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RB Christian McCaffrey, SF (3 Viewers)
- Thread starter TripItUp
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pantherclub
Footballguy
Thats literally LOL funny right thereRun It Up said:
steelers1080
Footballguy
I think I'm going to end up with CMC in my draft, and I'm kind of disappointed. Fournette, Davis, and Mixon are projected to go 1, 2, 3 and I have picks 4 and 5. I loved him coming out of school and was hopeful in the draft, but as the draft has gotten further and further away my excitement has dropped because of the situation in Carolina. Hope I'm wrong since he'll be on my team, but I don't think Cam knows what to do with a pass catching RB and he'll vulture at least some of CMC's possible TDs.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
That's always an issue with rookies - but even more so with him like you say.
My early projections: 720 rushing yards - 4 TDs / 44 receptions for 370 yards - 3 TDs
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
First off, Bush only played 2 years in MIA. The third year he hit 200 carries he was in DET. And he only got that work load because in each case there was virtually no alternative. The competition in MIA was Daniel Thomas and in DET was Joique Bell. Neither team had any feasible alternative so they were forced to run Bush. On top of that, 200 carries is hardly a bell cow workload, and no Bush was not an effective runner between the tackles.
I know you love your alternative facts in making your arguments, but in comparing McCaffrey to Bush you are speaking about a RB in McCaffrey who has a complete game and Bush who was limited by his inability to make an impact on interior runs.
McCaffrey may fail, only time will tell. But at this stage he is a much more complete back than Bush ever was. Hell, Bush surrendered inside runs in college to LenWhale White. He couldn't get it done tackle to tackle at that level, much less the bigs. That's not an issue for McCaffrey.
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Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Bump. I miss seeing my guy's name on the first few pages. I've read enough about Dalvin Cook and Joe Mixon. McCaffrey is better than both.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Zyphros
Footballguy
Same here. If he does fail, it'll be due to Cam and the Panthers, not McCaffrey himself.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
No.
OK, is RunItUp the former "Brewtown" guy from here? I'm starting to see some parallels.
I could be mistaken but I believe Brewtown is the poster going by the name Dr Dan now.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I mean, come on. I don't like Cam, but it's not like he's inept. How hard is it to hand the ball off or throw a screen? Things change. It seems like the Panthers want to.
If he fails they can all share some of the blame.
Zyphros
Footballguy
When I say "fail" I mean "doesn't live up to the hype and isn't as involved as we would hope". Totally agree that they want to, but history of Cam himself doesn't provide much optimism about using McCaffrey properly. I can see it now, 5 yard check down bullet to his face. That's my issue, but I do believe Cam can make adjustments and get McCaffrey in good situations. Cam is the question mark of utilizing him, not McCaffrey's talent. In a way it would be on McCaffrey too, but like any player it's not all their fault for a coach not using them. First thing that popped in my mind was Ryan Mathews in SD with Norv Turner constantly taking him off the field.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I get that Cam at this point is more likely to take off running than dump off to a RB, but not all passes to RBs are of the dump off variety. If the Panthers make a concerted effort to call more RB screens or passes into the flat, I think Cam would be fine making those throws. In prior seasons their pass catching back was Fozzy Whitaker - how many teams are going to run their offense through him?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Run It Up
Footballguy
Did I miss something, what is this in reference to?
OK, is RunItUp the former "Brewtown" guy from here? I'm starting to see some parallels.
Either way I've been here for years, rocking my peers and putting suckers in fear - making the tears rain down like a monsoon.
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Zyphros
Footballguy
It's a reference to a guy named Brewtown who use to be around here. He's pretty famous around these parts.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ok, I get what you are saying. I just think CMC should be used in the slot at times and run more advanced routes like a Woodhead, Riddick, Tyreek Hill. Those routes will require Cam to be play a kind of football that he hasn't really shown yet. I just find the Panthers offense confusing and I'm not sure if it has been constructed well.
Dan Hindery
Moderator
The Dave Gettleman firing today is interesting and I can't help but view it as a slight negative in regard to McCaffrey going forward. The McCaffrey pick felt like more of a GM decision that the head coach just went along with than one where everyone was 100% on board and excited. And now the GM is gone and I wonder if the very early returns on McCaffrey had any role in the decision.
I always like to watch the GM/Coach press conferences of the top skill position draft picks to get an idea about how the team envisions them fitting in to their plans. I thought there was a real disconnect in how Rivera talked about McCaffrey vs. how Gettleman talked about him. I mentioned it briefly in my post-draft rookie rankings:
In short, I'm worried about McCaffrey's fantasy impact this year and think he's being overdrafted at his current ADP. I've also bumped him down to 5th in rookie dynasty rankings.
I always like to watch the GM/Coach press conferences of the top skill position draft picks to get an idea about how the team envisions them fitting in to their plans. I thought there was a real disconnect in how Rivera talked about McCaffrey vs. how Gettleman talked about him. I mentioned it briefly in my post-draft rookie rankings:
We've also had recent reports that Rivera viewed Stewart's role as remaining the same as in past years with him set to be the primary back (See here for example: http://www.panthers.com/news/article-2/Three-Questions-2017-Running-Backs/088c1f19-2db9-4aa6-a637-9ef77e469da6).
In short, I'm worried about McCaffrey's fantasy impact this year and think he's being overdrafted at his current ADP. I've also bumped him down to 5th in rookie dynasty rankings.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Rookie_Whisperer
Footballguy
I do exactly the same thing. This lets you know, or at least gives you the sense, if the guy I've been targeting pre-draft based on skill set is someone the offensive coordinator, head coach, GM, and/or position coach envision having the role I'd hoped he'll have a chance to earn. When they don't agree, give the BPA line, or give tepid endorsements in the post draft pressers, I tend to look a little more closely and usually move that player down a notch or two, to manage my expectations.
In McCaffrey's case, I know I'm likely in the minority as not seeing him as an every down RB anyway, so a disconnect among coaching is never a good thing. Guys lose jobs over picks like this if the team isn't 100% on the same page, and fantasy traps can be laid. I count on these traps though so the right guys, in situations I do like with the requisite skill set, fall a little further.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Rivera doesn't seem to be the most imaginative of coaches. I'd be surprised if McCaffrey has a breakout unless Stewart gets injured. Rivera is old school, and seems stuck viewing CMC as just a scat back.
WagesOfZin
Footballguy
I see him as more shady McCoy than Danny woodhead, personally. Either you buy in to his ability as a pure runner or you don't. Obviously I'm buying in.
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Mr Rodgers neighborhood
Footballguy
Reggie Bush, Danny Woodhead, LeSean McCoy... The comps are all over the place.
Go watch Brian Westbrooks tape, then watch Christian McCaffrey...
Go watch Brian Westbrooks tape, then watch Christian McCaffrey...
beerbuff
Footballguy
If he's Danny Woodhead 2.0 he is being drafted way too early. I personally don't feel people are factoring in Stewart enough. I'm going to pass on him in his current ADP unless he slides a couple of rounds (which I don't expect will happen). At his current ADP in PPR I think the safer play is one of the WR's around there, i.e. Sammy Watkins or Davante Adams. If it was a Dynasty league I'd be higher on him.
Agreed. People don't seem to realize Stewart will lead this team in rushing attempts and yards in the games he plays.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Anxiously awaiting first news stories about the Panthers first day of training camp.
Johnny Bing
Footballguy
Snorkelson
Footballguy
You were saying?
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Went back and read from the beginning. Some here are going to have an opportunity to slice off a good slab of humble pie.
BradtheAg
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Exactly ...
and when, if ever - had anyone been confident in owning JStew?
he was the next best thing that never really happened - there's a reason for that. His best role is a complimentary RB.
CMC at worst has the COP locked down, but I think he's gonna prove plenty capable between the tackles. And is running style will keep him from taking a beating.
Im really excited for his future
Forget dynasty...I think the path is pretty clear for this kid to be an impact player in PPR leagues from day 1.
I was initially really down on him, but the more I read and watch highlights the more impressed I am with his skill set and his opportunity. J Stewart simply isn't the caliber of back that's going to keep this kid from getting numbers.
It's going to be impossible for the Panthers to keep this kid off the field, especially when they are going to want to protect Cam this year and make his life easier. Ain't nothing easier than check downs to a weapon out of the backfield.
I'm buying this kid at the end of the 3rd or early 4th in all my PPR leagues. I'm fully on board the hype train at this point.
I was initially really down on him, but the more I read and watch highlights the more impressed I am with his skill set and his opportunity. J Stewart simply isn't the caliber of back that's going to keep this kid from getting numbers.
It's going to be impossible for the Panthers to keep this kid off the field, especially when they are going to want to protect Cam this year and make his life easier. Ain't nothing easier than check downs to a weapon out of the backfield.
I'm buying this kid at the end of the 3rd or early 4th in all my PPR leagues. I'm fully on board the hype train at this point.
