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1 minute ago, barackdhouse said:

Yea I think so. And I do like Smith


Same here. Eagles are going to take a receiver in the first round, though, if you ask me. They've got three first rounders and need a traditional X receiver. 

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17 minutes ago, rockaction said:


Same here. Eagles are going to take a receiver in the first round, though, if you ask me. They've got three first rounders and need a traditional X receiver. 

It’s hard to imagine they don’t take a WR with one of those picks. Although they may just take three RBs. 

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32 minutes ago, rockaction said:


Same here. Eagles are going to take a receiver in the first round, though, if you ask me. They've got three first rounders and need a traditional X receiver. 

Most mocks I’ve seen have them taking London.  

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1 minute ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Killin me because I’m likely to be in a position to take him. He’s my 2nd favorite WR in the draft. But I am very down on the Eagles passing game. 


Yep. Just listening to a show (videocast) and they said the same thing. 

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39 minutes ago, rockaction said:


Same here. Eagles are going to take a receiver in the first round, though, if you ask me. They've got three first rounders and need a traditional X receiver. 

 

I don't know, I'm dubious of this happening even with 3 #1's. I say that knowing both mocks I've seen have them taking a WR so maybe it's just me but I just don't think Howie wants to spend a #1 on a WR three straight seasons.  Just think he'll look for another use for those resources.

 

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1 minute ago, menobrown said:

I don't know, I'm dubious of this happening even with 3 #1's. I say that knowing both mocks I've seen have them taking a WR so maybe it's just me but I just don't think Howie wants to spend a #1 on a WR three straight seasons.  Just think he'll look for another use for those resources.


I could see not doing it for that reason. Like, enough already. A third straight year burning a #1 on a WR leaves you a bit depleted at the other positions. 

I still think they'll take an X. Reagor is just not up to snuff and I don't see them signing anybody of significance in free agency, but I'm just spitballing there. 

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2 hours ago, menobrown said:

 

I don't know, I'm dubious of this happening even with 3 #1's. I say that knowing both mocks I've seen have them taking a WR so maybe it's just me but I just don't think Howie wants to spend a #1 on a WR three straight seasons.  Just think he'll look for another use for those resources.

 

I am in the camp that says talented complimentary receivers make each other better, make an offense better, and really good offenses can support multiple fantasy options. I think drafting a WR high and having it pan out would be a good thing for Smith.

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1 hour ago, barackdhouse said:

I am in the camp that says talented complimentary receivers make each other better, make an offense better, and really good offenses can support multiple fantasy options. I think drafting a WR high and having it pan out would be a good thing for Smith.

Fantasy people can be funny sometimes.  Some will sit around scared of drafting a JuJu or Ridley after a stud leaves and then be worried about investing in a WR due to possibility of the team adding another a WR.

I do think rockaction is correct, the Eagles could use an X, I can't say I'm worried about it if they do, could be bad, could be good. What they do or don't do at QB is more key IMO.

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4 hours ago, menobrown said:

Fantasy people can be funny sometimes.  Some will sit around scared of drafting a JuJu or Ridley after a stud leaves and then be worried about investing in a WR due to possibility of the team adding another a WR.

I do think rockaction is correct, the Eagles could use an X, I can't say I'm worried about it if they do, could be bad, could be good. What they do or don't do at QB is more key IMO.

Would agree as well. IMO I also don’t see them holding on to all 3 picks in their current spots either. Obviously takes 2 to Tango, but they seem prime candidates for packaging 2 of those into a move up for an impact stud player and/or moving down out of one of the picks to accumulate some 2023 draft capital.

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15 hours ago, ghostguy123 said:

FFPC (regular)

Cam Akers

for

Devonta Smith, 2023 2nd (middle of road team), 2023 4th

I think that's a win for you, but you know my thoughts on Cam already.  :)

For others out there, Achilles tendon tears have fairly poor outcomes as far as NFL players go. 

 

 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/2473011417S000314#:~:text=Results%3A 78 Achilles tendon ruptures,to play in the NFL.

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10 minutes ago, InDitkaWeTrust said:

I think that's a win for you, but you know my thoughts on Cam already.  :)

For others out there, Achilles tendon tears have fairly poor outcomes as far as NFL players go. 

 

 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/2473011417S000314#:~:text=Results%3A 78 Achilles tendon ruptures,to play in the NFL.


We know the history of Achilles' tendon tears, but we aren't privy to any medical advances or refined surgeries. We also don't know the extent of Akers's injury because the Rams always lie. Always.

Anyway, everybody here knew of the problem returning from Achilles tendon tears. It was debated hotly in three different threads. I know you're new so you missed it, but we already hashed it out in great detail. 

Akers looks back and healed and ready to go to some of us. 

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16 hours ago, ghostguy123 said:

FFPC (regular)

Cam Akers

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Devonta Smith, 2023 2nd (middle of road team), 2023 4th

 

I would take Smith here...between his injury and the fact I don't trust McVay not to continually add quality RBs to his stable I have no issue moving on from Akers although I do understand that comes with a risk...obviously Hurts is the big question mark as far as Smith really blowing-up but I feel confident Smith will continue to put up better numbers and be a quality WR for a lot longer than what you will get out of Akers and if Hurts improves or Philly obtains a legit passing QB Smith could be a stud...that second round pick is a nice little asset to add as well. 

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On 1/23/2022 at 4:16 PM, northern exposure said:

 

Team A gives: (2022) 2.09 and 2.12 picks 

Team B gives: 2023 1st 

 

I can't figure out how anyone would make a move like this unless a guy they liked fell to 2.09 during the draft. It makes ZERO sense to make a move like that now.

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16 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Killin me because I’m likely to be in a position to take him. He’s my 2nd favorite WR in the draft. But I am very down on the Eagles passing game. 

Hurts will either improve as a passer or be replaced - maybe even mid-season if they keep Minshew around. He was exposed in the playoffs as a guy that can get a team to the playoffs but that's the ceiling right now. I don't think he reads defenses well so I do not see a big improvement coming - but they probably have to give him another season.

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2 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Hurts will either improve as a passer or be replaced - maybe even mid-season if they keep Minshew around. He was exposed in the playoffs as a guy that can get a team to the playoffs but that's the ceiling right now. I don't think he reads defenses well so I do not see a big improvement coming - but they probably have to give him another season.

 

Agreed...the x-factor in all this is with three first round picks the Eagles are in a prime position to draft a legit prospect while also addressing other needs...the downside of that is their will be QB controversy headaches happening as soon as that pick gets made and that can take on a life of its own, especially in a media market like Philly.

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6 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I can't figure out how anyone would make a move like this unless a guy they liked fell to 2.09 during the draft. It makes ZERO sense to make a move like that now.

I agree. I could understand making the move with the hope that the 2nd round picks end up higher than expected. But, both trades were made after our league playoffs were done and the 2022 rookie draft order was set.

The first time the owner traded the picks for a 2023 1st I was shocked. Then when he reacquired the picks and moved them for another 2023 1st, I was speechless. 
 

In another 12 team non-PPR dynasty, I was offered the 2022 3.04 pick for my 2023 2nd round pick. So, others are trying the same move.

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21 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

I am in the camp that says talented complimentary receivers make each other better, make an offense better, and really good offenses can support multiple fantasy options. I think drafting a WR high and having it pan out would be a good thing for Smith.

I would agree with you but it has to be an offense/QB that can support it and Hurts isn't that IMO.

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6 hours ago, Boston said:

 

Agreed...the x-factor in all this is with three first round picks the Eagles are in a prime position to draft a legit prospect while also addressing other needs...the downside of that is their will be QB controversy headaches happening as soon as that pick gets made and that can take on a life of its own, especially in a media market like Philly.

It would seem there’s already a QB controversy regardless. 💡 

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3 hours ago, northern exposure said:

In another 12 team non-PPR dynasty, I was offered the 2022 3.04 pick for my 2023 2nd round pick. So, others are trying the same move.

This is a typical equal value assessment when giving up a future pick.  Rule of thumb is one round better for current year pick.  So a 3rd in 2022 usually equates to a 2nd in 2023.  At least that is a typical rule of thumb for value purposes for most people.  

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2 hours ago, Gally said:

This is a typical equal value assessment when giving up a future pick.  Rule of thumb is one round better for current year pick.  So a 3rd in 2022 usually equates to a 2nd in 2023.  At least that is a typical rule of thumb for value purposes for most people.  

I understand that. But in my experience these types of trades occur when somebody is trying to sweeten the deal to acquire a roster player. Or when somebody is trying to acquire a draft pick during a rookie draft because one of their player targets is still available. 
 

I didn’t expect to see this trade offer so soon after the end of the dynasty season and with the 2022 draft class being so widely panned as weak and shallow.

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1 hour ago, northern exposure said:

I understand that. But in my experience these types of trades occur when somebody is trying to sweeten the deal to acquire a roster player. Or when somebody is trying to acquire a draft pick during a rookie draft because one of their player targets is still available. 
 

I didn’t expect to see this trade offer so soon after the end of the dynasty season and with the 2022 draft class being so widely panned as weak and shallow.

I feel like a lot of folks prefer the 2023 draft to the 2022. I’d happily get a 2023 2nd for a hamburger today. 

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23 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I can't figure out how anyone would make a move like this unless a guy they liked fell to 2.09 during the draft. It makes ZERO sense to make a move like that now.

Yep, those may be some of the worst trades I’ve seen posted here in a while. Not like the ones where people give away studs for peanuts but one’s that makes zero logical sense. Even in SF, late 2nds are low hit rates and often 3rd or 4th tier break level prospects in most years. The 2022 QB class is one of the weakest in years making those picks worth much less than normal too.

Every once in a while people post example trades in here of a future 1st for like the 2.03 because there is a prospect still on the board they love, but as you said makes zero sense to do that months before the draft and for 2nd’s so late in the round.

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13 hours ago, Gally said:

This is a typical equal value assessment when giving up a future pick.  Rule of thumb is one round better for current year pick.  So a 3rd in 2022 usually equates to a 2nd in 2023.  At least that is a typical rule of thumb for value purposes for most people.  

 

That is not a rule I subscribe to in fantasy...IMO unlike real football in fantasy football there is a much bigger difference between a second and a third-round pick...a third in Dynasty is a much bigger dart thru than a second and a #1 will always have a lot more value than a #2 if it is in consecutive years...as stated above the big exception is if you are on the clock and a player you really covet is unexpectedly available.

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3 hours ago, Boston said:

 

That is not a rule I subscribe to in fantasy...IMO unlike real football in fantasy football there is a much bigger difference between a second and a third-round pick...a third in Dynasty is a much bigger dart thru than a second and a #1 will always have a lot more value than a #2 if it is in consecutive years...as stated above the big exception is if you are on the clock and a player you really covet is unexpectedly available.

Typically these kind of things happen when there is a player someone covets in the current year that is still available.  The minus one rule is an easy rule of thumb but every situation is different.  

 

What started this is an odd situation that it is happening kind of out of the blue.  My guess is the guy getting the 23 pick is buying into the narrative that 23 is going to be a much better draft than 22 and the guy getting the 22 picks is more of a bird in the hand kind of guy.  I don't necessarily think it's a bad trade on the surface just kind of an odd timing for a trade like this.  

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13 hours ago, northern exposure said:

I understand that. But in my experience these types of trades occur when somebody is trying to sweeten the deal to acquire a roster player. Or when somebody is trying to acquire a draft pick during a rookie draft because one of their player targets is still available. 
 

I didn’t expect to see this trade offer so soon after the end of the dynasty season and with the 2022 draft class being so widely panned as weak and shallow.

I agree it's an odd timing.  My guess is the guy getting the 23 pick is believing the narrative that the 23 draft is much better than the 22 draft and the 22 guy is a bird in the hand kind of thinker.  

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14 hours ago, robb said:

Team A trades D Hop & 2022 3rd rounder

Team B trades Hurts, Penny & J Meyers


I’ll take the Hurts/Meyers/Penny side. I think Meyers is an underrated target, probably looking at Mac Jones top or 2nd choice target for the next four plus years, Penny could of course bust but the payoff/ceiling could be really great if he can stay fit now, and Hurts will at least be a reasonable fill in QB for the points he gets with his legs, whilst he still starts games. 

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1 hour ago, bro1ncos said:

1 QB PPR

Team A gives - Dak Prescott 

Team B gives - DeShaun Watson and Darnell Mooney

 

Free Mooney +.

Watson likely misses some time next year so understand the hassle of that but Dak's fantasy season last year was worse then any fantasy season Watson ever had and that was with a loaded supporting cast. Put another way Dak's best fantasy season other then 5 games in 2020 was about on par with Watson's worst. By every measure I can come up with Watson is a better fantasy QB then Dak and to me that's worth the wait.

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9 minutes ago, menobrown said:

 

Free Mooney +.

Watson likely misses some time next year so understand the hassle of that but Dak's fantasy season last year was worse then any fantasy season Watson ever had and that was with a loaded supporting cast. Put another way Dak's best fantasy season other then 5 games in 2020 was about on par with Watson's worst. By every measure I can come up with Watson is a better fantasy QB then Dak and to me that's worth the wait.

OK, great analysis of these 2 QBs. Any thoughts on where K. Murray fits in compared to Dak and Watson?

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1 minute ago, robb said:

OK, great analysis of these 2 QBs. Any thoughts on where K. Murray fits in compared to Dak and Watson?

Thanks and I actually have team with Watson and Kyler and  gave some thought a few weeks ago to which one I put a higher value on. I have Kyler over Dak and closer to Watson but still think Watson is a better fantasy(and real life) QB then Kyler but the unknown and likely missed games from Watson would likely be enough to sway me to preferring Kyler. That's a close call to me but for sure the market does not agree, Kyler I assume would be considered far more valuable.

If I knew Watson was going to play week one or say week 4 I'd prefer him. Right now I'm ballparking him miss 6-8 games and realize that could be worse, not likely to be a lot better.

 

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FFPC; 2 different league; both 1QB

trade 1: not involved

Team A gives: 1.04

Team B (league winner) gives: 2023 1st

trade 2: not involved

Team A gives: 1.06, Albert O, Gus Edwards

Team B gives: Rashod Bateman, 2023 1st (likely non playoff team and top 6)

 

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23 minutes ago, BigAl21 said:

FFPC; 2 different league; both 1QB

trade 1: not involved

Team A gives: 1.04

Team B (league winner) gives: 2023 1st

trade 2: not involved

Team A gives: 1.06, Albert O, Gus Edwards

Team B gives: Rashod Bateman, 2023 1st (likely non playoff team and top 6)

 

A guy gave pick 4 this year for a projected late 2023 1st??  Yeesh

That 2nd trade the guy killed it.  Bateman and a projected high future 1st all day over pick 6 this year.   You might even say he got the future 1st for free.  Or maybe Bateman for free

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Made 2 moves today.

12 team IDP SF PPR
Balanced scoring between IDP and offense. Contract league. 
 

Gave: AJB (1), Higgins (2), Patrick Queen (3)

Got: Justin Jefferson (4), Isaiah Simmons (3), Jeremy Chinn (2)

 

Gave: Fournette (1), J. Palmer (3), N. Collins (3), ‘23 2nd

Got: Damien Harris (1), Van Jefferson (4), Deion Jones (1), ‘23 4th

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20 hours ago, bro1ncos said:

1 QB PPR

Team A gives - Dak Prescott 

Team B gives - DeShaun Watson and Darnell Mooney

 

I have no issues moving on from Watson since his legal issues still appear to be not close to resolution although I would have liked this deal more last year when it really felt like he was gonna miss the year...while Watson is the better QB Dak is a solid fantasy QB who despite a tough slump during the year still ended up with 4449-37 in 16 games...overall I think what your QB unit looks like influences this deal...if I have a another high-end QB than adding Watson makes sense but if I didn't I would sit tight with Dak because if a worst case scenario happens to him legally you are now in big trouble.

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10 hours ago, BigAl21 said:

FFPC; 2 different league; both 1QB

trade 1: not involved

Team A gives: 1.04

Team B (league winner) gives: 2023 1st

trade 2: not involved

Team A gives: 1.06, Albert O, Gus Edwards

Team B gives: Rashod Bateman, 2023 1st (likely non playoff team and top 6)

 

 

First trade is just stupid...I like the Bateman side on the second one...you get a WR who showed some real upside despite missing a decent amount of time and you recoup the #1 that has a chance to be a high one...1.6 is a good pick but Bateman makes up for that and Edwards and AO are just touching the fringes of a roster and absolutely not the type of players that should move the need on this type of deal. 

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12 Team PPR 1QB

Team is aging out and I need to get younger.  Won two championships in a row a couple years back but now need to get out of the middle.  
 

Gave: Ekeler and Melvin Gordon 

Got: Chris Godwin, James Robinson, Jared Patterson and a 2023 2nd

Was trying to deal Kamara  but there is literally zero interest in this league and it’s been that way now since last off-season.  Tried this deal first with Kamara but no go…also, no one willing to deal firsts in either 2022 or 2023 so had to explore younger players as options.

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12 hours ago, BigAl21 said:

FFPC; 2 different league; both 1QB

trade 1: not involved

Team A gives: 1.04

Team B (league winner) gives: 2023 1st

that’s a horrible deal unless they know it’ll be a top 4 pick in 2023, and even then  they should have received more than a direct swap.

yuck

12 hours ago, BigAl21 said:

Team A gives: 1.06, Albert O, Gus Edwards

Team B gives: Rashod Bateman, 2023 1st (likely non playoff team and top 6)

2nd deal isn’t bad - gimme the Bateman/2023 1st side. 

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