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MaxThreshold
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I will be curious to see how this evolves generationally. I've had this discussion multiple times with my parents where they're more socially conservative as a generation than I or any of my friends who ever identified as conservative. I don't know a single person my age range (30's) who opposed gay marriage (Rep or Dem) as an example.
What seems to disappoint me most is while I consider myself more socially liberal as noted above, neither of the current parties comes across to me as fiscally responsible at all. That makes me wonder what will happen as we start to age as I feel the socially liberal aspect has already taken root but cannot figure out what will happen fiscally.
What seems to disappoint me most is while I consider myself more socially liberal as noted above, neither of the current parties comes across to me as fiscally responsible at all. That makes me wonder what will happen as we start to age as I feel the socially liberal aspect has already taken root but cannot figure out what will happen fiscally.
cstu
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MaxThreshold
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Seems how this is always the excuse whenever history rears it's ugly head for the Democrats. I think this was the same excuse when the Democrats voted against Civil Rights too.
HTH.
cstu
Footballguy
Social liberalism is here to stay - just look at the lack of reaction to the legalization of gay marriage. That was a cornerstone issue for decades but the Supreme Court allowed it and...crickets.
Fiscally there will always be a fight over taxes vs. social spending. The frustrating thing about the debate (or rather lack thereof) over fiscal policy is that one side brings nothing to the table about the issue beside "lower taxes" without a reasonable plan to reduce spending (and the inevitable problems it would cause).
timschochet
Footballguy
He's not talking about Democrats and Republicans. He's talking about liberals and conservatives. Why is this so hard for you?
NREC34
Footballguy
He rode the short bus in school?
HellToupee
Footballguy
This is really an ugly statement . There has to be parents of kids with special needs here at fbg . No need for this crapHe rode the short bus in school?
bud29
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Jobber
Footballguy
You nailed it. I want fiscal conservative who won't kick in my door and ruin my life over smoking a joint.
MaxThreshold
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Great speech, because that's all it was. It was the Republicans who brought this issue home as a good portion of Democrats opposed all that:
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cstu
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cstu
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You need to rethink what it meant to be Democrat and Republican back then - both parties were split on civil rights with Southerners of both parties against it:
By party and region
So Southern politicians, regardless of party, were 8 in favor and 118 against (note that zero Southern Republicans voted in favor).
Once Nixon starting to court them most racist Democrats switched to the Republican Party.
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IvanKaramazov
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Honestly, this is one of those posts that just calls for a **** right off response. Seriously, you should **** off and I'll take a timeout over this.
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IvanKaramazov
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Mods: Please note that I went out of my way to circumvent the language filter to tell cstu to **** off. If you would like to run a forum in which it is okay to accuse people of racial genocide because you don't like their politics but not okay to emphatically tell those folks what to do with themselves, then that is on you.
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bud29
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timschochet
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It's not true anyhow. Woodrow Wilson, who is generally considered the "father of modern liberalism", did nothing to make lynching illegal. Neither did FDR, though he was begged to do it by civil right leaders such as Walter White (not the one who knocks).
His larger point, I suspect, is that liberalism is responsible for promoting the Civil Rights movement, while conservatives were generally opposed to it. This is pretty much correct. Non racist conservatives (and this represents most of them outside of the south) were too enamored with the ideas of states' rights and non-intereference in business.
BigSteelThrill
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NutterButter
Footballguy
Same here. I know I'm not conservative but have no idea if I liberal, moderate, socialist or libertarian. I need a site where I can answer a bunch of questions and it can tell me what I am.
Arizona Ron
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cstu
Footballguy
I don't want you to get banned, I'd prefer you to explain where I'm wrong about liberals being the ones who moved the country forward on social issues.
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cstu
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Exactly. I hate that 'liberal' is a derogatory word when all of the social advances we've made are thanks them. Just because individual liberals go too far or not far enough on issues or are simply flawed people like Wilson doesn't mean that liberal ideals haven't moved this country in a positive direction. I do think liberals need some push back when their ideas get wacky, but I'm thankful there were people willing to rock the boat to do what was right.It's not true anyhow. Woodrow Wilson, who is generally considered the "father of modern liberalism", did nothing to make lynching illegal. Neither did FDR, though he was begged to do it by civil right leaders such as Walter White (not the one who knocks).
His larger point, I suspect, is that liberalism is responsible for promoting the Civil Rights movement, while conservatives were generally opposed to it. This is pretty much correct. Non racist conservatives (and this represents most of them outside of the south) were too enamored with the ideas of states' rights and non-intereference in business.
timschochet
Footballguy
That's why I always support the ACLU with money, even when I disagree with them (like on the NSA). Because they're fighting the good fight.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I want more of my money going to my family, less to programs like welfare and similar. Honestly, I want out of SS altogether, I'll keep the $7500 a year and let it grow myself, I don't need a program that won't exist when it's my turn to collect. I don't want to contribute any more money to countries that hate us.
In fact, the only place I want any tax going to is civil servants, infrastructure, schools, and military. I don't want to pay for anything else and I feel I already lose way too much from my check to begin with.
cstu
Footballguy
Thank you, that clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the meaning of "fiscally conservative".
timschochet
Footballguy
Its pretty extreme. I want a safety net. I want government investment in alternate energy and fighting climate change. I want foreign aid and contributions to fight world hunger and disease. I want every American to have access to healthcare, basic housing and food. But I don't want wasteful spending. I don't like corporate subsidies. I think the government as a whole is way more inefficient than the private sector. I think there is too much red tape on business. I think the corporate tax rate is too high. I strongly believe in free trade. So I consider myself a fiscal conservative, just not at the level of fantasycurse.
Drifter
Footballguy
Which was the whole point of this poll. MoP asserted elsewhere that the FFA was overwhelmingly liberal which I thought was horse ####.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
How many people voted for the opposite affiliate to skew the results and prove a point?
flysack
Footballguy
If the GOP adopted this position, they'd have a lot more respect from their opponents (like myself) and I suspect would rule the day. Instead they've collapsed into a bunch of radical loony sheep herders instead of leaders.
chauncey
Footballguy
Liberals keep moving further to the left and "conservatives" are following them. If you ignore the far right radical religious folk (which is a very small percentage) the modern Republican candidate looks like a Democrat from 10 years ago. This is why the party is in shambles and guys like Trump, Cruz, and Carson lead the polls.Conservatives keep pushing the "middle" further and further to the left with theirtendencies.
chauncey
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pollardsvision
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What % of FBG's have a political ideology that could basically be boiled down to....."stop taxing the #### out of me and pot should be legal in every state"?
I'd guess around 70%.
I don't typically vote, but when I hear a VA politician make that his platform, it would get me to the polls (and I don't even smoke pot).
I'd guess around 70%.
I don't typically vote, but when I hear a VA politician make that his platform, it would get me to the polls (and I don't even smoke pot).
chauncey
Footballguy
I believe in personal responsibility and don't give a #### if you like to forget it (smoke pole) or have an imaginary friend in the sky. However you choose to spend you free time is up to you.
I don't care for anyone who tries to push their beliefs on others or shame and slander those who disagree.
Modern liberals/SJWs and religious nuts are basically the same person nowadays.
Not sure which category I should vote for.
I don't care for anyone who tries to push their beliefs on others or shame and slander those who disagree.
Modern liberals/SJWs and religious nuts are basically the same person nowadays.
Not sure which category I should vote for.
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TheMagus
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I believe I'm fiscally conservative and what I mean by that is - I want our elected officials to treat our tax dollars as if it is coming out of their own pockets or as if they are running a business instead of treating our money like there is a never-ending supply. I want them to evaluate a budget and every once in a while say, "We can't afford that." I want them to prioritize and make good decisions as if they would be going bankrupt or out of business if they make bad ones. They should view their job primarily based on the success of the economy and actively work to drive towards that. Government employees should be held to the same compensation structures and standards as apply to those in the private sector. Government projects should be run the same way projects are run in the private sector striving for efficiency, cost savings, and return on investment. They should make reasonable, logical, business-like decisions for all spending proposals across the board. And they should be actively working to cut costs wherever they reasonably can because there is not a magic money tree funding them.
That being said, I don't think any party represents how I feel because they both spend money like drunken sailors, just on different things.
That being said, I don't think any party represents how I feel because they both spend money like drunken sailors, just on different things.
NutterButter
Footballguy
Personally I agree with you, but the problem is that so many people including people on this very board wouldn't save up a dime for retirement and you'll just wind up supporting them anyways. Its probably better that you force them to save at least something for retirement.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
The premise of the idea was good, but in practice the program will result in a huge fail - If I want to opt out, that should be my choice. If people are too irresponsible to save for themselves, I want no part in supporting them later in life. Obviously none of this will happen, but this is how'd I vote on these issues if given the choice.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
iI can assure you that Liberals hate wasteful spending just as much as fiscal conservatives. I hate when people suggest they're fiscal conservatives because they dislike waste; it implies non-fiscal conservatives somehow enjoy waste.
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