB/2DB Perennial contender, finished 2nd last year. RB is a relative weakness (Chubb, Edmonds, David Johnson, Connor, Drake, Harris, J Wilson, Hyde)
Currently have Kelce, trade offer in place to trade him straight up for Mixon.
I have draft pick slot 9. I have good intel that Pitts will be drafted at slot 1.05 if not 1.04.
Owner of 1.02 asking for 1.09, 2.09, 2022 1st and 2nd to move up to 1.02, where I can get Pitts.
Is moving up for Pitts worth all that draft capital? The Pro is resetting my TE position with a potentially dominant top 2 TE and increasing RB strength. Con is losing all the draft capital. I've read 2022 will be a less talented draft class overall than recent years.
10 team 0.5 PPR 1QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/2DL/2LB/2DB Perennial contender, finished 2nd last year. RB is a relative weakness (Chubb, Edmonds, David Johnson, Connor, Drake, Harris, J Wilson, Hyde)
Currently have Kelce, trade offer in place to trade him straight up for Mixon.
I have draft pick slot 9. I have good intel that Pitts will be drafted at slot 1.05 if not 1.04.
Owner of 1.02 asking for 1.09, 2.09, 2022 1st and 2nd to move up to 1.02, where I can get Pitts.
Is moving up for Pitts worth all that draft capital? The Pro is resetting my TE position with a potentially dominant top 2 TE and increasing RB strength. Con is losing all the draft capital. I've read 2022 will be a less talented draft class overall than recent years.
Boone22
Footballguy
Good move for you. As a Davis owner I wouldn’t move him for 2 3rds. I’d rather get an established player in a position of need for my team or hold onto him as a depth RB for my team.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
That is one way of looking at it and another is he had surgery on both knees in just his 2nd yr and his physical play seems to lead to getting banged up a bit. All good MB, perhaps that's all more perception than reality on my part.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I wouldn't say that, it's just that the targets were split between Everette and Higbee
kutta
Footballguy
Wrong thread - this one is for completed trades. Try the assistant coach forum, or reword a bit for this thread: https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/748837-dynasty-value-discussion-thread/page/241/#comments
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I think this is a really solid move and think the other guy is selling low on someone that could be a solid player for this year at least. These are the types of moves that can help you truly contend but aren't the prettiest.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
That is true as well but to think that you can just put those 2 numbers together (in McVay's offense instead of whatever Detroit will do) and Hock will be that is a mistake to me.
