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The deciding factor was I am loaded at receiver so he was a luxury at this point. I enjoy planting seeds for the future especially with pieces that will have trouble seeing my starting lineup. I am on the fence about him but he obviously has talent and youth on his side. If I was not as stout at that position I would have sat tight.
Tough to pass on a first round pick... And you've got the depth.
I probably take the Gordon side. I’m not sold on Vaughn as a future asset.
Diggs and Knox are not going away. Bills just lost to the Chiefs so they are not going to skimp on adding weapons IMO. This is especially true of Beasley and Sanders are gone. Then you have Mackenzie as you mentioned who had a breakout game and I am not sure where he fits in. I do know the Bills time is now and they seem like a smart organization. I believe they will do what they have to do to surround their franchise quarterback with weapons to succeed. Whether or not Davis ends up ascending past those guys in the pecking order is the million dollar question. I can see the other side as well. Historical performance and teamed with Allen. Again, I would have hung on if my receivers were not the strength of my team.
Outside of a handful of games he was pretty useless this year as the starting RB. I'm fairly confident he will not be starting next season, so I'd say his value is that he's borderline rosterable in 2023.
agreed completely.
I wish I still owned G. Davis because I would be selling all day for a single first.
In general I agree with you, but a smart dynasty owner is a few moves ahead of their competition. Having said that, I wouldn't give a 1st for Davis, but I wouldn't take a 2nd. He's a nice hold to see what happens.
Well sure - but trading a first round pick for him after a career playoff game isn't being "ahead of the competition" - it's being "reactive". Overly so, imo,
Then you would know that I said I wouldn't give a first and wouldn't take a 2nd. You related my statement saying a good dynasty owner stays a few moves ahead of their competition with insinuating I agreed with the trade of giving the first, which my statement afterwards clearly does not. One can stay ahead of the competition in many ways and making good trades is one of them, but I clearly didn't agree with giving a 1st for Davis. That may change in the coming years however.
The owner in my main dynasty league kept posting all during his breakout game in our GroupMe Chat that he was on the block, etc etc and that he was looking to move him for a 22 or 23 1st.agreed completely.
There is even a poster in here that said they weren't sure if they would sell for 3 firsts. Then denied recency bias.
He may be thankful later a trade wasn't made, but I don't blame him for trying to get a 1st. I sure as hell wouldn't take a 2nd now. Earlier in the year I would have jumped on a 2nd for Davis. He's a hold and see IMO.
I agree. 22 years old and attached to Allen for the foreseeable future certainly reduces risk and gives him a ton of upside. If he continues to develop, I could see WR 2/3 upside which I'd be happy with on a late 1st pick. The risk is short term as well since we'll know this off season where he stands if they don't spend a bunch of capital on another WR.
Sorry, but you have to include my entire post for context. Not just pull out the first part and make it what you will.
Well, it is common courtesy in communications to take my entire post into context, not just take one part to change the overall narrative. But go ahead and do that if you want. By the way, I loved Seinfeld.
I mean, to be fair, you’re not really planting your flag either way with Davis here. You’re basically just hedging your bet. You wouldn’t trade a 1st for him, but you also wouldn’t accept a 2nd for him. Okay. Great. You and 90% of the rest of the dynasty community.
You have to consider current value and not overpay by a lot and I value 1st round picks more than most do. If you don't, then knock yourself out and give the first, it may payoff later. I'm not 100% sure Davis will carry 1st round value this time next year, but he sure carries more than mid to late 2nd right now. If I had a gun put to my head I would say his value right now is early 2nd. You can call that hedging your bets, but to me it is a smart thing to do. I would try and offer a late 2nd plus a player if I really wanted to go after him. If I owned him I would have to consider being offered a 1st, especially in a WR deep draft. Not saying I would do that either if it was a late 1st, but I would consider it.
This seems like an overpay for Gordon being as though he may not even be a Bronco next year. Not that they gave up much though in what is expected to be a weak draft. I don't really have a problem with it but think I'd stay away from Gordon until I knew more.
I think this is a great move. Great sell high after a monster game pumped up his value. I like this especially in a year in 2023 that should be good.
I was the poster, and It was said tongue-in-cheek. I was being hyperbolic. And I said as much a few posts later.smbkrypt24 said:agreed completely.
There is even a poster in here that said they weren't sure if they would sell for 3 firsts. Then denied recency bias.
I agree that it’s a better move than trading him for a 2022 1st, but I still question taking a single 1st for a player who appears to be ascending.Jonesin For Some Football said:
I was the poster, and It was said tongue-in-cheek. I was being hyperbolic. And I said as much a few posts later.
The whole point was about recency bias and questioning how much that playoff game inflated his value. And the fact that Davis has been ascending for 2 seasons - which isn’t recency bias. In the detailed analysis I’d posted of Davis I actually deliberately left that playoff game out, so I’m not sure why you’re so bent on misrepresenting that. It’s right there in my post & I explicitly said that I left the 4 TD game out.
then over the next few posts we engaged in an interesting discussion & thought experiment - and then the real question was whether one would take 2 late 1sts in 2022, the 1.11 & 1.12
i maintain that I would not take those 2 picks for Davis, (reasoning has already been posted), but you seem more interested in misrepresenting that conversation than actually engaging in useful discussion, so….yeah.
Just leaving this here so you don’t feel “misrepresented.”
Winston could be a nice buy low right now. Not sure if he is staying with Saints, but could be a starter somewhere next year and in SF that’s valuable.
I hold four 1st rounders and four other 2nd rounders. That 2.11 would have been my 9th rookie if I didn't move any picks. It is mostly just a dart throw at Vaughn in case the depth chart breaks for him this year. Which it might.
No worries there, I am done. I didn’t mention him by name because I thought it would get to a back and forth match. That conversation is over for me.
Here - I'll save you the time:
Uh huh. You can apologize any time.
I'm done. When someone misrepresents me, it forces me to correct them. It's unfortunate when it happens.
I like this deal - I think Winston might have something. It's worth a late '23 pick to find out.
I like this deal too.
Agree completely. I doubt he even has a significant role. So it makes that a complete gamble. Dynasty “Roster clogger” is my best guess.Dr. Octopus said:
I get your argument. You are a Davis believer. I am not as much but he does have upside. Diggs still there and any team I have Davis wouldn't be a starter and probably isn't going to become that any time soon anyways so I'd rather take the 1st and swing for the fences as I don't believe Davis is a swing. He will never be a WR1 on a fantasy team. Comes down to how much you value picks and any WR (many of them available) that isn't even a WR2 right now is probably not worth a 1st in a deep draft.
Now this was a great move here. Got in to the better draft and added a free Davis. I like that a lot.
I'd say Wilson/Etienne in SF but if you are deep at QB (like Russ is your QB3) then I have no problem making this trade if Kupp makes you a true contender. If trading from strength and improving your team by a lot while doing so.
