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Albright says there are 9 lawsuits filed now with 4 in the works; there could be 13 women at least filing against Deshaun and now the NFL has opened up an investigation working with Buzzby to see what's up. It's not looking good

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And now you see why women are hesitant to come forward, you have 13 of them saying the same thing and still there is a not insignificant amount of people who assume they are just trying to hustle a bu

I find it humorous that some people think it's just an easy thing for a woman to lie about something like this about a high profile person, let alone finding 15+.  Like they just decide they're lookin

Any word on Bill Cosby?

Just catching up on NFL news so maybe this has been discussed...is Denver a possible landing spot for Deshaun?   I know it makes sense on the Denver side but not clear if it does for the Texans.  

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2 minutes ago, Devil_Dog said:

Just catching up on NFL news so maybe this has been discussed...is Denver a possible landing spot for Deshaun?   I know it makes sense on the Denver side but not clear if it does for the Texans.  

1.9, 2.9, 22 1, 23 1 Tim Patrick and Okwuegbunam. who says no?

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3 minutes ago, Devil_Dog said:

Just catching up on NFL news so maybe this has been discussed...is Denver a possible landing spot for Deshaun?   I know it makes sense on the Denver side but not clear if it does for the Texans.  

It's hard to discuss what makes sense for anyone on Watson until his lawsuits get some type of resolution but for now I'll answer as if that was not a factor.

Denver has been mentioned as a possible landing spot for Watson, a place he would like to go, but no I don't think they have enough to offer. They would be like the Bears pursuit of Wilson, literally can't offer enough.

The Texans I feel pretty strongly only have interest in dealing Watson if part of the return is a high draft pick to take his replacement, again this is putting all the legal stuff aside.

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6 minutes ago, Devil_Dog said:

thanks Menobrown...does Watson have any veto power in where he goes?

Yes, his new contract he signed in Sept gave him veto power. “Supposedly” per sources Denver is one of the places he wouldn’t object to going.

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So probably puts the kibosh on him being traded prior to the draft? Seems unlikely NFL can finish their investigation into these allegations in less than 6 weeks.

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On 3/17/2021 at 2:49 PM, ffmail4me said:

I think there is a less than 1% chance these accusations are true. Watson has been a strong man of faith WAY before his NFL days. And he walks the walk too. I know you have a lot of hot headed idiots in the league but he's not one of them. 

Being a person of "faith" doesn't exclude you from the possibility of being a terrible person.  Fame and fortune gives people the mindset that they are above the law.  

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7 hours ago, Kiddnets said:

This is crazy....it basically torches any trade value he has....and the lawyer connection to ownership could drive a further wedge between Watson and the Texans...

win or lose the lawsuit his brand takes a hit so he may not be able to rely on endorsement money to take a year off.....what a mess.  He could have settled this for a mere six figures...now it could cost him millions, his reputation and even his career.  

I just dont see how this can sort out at this point.....

Unless he actually didn't do this and refuses to be manipulated or a target. I mean, I don't know this doesn't look good but remember how bad things looked for Tyreek Hill and that girlfriend?? We don't know nearly enough yet...

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17 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

If the Texans were not entirely incompetent they would have taken one of the offers before this started coming out. 

That's where I am...on one hand you might think the Texans are behind this but if that were true or could be proven, it would almost send the franchise into a deep dark place we've not seen publicly to this point...I wouldn't play for them if I were a professional football player and I knew they smeared Watson to make him almost untradeable...

But then why would Houston do that? it would be better in a trade if he was squeaky clean so it doesn't really make a lot of sense but then again, a last hail mary to try and keep him with the team...I think the owner wants to keep him no matter what and the front office is having a hard time keeping his wishes.  

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The NFL is investigating the sexual assault lawsuits filed against Deshaun Watson. 

“The matter is under review of the personal conduct policy," the league said. The lawsuits allege that Watson committed the assaults while being massaged. All three women work in different states. Watson has strongly denied the allegations. The lawyer filing the claims came out of the gates with a bizarre, guns-blazing statement, but the matter is clearly being taken seriously by the league. Watson has not offered further comment since posting on Twitter Tuesday evening. 

SOURCE: Associated Press 

Mar 18, 2021, 7:04 PM ET

 

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On 3/17/2021 at 4:49 PM, ffmail4me said:

I think there is a less than 1% chance these accusations are true. Watson has been a strong man of faith WAY before his NFL days. And he walks the walk too. I know you have a lot of hot headed idiots in the league but he's not one of them. 

People thought the same thing about Ravi Zacharias and it turns out that the leader of one of the largest evangelical groups in the world was most definitely doing almost the exact same thing for decades that Watson is being accused of.

He said/she said is always tough, but the more smoke there is, the more likely there is fire. 

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On 3/17/2021 at 6:54 PM, ffmail4me said:

I just can't believe this is true. You think IF he groped or assaulted women habitually (I consider 4 women habitual) you would have heard/seen this way before now. Why now, when he's worth millions? Just doesn't make sense to me. With AB, maybe it was brain injuries changing his personality, but again, none of that applies here...very odd. 

lol wut?

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Evidently it is up to 7 lawsuits filed. The lawyer representing the women in holding a press conference today... https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/18/lawyer-handling-lawsuits-against-deshaun-watson-calls-friday-press-conference/

TMZ has a text message where Watson apologized for making a message therapist uncomfortable. This is not looking as fake as originally thought. 

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11 hours ago, Ministry of Pain said:

That's where I am...on one hand you might think the Texans are behind this but if that were true or could be proven, it would almost send the franchise into a deep dark place we've not seen publicly to this point...I wouldn't play for them if I were a professional football player and I knew they smeared Watson to make him almost untradeable...

But then why would Houston do that? it would be better in a trade if he was squeaky clean so it doesn't really make a lot of sense but then again, a last hail mary to try and keep him with the team...I think the owner wants to keep him no matter what and the front office is having a hard time keeping his wishes.  

Your ideas make logical sense of it isn't. But the counter argument is that some idiot billionaire doesn't think the rules apply to him, he thinks can do anything he wants, and he's in a pissing match with Watson so has to win the fight. I have a bit of a hard time believing this whole thing is a ploy by the texans, but anything is possible. The whole thing is pretty weird. It also always stinks when people go the lawsuit route instead of going to the police. 

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10 minutes ago, Blackbear said:

Evidently it is up to 7 lawsuits filed. The lawyer representing the women in holding a press conference today... https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/18/lawyer-handling-lawsuits-against-deshaun-watson-calls-friday-press-conference/

TMZ has a text message where Watson apologized for making a message therapist uncomfortable. This is not looking as fake as originally thought. 

Its over as far as a trade goes for this year....I cant see any team trading for him unless there is a complete vindication and quick....neither seems possible

Zeke was banned for 6 games for one accusation.....9?  He couild be on the commish exempt list then banned once its resolved.  He is in seriously jeopardy of not playing this year regardless of his posturing - Cosby and Weinstein wound up in prison after a slew of civil suits....its possible he ends up in the same situation....what an awful situation all around.  

As for the Texans - based on Watson's statement, he knew a least 1 of these lawsuits were coming - there were negotiations before that didnt result in settlement.  You would have to think Houston knew about it...or maybe with the strained relationship they were out of the loop.  Either way as a franchise they went from possibly losing their franchise QB but at least getting a haul back to nothing.......I think its safe to say they are on the clock for the 1st pick in 2022 draft

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8 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Did the Texans sign Tyrod Taylor the day before this Watson news broke?

Same day, something like 5 or 6 hours before the news broke the news came out that Tyrod was signed.

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Just now, Buckna said:

Same day, 5 or 6 hours before the news broke.

Obviously they would have had a little notice so it doesn’t necessarily mean anything but does add to any kind of conspiracy theory put there.

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It seems like an odd move by Watson to not take the reported settlement opportunity if the accusations are completely true or even have enough truth to them to tarnish his image.  The reported amount of settlement request (6 figures?) also seems like a fairly low amount for the kind of money Watson has and what he is accused of.  Maybe that settlement part isn't accurately reported even though it came from Watson's response?  These things don't always follow the logical path of course, but this seems a little odd on multiple levels.

It also seems highly unlikely the Texans would do anything like this as some have suggested, however we also know they don't like it when these "inmates" try to "run the prison" (Quotes from the owner's late father) and Watson is deep into the process of forcing his way out of town...  I've also seen this lawyers connection to the Texans ownership mentioned in several places including - not sure if that is true either.

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Obviously they would have had a little notice so it doesn’t necessarily mean anything but does add to any kind of conspiracy theory put there.

If they had any clue ahead of this before it broke, wouldn't they have just traded Watson to one of the teams begging them to take their picks?  How could they NOT have had any clue as well?  

Logic doesn't seem to have a seat at the table in Houston though so...

 

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All of it seems nuts...and again, even if he did do it (and NOTHING about his character and past would indicate this is who he is) IF he did do it, why wouldn't he have quickly and quietly paid them to hush? He's not stupid. Something just seems wrong here.... 

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13 hours ago, kittenmittens said:

If the Texans were not entirely incompetent they would have taken one of the offers before this started coming out. 

The Texans never heard about this and neither did the public; these were incidents from last year I believe, way before Deshaun asked out

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19 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

If they had any clue ahead of this before it broke, wouldn't they have just traded Watson to one of the teams begging them to take their picks?  How could they NOT have had any clue as well?  

Logic doesn't seem to have a seat at the table in Houston though so...

 

If they had knowledge this was going to happen and traded him to another NFL team for a killing, the McNairs would be blackballed. I mean these teams are competing against each other but the NFL is a partnership between the 32 teams.

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32 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

It seems like an odd move by Watson to not take the reported settlement opportunity if the accusations are completely true or even have enough truth to them to tarnish his image.  The reported amount of settlement request (6 figures?) also seems like a fairly low amount for the kind of money Watson has and what he is accused of.  Maybe that settlement part isn't accurately reported even though it came from Watson's response?  These things don't always follow the logical path of course, but this seems a little odd on multiple levels.

It also seems highly unlikely the Texans would do anything like this as some have suggested, however we also know they don't like it when these "inmates" try to "run the prison" (Quotes from the owner's late father) and Watson is deep into the process of forcing his way out of town...  I've also seen this lawyers connection to the Texans ownership mentioned in several places including - not sure if that is true either.

 

 

 

So maybe 6 figures doesn’t sound like a lot of money to us, but if he’s guilty and knows 12 more are going to follow, then 13 x 6 figures equal a whole garden full of cabbage.😬

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2 minutes ago, G-King said:

So maybe 6 figures doesn’t sound like a lot of money to us, but if he’s guilty and knows 12 more are going to follow, then 13 x 6 figures equal a whole garden full of cabbage.😬

Not nearly as much as 13 judgements against him plus the legal fees?  I'm no lawyer, but it seems like a settlement request amount would be calculated by some form of (estimated amount a judge would reward) x (estimated probability of judgement for plaintiff).

Probably doesn't make any sense trying to guess what we think people would do in certain situations but I guess speculation is what we're doing here.

 

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19 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

If they had knowledge this was going to happen and traded him to another NFL team for a killing, the McNairs would be blackballed. I mean these teams are competing against each other but the NFL is a partnership between the 32 teams.

Good point.  "We didn't know" seems pretty believable for them though.

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54 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

It seems like an odd move by Watson to not take the reported settlement opportunity if the accusations are completely true or even have enough truth to them to tarnish his image.  The reported amount of settlement request (6 figures?) also seems like a fairly low amount for the kind of money Watson has and what he is accused of.  Maybe that settlement part isn't accurately reported even though it came from Watson's response?  These things don't always follow the logical path of course, but this seems a little odd on multiple levels.

It also seems highly unlikely the Texans would do anything like this as some have suggested, however we also know they don't like it when these "inmates" try to "run the prison" (Quotes from the owner's late father) and Watson is deep into the process of forcing his way out of town...  I've also seen this lawyers connection to the Texans ownership mentioned in several places including - not sure if that is true either.

 

 

 

Maybe he doesn't think he did anything wrong.  Like maybe he's under the crazy assumption that massage therapists are always up to give a happy ending.  Yeah maybe there are a few that are going to get touchy (hence the apology text) but by and large they're usually down with it.  So he feels like this is no big deal and an accusation by one or two people will get blown over, but now the ones that were uncomfortable are all coming out of the woodwork.

Just smacks of a guy that doesn't think what he did was wrong.

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Four new lawsuits alleging sexual misconduct have been filed against Deshaun Watson.

The Houston Chronicle reported the new batch of suits filed by women who claim Watson engaged in misconduct during massage sessions. One of the new lawsuits alleges that Watson assaulted the same massage therapist twice in fall 2020. Six of the lawsuits accuse Watson of inappropriately touching women with his penis. He allegedly resisted wearing towels to cover his naked body during the massage sessions. The NFL has said it is investigating the allegations made against Watson, who is seeking a trade out of Houston. The league has not punished players based on civil lawsuits. 

SOURCE: ProFootballTalk.com 

Mar 19, 2021, 12:08 PM ET

 

 

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Watson's agent:

https://twitter.com/DavidMulugheta/status/1372948178996105216

@DavidMulugheta

Sexual assault is real. Victims should be heard, offenders prosecuted. Individuals fabricate stories in pursuit of financial gain often. Their victims should be heard, and those offenders also prosecuted. I simply hope we keep this same energy with the truth.

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57 minutes ago, Foosball God said:

Maybe he doesn't think he did anything wrong.  Like maybe he's under the crazy assumption that massage therapists are always up to give a happy ending.  Yeah maybe there are a few that are going to get touchy (hence the apology text) but by and large they're usually down with it.  So he feels like this is no big deal and an accusation by one or two people will get blown over, but now the ones that were uncomfortable are all coming out of the woodwork.

Just smacks of a guy that doesn't think what he did was wrong.

It’s sexual assault. He’s in big trouble. 

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And there are literally MILLIONS of horrible people who would actually lie and ruin a man's reputation for financial gain. Color me not shocked that 7 or 9 or even 79 women would sign up for this kind of payday. Sad world we live in. :(

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Fast moving story which is still developing but - so far - these are only civil lawsuits, correct?

Don't misconstrue the question to indicate my skepticism. I’m more of a “believe all women” kind of guy by default. Robert Kraft, Ravi Zacharius, et al. I’m not a criminal attorney but I imagine physical evidence / burden of proof might make criminal prosecution more difficult so maybe that’s why.

Have to wait to see how things play out. There’s a nonzero chance Deshaun Watson never plays another down on the NFL. There is also the possibility (which becomes slimmer with every new accusation) he did nothing wrong.

Crazy situation but not completely shocking either. Series of monumentally bad decisions by Watson if true. Wait and see...

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Just now, Enderdog said:

This all happened really fast.  How did the lawyer get all these women together in just a few days?

The attorney posted about the initial lawsuit on IG and asked for additional information and from that he has been contacted by several women. Allegedly.

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15 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

And there are literally MILLIONS of horrible people who would actually lie and ruin a man's reputation for financial gain. Color me not shocked that 7 or 9 or even 79 women would sign up for this kind of payday. Sad world we live in. :(

That would be one hell of a coincidence

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20 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

And there are literally MILLIONS of horrible people who would actually lie and ruin a man's reputation for financial gain. Color me not shocked that 7 or 9 or even 79 women would sign up for this kind of payday. Sad world we live in. :(

Are there many examples of 7+ women lying about a single person?

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1 hour ago, Foosball God said:

Maybe he doesn't think he did anything wrong.  Like maybe he's under the crazy assumption that massage therapists are always up to give a happy ending.  Yeah maybe there are a few that are going to get touchy (hence the apology text) but by and large they're usually down with it.  So he feels like this is no big deal and an accusation by one or two people will get blown over, but now the ones that were uncomfortable are all coming out of the woodwork.

Just smacks of a guy that doesn't think what he did was wrong.

This is certainly possible as well but it almost implies that Watson had no legal counsel of his own. 

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1 minute ago, massraider said:

Are there many examples of 7+ women lying about a single person?

And they are all randomly from different places.  If this was 1 maybe 2 women then spidey sense would perk up but 7-9.  Come on man.

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45 minutes ago, zoonation said:

It’s sexual assault. He’s in big trouble. 

I don't disagree, I'm saying that could have easily been his thought process.

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