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Oregon Militia Takeover - Ammon Bundy arrested (1 Viewer)
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Good Posting Judge
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Can drones shoot tranquilizer darts?
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PlasmaDogPlasma
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Twitter still littered with tweets about Finicum's "murder".
These people really believe that after the Feds had done everything reasonable to avoid violent escalation, they suddenly decided they needed to execute Tarp Man in the road.
These people really believe that after the Feds had done everything reasonable to avoid violent escalation, they suddenly decided they needed to execute Tarp Man in the road.
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JerseyToughGuys
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Oregon should re-name an endangered bird after this fallen hero. I wonder if ####### is taken.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
You wanna kill a few brain cells? Read the comments on the Foxnews article. "Obama needs to be hung for treason!!!!1!"
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Joe Summer
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If the Feds were out for blood, they would have killed Bundy, not Finicum. Also, there were ~8 people in the vehicles and most were arrested without incident -- and at least 2 of them were released without even being charged. That completely goes against the narrative of the FBI wanting to kill and/or charge everyone.
(Not that I would expect any of the militia types to accept that logic...)
General Malaise
Footballguy
These outraged militia types are the same people who protested over unarmed black men being killed by police too, right?
whoknew
Footballguy
It doesn't mean the FBI didn't use excessive force given the situation. Have we seen a video?
Cliff Clavin
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General Malaise
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jonessed
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I believe it was local police, not FBI. I doubt there's video, but maybe one will pop up.
I'm curious to know if he was armed.
Epic Problem
Footballguy
I'm curious to know why anyone should care if he was or not. He made his intentions known that he wasn't going peacefully. In his case, one suspect move equals one dead suspect.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
You're right on that EP. They had no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Still, the accounts from people not named Bundy seem to make it clear that law enforcement had no choice regardless of who it was.
Still, the accounts from people not named Bundy seem to make it clear that law enforcement had no choice regardless of who it was.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
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I don't think it's unfair to wonder whether an officer can "reasonably" fear imminent death or grave personal injury when there are no indicators a suspect is armed, regardless of what the suspect has said in the past. I mean,I know it would pass muster the way the law is most commonly interpreted today, but when people like me are arguing that reasonable is being interpreted too broadly in other deadly force incidents, we have to consider the same argument even as it relates to suspects we really don't like.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
From the teenage girl who was in the car with Finicum: "[He] got out of the car and he had his hands in the air and he was like, 'Just shoot me then, just shoot me.' And they did."
jonessed
Footballguy
I care. If he was rushing the officer, armed or unarmed makes little difference, but I expect a thorough investigation. His previous statements are irrelevant.
The police shooting of a guy charging an officer he had just previously assaulted started riots in Ferguson. I suspect that won't happen here, but best to get the truth out anyway.
General Malaise
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jonessed
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General Malaise
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General Malaise
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I'm not very bright, but if you have guns in a car you are driving, are you not armed? Does armed mean it has to be on your person? I've watched enough COPS to know that when they pull over a car with a gun inside of it, tensions seem to escalate. That's about the extent of my knowledge about law enforcement, arrests, suspects, cars and guns.
jonessed
Footballguy
Armed would be on your person. Cops shouldn't be shooting people that aren't an imminent threat regardless of what they may say or may have previously said (or done for that matter).I'm not very bright, but if you have guns in a car you are driving, are you not armed? Does armed mean it has to be on your person? I've watched enough COPS to know that when they pull over a car with a gun inside of it, tensions seem to escalate. That's about the extent of my knowledge about law enforcement, arrests, suspects, cars and guns.There's nothing in that statement that says he was armed when was shot.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Why don't we all just give the police the benefit of the doubt until video surfaces that might incriminate them (like we always do).
General Malaise
Footballguy
I completely agree with you.Armed would be on your person. Cops shouldn't be shooting people that aren't an imminent threat regardless of what they may say or may have previously said (or done for that matter).I'm not very bright, but if you have guns in a car you are driving, are you not armed? Does armed mean it has to be on your person? I've watched enough COPS to know that when they pull over a car with a gun inside of it, tensions seem to escalate. That's about the extent of my knowledge about law enforcement, arrests, suspects, cars and guns.
So, if/when I look back through the Ferguson threads et al, I will find you eloquently posting this same sentiment?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Pretty much the same.
People buy into the story they want to hear that fits their agenda.
Cliff Clavin
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General Malaise
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Plus, you know, the protesting dimwits in Oregon are saying it themselves, so....there's that.
So again, I'm guessing these guys were out there protesting Black Lives Matter too, right?
sho nuff
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General Malaise
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Yeah, except one of the protesters still there said it was the same thing, so....I think you might be the one who is wrong?
Cliff Clavin
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General Malaise
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Sweet J
Footballguy
I'm glad he finally has come to the same place that lots of other people have been for a while. Oh holy day!
jonessed
Footballguy
At some point I determined that there was enough evidence of imminent danger that it was justified. I don't know at what point that was.
I think it's likely justified here as well, based on what I know of the situation, but I want to see the results of the investigation.
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General Malaise
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I won't try to quote that reply (neat board) but agree we need to see the results of the investigation. I don't think that's going to be anytime soon judging from the press conference today.
For perspective, Burns, Oregon might as well be on the moon. I've been to almost every corner of this state over the last 20 years, but I've never been there. It would take forever a day to get there. It's only in the news for its extreme weather. This sort of media attention is foreign to them. The sheriff was emotional today at the presser. This isn't what he wanted to deal with ever in this job.
I don't know if it is a mandate that all LE vehicles have dashboard cams, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least to learn that there wasn't one rolling here; certainly not one with HD resolution and ability to distinguish between the commotion. It's a rural, rustic, remote region of our country that is hell and gone from anything resembling a big city. I think we're going to be waiting a while for clarity.
For perspective, Burns, Oregon might as well be on the moon. I've been to almost every corner of this state over the last 20 years, but I've never been there. It would take forever a day to get there. It's only in the news for its extreme weather. This sort of media attention is foreign to them. The sheriff was emotional today at the presser. This isn't what he wanted to deal with ever in this job.
I don't know if it is a mandate that all LE vehicles have dashboard cams, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least to learn that there wasn't one rolling here; certainly not one with HD resolution and ability to distinguish between the commotion. It's a rural, rustic, remote region of our country that is hell and gone from anything resembling a big city. I think we're going to be waiting a while for clarity.
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jonessed
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My opinion on that has never changed. I don't trust cops any more or less than I trust any other profession. We may draw the line differently on how we determine imminent danger or what constitutes enough evidence to prosecute someone though.
CBusAlex
Footballguy
It's absolutely insane to think that with police shootings being so heavily scrutinized for several years now, that any department would send a cop out to make an arrest that's both guaranteed to make national news and highly likely to end in a shootout without some kind of camera on them. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, just that it's absolutely insane.
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Good Posting Judge
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I think an incident like this, given that they were going to pull them over, is completely foreseeable. They're all armed. Some have stated a desire to be martyred. I would expect, then, that law enforcement is going to make sure they're completely careful to things by the book. And that's probably come down from very high up.
I don't know anything, but I would be very surprised if the cops were out of line on this one.
Insomniac
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How could law enforcement regard these people as anything other than "armed and dangerous"? The dead guy made it clear on national TV he'd prefer death over arrest.
Mario Kart
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Mobilize the Westboro Baptist Church
Righetti
Footballguy
Was happy to see that Ammon Bundy and his brother Al got busted last night for being general weasels along with a bunch of their hillbilly cohorts. What was entertaining was the mug shots (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/01/28/us/oregon-standoff.html). which looked like some incestial Brady Bunch meets alternative Big Love thing. What I couldn't quite figure out though was why there were these little sun icons on the bottom right hand corner of all their photos were, is this some kind of militia ranking like being a four star general??
Anyway decided to rank them in terms of crazy
8- 2nd Row, 2nd from the left.
Maybe he is fooling me but that dude looks like the most normal Brady although you know what they say about guys with beards.
7- 1st Row, 1st from the left.
This might be Bundy but he looks like he could pump my gas and I wouldn't freak the f out
6- 1st row, 2nd from the left.
Yeah the weird crooked smile is wacky but he looks a bit like that hick Simpson character, which means he can't be all bad
5- 2nd Row, 4th from left
He looks like Ron Jeremy meets Peppa Pig so at least he probably keeps the cow satisfied sitting in Hollywood Square seat
4- 1st row 4th from the left
This chick didn't need all those free used dildos they kept sending over to that outpost with these studs around
3- 2nd row, 1st from the left
This is some kind of Vern Schillinger kind of psycho but still better than
2-1st row, 3rd from the left
This dude looks like he would rip your head off and then shove it up your five hole and then go in their mouth first to retrieve it but he is still not as scary as
1- 2nd row, 3rd from the left
There is a reason the Times did not give him a sun ribbon. This dude gives Row 1, 3rd from left nightmares and keeps 2nd row 4th from the left from getting it up.
Anyway decided to rank them in terms of crazy
8- 2nd Row, 2nd from the left.
Maybe he is fooling me but that dude looks like the most normal Brady although you know what they say about guys with beards.
7- 1st Row, 1st from the left.
This might be Bundy but he looks like he could pump my gas and I wouldn't freak the f out
6- 1st row, 2nd from the left.
Yeah the weird crooked smile is wacky but he looks a bit like that hick Simpson character, which means he can't be all bad
5- 2nd Row, 4th from left
He looks like Ron Jeremy meets Peppa Pig so at least he probably keeps the cow satisfied sitting in Hollywood Square seat
4- 1st row 4th from the left
This chick didn't need all those free used dildos they kept sending over to that outpost with these studs around
3- 2nd row, 1st from the left
This is some kind of Vern Schillinger kind of psycho but still better than
2-1st row, 3rd from the left
This dude looks like he would rip your head off and then shove it up your five hole and then go in their mouth first to retrieve it but he is still not as scary as
1- 2nd row, 3rd from the left
There is a reason the Times did not give him a sun ribbon. This dude gives Row 1, 3rd from left nightmares and keeps 2nd row 4th from the left from getting it up.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I think that mark is from the law enforcement division that took the pictures. Sheriff's office I believe. Notice the guy arrested in Arizona doesn't have one.
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Judge. The cops had to know this arrest would be front page news, no way they would do anything that could be questioned after the fact.
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