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“I needed to keep my job,” she said. “When it comes down to it, 98 percent of people make decisions on stuff like this based on needing to keep their jobs … which is why this stuff goes on for so long.”

I'm sorry but that's not true. You might need A job but you don't need THAT job. 

(None of that should be construed as dismissing idiotic behavior by the men.)

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2 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Ummm...that's terrible behavior but...

That's it?

Can’t believe this story was built up to be a bombshell, even though it’s still bad, it’s nothing like I was expecting.  I knew  Larry Michael was mixed up in it somehow after his sudden retirement.

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1 minute ago, PinkydaPimp said:

This makes me wonder if it took so long because lawyers made them take stuff out.  
 

either way i blame Snyder.  Sell the team.

He's not going to. They needed more than this for that to happen

And I honestly don't think there was much more to begin with--internet speculation gone crazy (me included)

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18 minutes ago, PinkydaPimp said:

This makes me wonder if it took so long because lawyers made them take stuff out.  
 

either way i blame Snyder.  Sell the team.

Wouldn’t surprise me if the discussion was how much the article could point the finger at Snyder. If so, the answer seems to be “not much”.

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IMO even based on just whats in the article, i still think it is grounds for Snyder to sell.  This happened under his watch.  It wasn't just one or a few incidents or people.  He allowed a culture to prevail that enabled this to happen.  He is a part of the problem.  I also dont buy for a second that he did not know this was happening.  If he really loves this team like he says he does he will sell and step aside. 

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1 minute ago, PinkydaPimp said:

IMO even based on just whats in the article, i still think it is grounds for Snyder to sell.  This happened under his watch.  It wasn't just one or a few incidents or people.  He allowed a culture to prevail that enabled this to happen.  He is a part of the problem.  I also dont buy for a second that he did not know this was happening.  If he really loves this team like he says he does he will sell and step aside. 

Owner for life. Take some draft picks and move on. 😉

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This is still awful. Just because it’s not Epstein levels of awful doesn’t mean it’s no big deal or nothing to worry about.

Even if he wasn’t an active participant, Snyder created the atmosphere that allowed this behavior to flourish. That plus the cheerleader scandal of 2018 casts him and his executive team in a deeply problematic light. It’s no wonder the minority shareholders are revolting.

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6 minutes ago, PinkydaPimp said:

IMO even based on just whats in the article, i still think it is grounds for Snyder to sell.  This happened under his watch.  It wasn't just one or a few incidents or people.  He allowed a culture to prevail that enabled this to happen.  He is a part of the problem.  I also dont buy for a second that he did not know this was happening.  If he really loves this team like he says he does he will sell and step aside. 

Whatever moral failing this was from Snyder I really would be shocked if this affects his ownership or comes even close unless there is more not published at this time

Mark Cuban didn't have to sell the Mavericks.

Jerry Richardson had to sell but he was directly accused

The cheerleader scandal was worse and nothing came of it

This too will be forgotten in a week

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6 minutes ago, PinkydaPimp said:

IMO even based on just whats in the article, i still think it is grounds for Snyder to sell.  This happened under his watch.  It wasn't just one or a few incidents or people.  He allowed a culture to prevail that enabled this to happen.  He is a part of the problem.  I also dont buy for a second that he did not know this was happening.  If he really loves this team like he says he does he will sell and step aside. 

If they didn’t make Kraft sell for whats “happened under his watch” there’s no chance Snyder sells 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/07/16/redskins-story-report-takeaways/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_takeaways-610pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans
 

“The article goes into detail about each takeaway and is worth a read.  For brevity below are the main points discussed in the article.

1.    ⁠The team environment tolerated frequent sexual harassment and verbal abuse of female employees.
2.    ⁠Washington’s NFL team didn’t have the proper structure to handle harassment complaints.
3.    ⁠Snyder belittled executives, helping to create an uncomfortable workplace for everyone.
4.    ⁠The team has hired an outside attorney to study the franchise’s culture.
5.    ⁠Alex Santos, Richard Mann II and Larry Michael all left the team after complaints were raised.”

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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ron-rivera-responds-to-washington-sexual-harassment-report-i-sure-as-hell-am-not-going-to-allow-any-of-this/

Gotta love Ron.  Imagine someone accidentally pulling this with his daughter :shock:

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"Biggest thing is we have to move forward from this and make sure everybody understands we have policies that we will follow and that we have an open door policy with no retribution," Rivera said, via John Keim of ESPN. "Plus my daughter works for the team and I sure as hell am not going to allow any of this!"

 

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5 minutes ago, OrtonToOlsen said:

Ahhhh....it was on Twitter...ok

Yes, and other places.  It was being 'leaked' by reporters and seemed like the organization was going to crumble because of it.  So his comment about it not being "as" huge as it was hyped up to be, was relevant.

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It's the additive aspect of a institutionalized toxic culture. The Trent Williams saga, the cheerleader scandal awhile back, it's over a decade of dysfunction... I mean the minority shareholders are looking to bail and mass firings have already begun as Washington and their law team are trying to get ahead of it. From that aspect, a team that has been rocked by many a scandal over the years just got another big one.

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Look, those of us who have followed this team for decades already knew that Snyder was and is a terrible owner who presided over a toxic and dysfunctional culture, Bruce Allen's comments not withstanding.  To many of us, this piece is much less of a bombshell than simply one more example of how Snyder has created a terrible culture.  I was expecting the piece to be something "new"...it's not really.  Based on that 2018 piece about Skins Cheerleaders, duh, we could kind of figure out women in th worked in this kind of environment.  With that said:

1.  Yes, Snyder is a jerk.  Agreed.  Also agreed that the org is going to have to pay a price for these crimes, as provided for by the law.  There are laws against sexual harrassment in the workplace that can be litigated.  Talk of "forcing Snyder to sell" is more of an "NFL PR decision" and a lot of factors have to go into that.

2.  On removing Snyder -- I'm not seeing it.  I think if you used the argument:  "any team with jock culture where women are harrassed" as your standard, then more than the Redskins would be implicated. Fans of other teams are celebrating like their front offices are occupied by a bunch of feminists and social justice warriors.  But come on, these front offices are dominated by male athletes, many of whom have had their way with women their whole lives.  I talked with my wife about this story and she was like, "yeah, well this is what it has been like for women a lot of places they work.  When I worked at the grocery store, my manager would walk around grabbing employee's butts, etc."  Point it, this is bad.  But don't act like we just caught the one bad organization and once we purge it from our ranks, then it's all good.  NFL needs to condemn Washington's behavior but stop short of draconian penalties.  They will be fencing themselves in the next time an accusation comes up regarding another club.  

3.  On football fans -- fans of other teams will pretend like they are morally superior now but in the end this "scandal" will not be as impactful in the minds of football fans than other ills by Snyder related to making the team a pereniall loser.  Seriously, the average football fan cares more about Snyder trading away too many picks for RG3 or Tom Brady Deflating footballs than whether there is a sexual harrassment case in the front office.  I'm not saying that's right.  I'm saying that's how I think it is.  Football fans get passionate about winning.  And if Snyder does things to make DC a loser, that's what people get most pissed off about. 

This case should be litigated and the org should pay the price as provided for by the law.  As for this somehow being a bombshell that will shake the org to it's core, as media members have been hyping, sorry I don't see it.

Sorry if this is a cynical attitude.  Don't take it as I don't care.  I have a wife and daughter.  This case should go forward and the team should pay.  But keep it in context that's all...

 

 

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The women are afraid to name-names because they signed NDAs when they were hired.  That is why the Washington team lawyered-up.

... 14 of 15 former employees who allege sexual harassment refused to be identified due to fears of litigation arising from nondisclosure agreements that include express threats of legal reprisals, it’s possible if not likely that Snyder knew all about any complaints that would have been made to support the severance agreements containing a confidentiality clause.

That said, it’s possible that each and every one of the 14 agreements was a general and perfunctory document signed by employees in exchange for severance pay, independent of a specific claim of misconduct. Without more information as to the circumstances of each employee’s NDA, it’s impossible to know with certainty what Snyder would have specifically known.

Independent of claim of misconduct?  WTfreak NDA has that wording as terms of employment.  If the org shows misconduct you not allowed to talk of it or face legal action?

The only reason we're hearing anything is one of the women was brave enough to talk on record regardless of the NDA.

I don't know what happened but that sort of wording 'Independent of misconduct' WTfreak?  

Is that SOP for an NDA?  

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It is very clear Snyder will not be forced to sell.  They apparently knew about this article for a while.  The results:

1.  Minority owners want out.  If sale was imminent, they would not need to do that.

2.  Michael, Santos, and Mann are gone.  And replacements for Santos and Mann were immediately announced.  That shows these were not abrupt firings.

The insiders know where this is heading.  And all signs point to Snyder remaining the owner.

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18 hours ago, Pip's Invitation said:

This is still awful. Just because it’s not Epstein levels of awful doesn’t mean it’s no big deal or nothing to worry about.

Even if he wasn’t an active participant, Snyder created the atmosphere that allowed this behavior to flourish. That plus the cheerleader scandal of 2018 casts him and his executive team in a deeply problematic light. It’s no wonder the minority shareholders are revolting.

I may be alone on this, but I have zero doubt this is only part of the story.  As you mention the cheerleader scandal, smearing Mcloughan on his way out the door, the rumors (and pics/video) of Gruden's womanizing while he was employed, etc etc etc.  Ashburn is a cesspool of unethical and illicit behavior - and there's one guy overseeing it all.

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21 minutes ago, facook said:

I may be alone on this, but I have zero doubt this is only part of the story.  As you mention the cheerleader scandal, smearing Mcloughan on his way out the door, the rumors (and pics/video) of Gruden's womanizing while he was employed, etc etc etc.  Ashburn is a cesspool of unethical and illicit behavior - and there's one guy overseeing it all.

I am inclined to agree. I would not be surprised if the Post story initially included far worse things that the lawyers nixed because the reporter(s) didn't yet have enough evidence. 

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19 hours ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

If they didn’t make Kraft sell for whats “happened under his watch” there’s no chance Snyder sells 

So you're saying a 70 year old man visiting a massage parlor is worse than an organization taking cheerleaders passports away until the performed escort services for high dollar clients?

What color is the sky in your world?

 

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19 hours ago, SeniorVBDStudent said:

So you're saying a 70 year old man visiting a massage parlor is worse than an organization taking cheerleaders passports away until the performed escort services for high dollar clients?

What color is the sky in your world?

 

Old people have needs you know.

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1 hour ago, SeniorVBDStudent said:

So you're saying a 70 year old man visiting a massage parlor is worse than an organization taking cheerleaders passports away until the performed escort services for high dollar clients?

What color is the sky in your world?

 

Left out the part about the massage parlor employees being trafficked into the country?

And Snyder already somehow survived the cheerleader thing--which was worse than this, so I don't see it taking him down--assuming there is nothing else left to come

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3 hours ago, SeniorVBDStudent said:

So you're saying a 70 year old man visiting a massage parlor is worse than an organization taking cheerleaders passports away until the performed escort services for high dollar clients?

What color is the sky in your world?

 

Anything else noteworthy come to mind with what happened under Kraft’s watch that comes to mind? Like, I don’t know, cheating, murders, cheating, more cheating and a rub and tug?

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8 minutes ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

Anything else noteworthy come to mind with what happened under Kraft’s watch that comes to mind? Like, I don’t know, cheating, murders, cheating, more cheating and a rub and tug?

So now you're somehow connecting the Hernandez murders directly to Kraft ?

You are sadly misguided.

 

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10 minutes ago, Casting Couch said:

So now you're somehow connecting the Hernandez murders directly to Kraft ?

You are sadly misguided.

The line of thinking went "...along his watch, A and B happened" 

Not really misguided to point out exactly how bad the Patriots have been if that's the standard. 

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Washington Post's Mark Maske reports the NFL is "considering" a fine for Washington owner Daniel Snyder after 15 ex-employees allege sexual harassment from some of his staff members. 

Maske also reports the NFL is unlikely to force Snyder to sell the team because of the allegations, something fans have been hoping for. The rest of the league's owners are likely having meetings with Roger Goodell on how to handle the situation, but it sounds like Snyder will only get a slap on the wrist despite the seriousness of the issue, one that unfortunately runs rampant across the entire sports industry. Snyder's statement after Thursday's report was at best empty. He's hired a firm to investigate his organization's "culture". Having more than one human resources person for a staff of 200+ would be a start.

Sounds like he'll "live". He really shouldn't but what do I know...

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I hate Snyder.  Did he know this was going on ... likely.  Might have even encouraged it.  Probably.  But unless he is directly involved he's not going anywhere.  Even the dumbest of lawyers can find a way to shield him in this one.  If the season starts, this will go by the wayside. 

He's basically found a way like always to shield himself.

  • Fire Bruce to hide awful personnel moves -- done
  • Fire Gruden to hide that he hired a bad coach - done
  • Fire some department types to cover for sexual harassment issues - done
  • Fire Larry Michaels to get rid of the voice of the last 10 or so years - done
  • Change the name to get rid of 20 years of problems around it - done
  • Hire a coach that has high morals - done

Now as the thread title once said - the next group of coaches, players, and staff can come to DC and be beaten down like all the rest that have worked for Snyder.

 

 

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57 minutes ago, Casting Couch said:

So now you're somehow connecting the Hernandez murders directly to Kraft ?

You are sadly misguided.

 

Point being it’s hard to say who knew what in these situations and if he wasn’t forced to sell for what he’s been apart of no chance Snyder will either. 

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Responding to the Washington Post's story painting a culture of intimidation and harassment inside the organization, Washington owner Daniel Snyder has claimed a "new culture and standard" is coming. 

Snyder also claimed the process already began with the hiring of coach Ron Rivera. That would not explain why he waited until the past two weeks to fire three of the worst offenders identified in the article, of course. Everyone knows these are empty words. Snyder has long been the NFL's worst owner. The only way that will change is if he sells the team. 

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter 

Jul 17, 2020, 11:32 AM ET

 

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I'm not bashing anyone that filed a complaint. Just asking a question based on what I feel I would have done in this situation.

If I went to work dreading the day because I thought I would get harassed or be intimidated by my boss or coworkers, I'd get the hell out of there and go find another job. Why stay? Was the pay that good? Why would anyone tolerate that behavior and stay in a job like that? It's just baffling to me.

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21 hours ago, Brunell4MVP said:

I hate Snyder.  Did he know this was going on ... likely.  Might have even encouraged it.  Probably.  But unless he is directly involved he's not going anywhere.  Even the dumbest of lawyers can find a way to shield him in this one.  If the season starts, this will go by the wayside. 

He's basically found a way like always to shield himself.

  • Fire Bruce to hide awful personnel moves -- done
  • Fire Gruden to hide that he hired a bad coach - done
  • Fire some department types to cover for sexual harassment issues - done
  • Fire Larry Michaels to get rid of the voice of the last 10 or so years - done
  • Change the name to get rid of 20 years of problems around it - done
  • Hire a coach that has high morals - done

Now as the thread title once said - the next group of coaches, players, and staff can come to DC and be beaten down like all the rest that have worked for Snyder.

 

 

I once heard the Redskins compared to a reverse car wash:  People come in clean, and leave really dirty.

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