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Had such a great time today. Huge Skins tailgate. L.A. Coliseum was fun. Just feels like a part of history. I couldn't believe how many times we ran the ball. It was awesome to see that. Especially si

Ummm...that's terrible behavior but... That's it?

I like to see guys stay, too, and I think Cousins is a decent QB. But he's gone already. Sure, he'll play this year, but only for the franchise $$$ and not because he wants to be here. I really don't

2 hours ago, DallasDMac said:

Do you remember that one off season when the talk concerning WSH was actually about football? Yea, me neither.

I'm a little surprised that WAS fans don't seem more excited for this FA class given the fact they are in a good cap situation and some people are expecting a flood of new FA's as teams are forced to cut down to the new salary cap.

WAS has a lot of holes and if they were smart they could fill a lot of holes before the draft. Spending on that 2nd/3rd tier of FA should be MUCH more reasonable than in the past, and there should be more of them available. IMO it's so important to go into the draft without being absolutely desperate to draft.... your WR#2 or whatever. Just put yourself in the position to draft the best player on the board.

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I see most sources seem to list WAS team needs in some combination of the following....

1. QB

2. LT

3. WR

4. CB

5. OG

6. LB

7. S

8. K(?!)

.... I would still like to see the team upgrade at both TE and RB. Logan Thomas and Antonio Gibson looked good at times but I'm not convinced either guy can carry the entire load. Both are guys I'd like to see in a 1a(or maybe even 1b) type role ideally.

Rolling into FA(and the draft after that) I'd be curious to hear what they think are the most obvious needs on the team. We can all probably agree that it's best to build a team through the draft but when you consider that they really need to bring in multiple guys at a few positions(WR/CB/LB come to mind) it really underscores how the team needs to fill some of these needs before the draft.

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18 hours ago, BoltBacker said:

I'm a little surprised that WAS fans don't seem more excited for this FA class given the fact they are in a good cap situation and some people are expecting a flood of new FA's as teams are forced to cut down to the new salary cap.

WAS has a lot of holes and if they were smart they could fill a lot of holes before the draft. Spending on that 2nd/3rd tier of FA should be MUCH more reasonable than in the past, and there should be more of them available. IMO it's so important to go into the draft without being absolutely desperate to draft.... your WR#2 or whatever. Just put yourself in the position to draft the best player on the board.

The reason I don't get worked up about it is simply that Bruce Allen, and before him Vinny Cerrato, are no longer involved.  That was 20 years of HORRIBLE GMs.  And Snyder is so busy fighting the NFL and lawsuits that he may be too busy to screw things up.

My faith in the football side of the organization is at its highest point since 2000.  They have holes, but they have cap space, picks, and a lot of free agents available out there that can improve the team

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With Prescott getting signed yesterday, WFT will avg least 100+ million in cap space more than Dallas for the next 3 years after this one.  This year might be the year to break the credit card out in FA and dump it into the next few years. (Keeping in mind at least 3DL and McLaurin need to be inked coming up soon.)  Get the cap spending starting in this season as more teams are cap poor this year.  Next year 16 teams will have 100+ million in space per the forecasted cap next year.

Salary cap estimation at overthecap.com.....

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I'd think both the Giants and WFT are going to be in much better shape than Dallas and Philly over the next few seasons regarding the cap. And that really can be a great advantage if you're smart with your spending. And now that Allen and Vinny are gone, I'm confident Ron will make smart moves. 

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On 3/8/2021 at 2:10 AM, Brunell4MVP said:

My faith in the football side of the organization is at its highest point since 2000.  They have holes, but they have cap space, picks, and a lot of free agents available out there that can improve the team

In recent days Patriots re-acquire Trent Brown and a 7th rounder in exchange for a 5th rounder. And MIA acquires Isaiah Wilson(who I think was overdrafted in the first round last year, but still...) from TEN just for exchanging 7th round picks. 

Really would have liked to see them plug either their starting LT spot and/or a backup OT spot well before FA even starts. 

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6 hours ago, ffmail4me said:

Cam resigns with NE. So relieved!!! :pickle:

I must admit I'm surprised WFT isn't taking a chance on Winston.  Unlike Darnold no trade is needed to get him.  27 years old.  Probably a $6-9M annual salary.   The only risk is his salary, and is it even a risk?  it's not that much for a likely starting QB.

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They seem to be in a less likely situation to sign Winston to me than they were last year. Last year they were the second worst team in the league so what did they have to lose? But they still didn't seem to have any interest. I don't hate Winston but keep in mind he almost single handedly kept a very good TB defense out of the PLAYOFFS in 2019. That was a SB caliber defense before Brady got there. 

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1 minute ago, nittanylion said:

FITZMAGIC!!!

I like the signing.  1 year, 10 million dollars.  He could serve as bridge starter or even vet backup if Allen or heinicke take the job.  But gives us another option at QB for this year.

Here’s hoping they still draft a guy to groom him long term.  But for now, I like it

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The other big news today is Darby signing with the Broncos.  Apparently Rivera didn’t want to pay this guy due to injury history?  Either way, it creates a new hole to fill.  We got Fuller and Moreland as starters I guess.  Moreau is an UFA but maybe we can resign him?  Not sure abiut the quality behind this.  Add CB to the shopping list.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/taking-look-cornerback-market-after-washington-loses-ronald-darby%3famp

 

 

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16 hours ago, nittanylion said:

FITZMAGIC!!!

I don't mind the signing.   Any of the 3 could start.  Fitz most likely, but if Heinicke or Allen have a good camp they could beat him out (assuming they even sign K Allen as a RFA, which they may have...I just haven't seen it).  I expect it to be a truly open competition, with Fitz winning a tiebreaker.

I don't really understand how NO got Winston for $5.5M, while WFT paid $10M for Fitz.  I'd rather have Winston due to age and future potential.  Their stats are very similar.  Lots of yards, lots of TDs, and a $h!tload of INTs.  But for a stopgap it is what it is.

ETA:  Well, now that I see the Winston contract is really $12.5M, the $10M for Fitz makes more sense.

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1. If we're bearing and raising a young QB, I want Fitz over Winston or almost any other bridge-type qb, every time. He's everything you want in a mentor: cerebrally, he's Alex Smith's equal, without the injury baggage, plus a big intangible Alex Smith and many others lack - he's a confident and fearless gunslinger. That's the mentality you want to breed into a young pup from conception, if you want a true leader and winner in today's NFL.

2. Until proven otherwise, I'll steadfastly stick to my stance that the 2021 WFT isn't going much further, if at all, than the 2020 Team...and that's NOT a bad thing. Unless they have a windfall in BOTH Free Agency and the Draft (and it's a rare occurence that ANY Team, no matter how well run, accomplishes both in the same Season), there are way too many holes to fill in one offseason: (Upgrade RB3 over Barber, 2 OL, 2WR, a dominant 2-way LB and 2  starting DB, off the top of my head). Couple that with a schedule featuring our Division (I don't care how good/bad the Cowboys/Eagles/Giants are, this Division always plays itself tough, and 3-3 is absolutely a reasonable prediction for any NFCE Team, almost any Season), + games vs Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, @ Josh Allen (17th game), Herbert, possibly Wilson (Sea will be tough, regardless) Winston/THill Saints, Raiders...our 'easiest' opponents (Falcons, Panthers and Broncos) are all road games.

The realistic goals for this 2021 Team should be:

1. Build a more complete Team for a 2021 or 2022 Rookie QB to thrive in.

2. Possibly Draft a 2021 Rookie QB, if  you don't have to reach for him.

3. Strive for a record in the same neighborhood as 2020 (7-9, 8-8, 9-7) vs a much tougher slate of opponents, while competing in every game.

4. If that record gets you to the Playoffs, be a tough out.

5. Prepare for a long run of sustained success starting in 2022.

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6 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

Chad Ocho Johnson loves the Fitz signing for WFT, and tweeted this "Terry McLaurin 1500 yard season incoming & I’m guaranteeing that!!" :pickle:

 

 

 

Seriously.  Regardless of their final team record, draft McLaurin in fantasy.  He put up decent stats with Smith / Haskins; imagine what he can do with a guy who can actually throw it down field was some accuracy...

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8 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

Chad Ocho Johnson loves the Fitz signing for WFT, and tweeted this "Terry McLaurin 1500 yard season incoming & I’m guaranteeing that!!" :pickle:

Nothing is ever a perfect comparison but let’s look at Deandre Hopkins with Fitzmagic: 126 targets, 76 receptions, 1,210 yards, 6 TD’s.

 

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With the signing of Fitz, I believe by time the seasons starts the WFT will only have 4 players age 30 or older.  One is a stopgap QB and the other 3 are special teams (Way, Hopkins, Sundberg).... assuming Kendricks, Kerrigan, Wright and Davis are no longer with the team which they shouldn't be.  Anyway, other than Fitz the team is getting younger which is a good thing

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6 minutes ago, Brunell4MVP said:

With the signing of Fitz, I believe by time the seasons starts the WFT will only have 4 players age 30 or older.  One is a stopgap QB and the other 3 are special teams (Way, Hopkins, Sundberg).... assuming Kendricks, Kerrigan, Wright and Davis are no longer with the team which they shouldn't be.  Anyway, other than Fitz the team is getting younger which is a good thing

I think they were the youngest team in the league last year. Or at least one of the youngest.

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6 hours ago, Brunell4MVP said:

With the signing of Fitz, I believe by time the seasons starts the WFT will only have 4 players age 30 or older.  One is a stopgap QB and the other 3 are special teams (Way, Hopkins, Sundberg).... assuming Kendricks, Kerrigan, Wright and Davis are no longer with the team which they shouldn't be.  Anyway, other than Fitz the team is getting younger which is a good thing

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7 minutes ago, PinkydaPimp said:

Adam Schefter

@AdamSchefter

Former Bengals CB William Jackson reached agreement with the Washington Football Team, per source.

😀

He was considered one of the best 2 CBs available in FA this year right? Seems like a good signing! 

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1 minute ago, ffmail4me said:

He was considered one of the best 2 CBs available in FA this year right? Seems like a good signing! 

Great signing.  Something like this really needed to be done with Darby leaving.  I think Jackson is generally well regarded and is still quite young.  Nice job by Ron and the Marty’s here...

More:  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/bengals/.amp/news/former-cincinnati-bengals-cornerback-william-jackson-signing-with-washington-football-team

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15 hours ago, nittanylion said:

1. If we're bearing and raising a young QB, I want Fitz over Winston or almost any other bridge-type qb, every time. He's everything you want in a mentor: cerebrally, he's Alex Smith's equal, without the injury baggage, plus a big intangible Alex Smith and many others lack - he's a confident and fearless gunslinger. That's the mentality you want to breed into a young pup from conception, if you want a true leader and winner in today's NFL.

2. Until proven otherwise, I'll steadfastly stick to my stance that the 2021 WFT isn't going much further, if at all, than the 2020 Team...and that's NOT a bad thing. Unless they have a windfall in BOTH Free Agency and the Draft (and it's a rare occurence that ANY Team, no matter how well run, accomplishes both in the same Season), there are way too many holes to fill in one offseason: (Upgrade RB3 over Barber, 2 OL, 2WR, a dominant 2-way LB and 2  starting DB, off the top of my head). Couple that with a schedule featuring our Division (I don't care how good/bad the Cowboys/Eagles/Giants are, this Division always plays itself tough, and 3-3 is absolutely a reasonable prediction for any NFCE Team, almost any Season), + games vs Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, @ Josh Allen (17th game), Herbert, possibly Wilson (Sea will be tough, regardless) Winston/THill Saints, Raiders...our 'easiest' opponents (Falcons, Panthers and Broncos) are all road games.

The realistic goals for this 2021 Team should be:

1. Build a more complete Team for a 2021 or 2022 Rookie QB to thrive in.

2. Possibly Draft a 2021 Rookie QB, if  you don't have to reach for him.

3. Strive for a record in the same neighborhood as 2020 (7-9, 8-8, 9-7) vs a much tougher slate of opponents, while competing in every game.

4. If that record gets you to the Playoffs, be a tough out.

5. Prepare for a long run of sustained success starting in 2022.

Personally i dont agree.  For me the schedule thing is kind of overblown.  14/16 games are shared with the rest of the division.  So it is only 2 games different.  I also don't think the growth of the possible qb upgrade is to be understated.  Smith was basically unable to move much at all.  Haskins cost WFT so many times with picks etc.  Fitz does that to sometimes but he is mobile and has hot streaks also which carry you.  They can add more in FA as they have over 100 MM in cap space next year as of a few days ago.  It depends on what the rest of the division does.  Can Dallas improve on Defense?  Can Hurts carry Phily?  Does NYG improve on offense? I am optomistic.

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Washington was always one of my least favorite teams in the league. I think most of that comes from the owner who is easy to dislike. This changed last year. Rivera has been a revolution to this ball club. They seem to be making good decisions from a personnel standpoint. As it was earlier mentioned with cap room historically this team would be signing people like the Patriots are. But something seems different and they seem to be really trying to build something here. I hope you are able to land a quarterback for the future which can be a challenge if the team continues to float around .500 for the next few seasons. I will be rooting for you from afar.

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8 minutes ago, King of the Jungle said:

Washington was always one of my least favorite teams in the league. I think most of that comes from the owner who is easy to dislike. This changed last year. Rivera has been a revolution to this ball club. They seem to be making good decisions from a personnel standpoint. As it was earlier mentioned with cap room historically this team would be signing people like the Patriots are. But something seems different and they seem to be really trying to build something here. I hope you are able to land a quarterback for the future which can be a challenge if the team continues to float around .500 for the next few seasons. I will be rooting for you from afar.

You won't get much arguement about Snyder from WFT fans.  He did do this once before with Gibbs v2.  Gave all the power away but Gibbs while getting to the playoffs 2 out of 4 years was kind of to old an not a GM type, and the kept Cerrrato who is not a decent GM.  I also think this is a fit for Rivera due to their DL guys.  Just like Carolina they are very strong at DL and they are very young.  As said above they only have 4 players over 30.  Fitz, Punter, Long Snapper, and Kicker.

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Under the radar: Ron Rivera has very quietly consolided organizational power over his short tenure with the WFTskins. A large majority of the executive staff on both sides of the organization (coaches and management) directly owe their allegiance to him, not Danny. It's going to be very interesting if all this smoke we're seeing between the NFL investigation and the Ownership group fracture politics continues to play out, what happens...

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Glad we're not on the hook for the Trent Williams contract.

RB Lamar Miller re-ups for 1 year. I know, so what...but it that guy has any pop in his drop whatsoever, I'll take it over PBarber.

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Okay, so by all accounts, we have improved in 2 positions (and possibly 3 as I think Miller with 1 leg is better than Barber at this point) So assuming Washington can sign one of the top 3 WRs and hopefully a LB (if any solid ones are left) where does that leave us in the draft? WR or OT still seem most likely in the 1st? 

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16 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

Okay, so by all accounts, we have improved in 2 positions (and possibly 3 as I think Miller with 1 leg is better than Barber at this point) So assuming Washington can sign one of the top 3 WRs and hopefully a LB (if any solid ones are left) where does that leave us in the draft? WR or OT still seem most likely in the 1st? 

I think all 3 draftable WRs will be gone, so they will likely get one in FA.  Probably waiting out to pay a lower salary.

OL: Christian Darrisaw or Vera-Tucker

CB.  I wonder if Caleb Fairley or Surtain might drop. They keep moving down.  Or Jaycee Horn might be a good fit.  

LB:  They need MLB and a LB that can run w TEs.  I don't know who that is.  Ojulari?

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10 minutes ago, PinkydaPimp said:

curtis samuel signed.

We are gonna have some speed at WR and someone not afraid to throw it deep...

samuel also one of those flex guys who can play multiple roles that Rivera likes. 
 

I like the signing

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10 hours ago, nittanylion said:

Under the radar: Ron Rivera has very quietly consolided organizational power over his short tenure with the WFTskins. A large majority of the executive staff on both sides of the organization (coaches and management) directly owe their allegiance to him, not Danny. It's going to be very interesting if all this smoke we're seeing between the NFL investigation and the Ownership group fracture politics continues to play out, what happens...

Notice the lack of “leaks” before these FA signings?

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18 minutes ago, MikeApf said:

We are gonna have some speed at WR and someone not afraid to throw it deep...

samuel also one of those flex guys who can play multiple roles that Rivera likes. 
 

I like the signing

Going to be fun to watch

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2 minutes ago, bulldog_guy said:

If Dan can really stay away.

Not that I have inside info, but Ron seems like the kind of guy that would have said, you monkey with anything and I'm not interested. I'm pretty sure expectations were agreed upon when he took the job. At least it sure seems that way so far. 

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1 hour ago, ffmail4me said:

Not that I have inside info, but Ron seems like the kind of guy that would have said, you monkey with anything and I'm not interested. I'm pretty sure expectations were agreed upon when he took the job. At least it sure seems that way so far. 

Also, I think Nittny made this point, and I've heard this point made on the Al Galdi Podcast (excellent by the way), that Ron is slowly cleaning house of all the old guard loyal to Bruce.  This is not just coaches but other front office guys.  I think by surrounding himself with guys who are loyal to him (not Dan), Rivera may be somewhat insulating himself from Dan's influence on personnel.  

Back in the day, Bruce and Danny could basically decide to draft players or make trades by outvoting Jay.  Now, Rivera controls the Marty's.  Dan would have to come in and outvote ALL of them...that's a different proposition than using a boot-licking Bruce as a wedge to get his way.

Obviously Dan is owner so if he wants to "stand on the table" for a player he can, but doing it by himself may not be something he's as likely to do, as often...

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You don't win football games in March and April, so I take it with a monster grain of salt, but still it's a neat headline:

https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1372387573310586881

Per

@KevinColePFF's Improvement Index, the Washington Football Team is the NFL's most improved team in Free Agency

FULL in-depth look here http://bit.ly/3r2aUGc

 

What is equally encouraging:  Fitzpatrick, Jackson, and Samuel all signed to reasonable contracts, that will not "break the bank."  Things are being done differently.

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Washington fans, check this out. Really puts it in perspective how improved our team SHOULD be:

Ryan Fitzpatrick's Last 16 starts:

4,414 Yards

27 Touchdowns

13 Interceptions

65.2 Completion %

WFT Quarterback Last 16 Starts:

3,768 Yards

16 Touchdowns

16 Interceptions

64.7 Completion %

Both on exactly 599 attempts.

 

And when you think about how many games we lost by a TD or less this year (5 games, 3 of which we lost by 3 points or less) those 11 extra TDs would have made quite a difference huh? 

 

 

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