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1 minute ago, pantherclub said:

Do you think he is fabricating all of this?   Out of thin air for the betterment of a nfl franchise?

He ran for mayor and is a politician in addition to being a high profile litigator. There exists the possibility he stands to gain personally both financially and in public opinion. 
 

Having said that, at the very least Watson looks guilty of making women uncomfortable. So it likely ends in a big settlement. 

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2 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

That’s a possibility, yes - among the many possibilities that exist in our collective lack of knowledge. 

Here’s what we know.  Several women were solicited by a top 5 QB in the nfl by dm on Instagram to give him private massages.  They all allege that he sexually assaulted them in some way.  That’s what we know.  Either they are all lying or he did it.  

That he is somehow being set up by the Texans to destroy his life because he wants out is flat earth conspiracy theory ####.   

 

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2 minutes ago, zoonation said:

Here’s what we know.  Several women were solicited by a top 5 QB in the nfl by dm on Instagram to give him private massages.  They all allege that he sexually assaulted them in some way.  That’s what we know.  Either they are all lying or he did it.  

That he is somehow being set up by the Texans to destroy his life because he wants out is flat earth conspiracy theory ####.   

 

Good post.  This is where the baseline starts.   Read this before you post again.  At the very minimum he is a moron.  

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5 minutes ago, BobbyLayne said:

Brother...I read my Bible every day and pray to Jesus. Even I know where men go to get a release.

Not all massage parlors or licensed masseuses are SW. But let’s say for the sake of conversation some of them worked at happy ending or even “full service” salons.

SW are human beings. If these women did not consent then what Watson allegedly did was criminal sexual assault. LE should be involved.

That said, he’s entitled to all the facts coming out before we convict and sentence him.

I don’t disagree with this.  I’m just saying I think he did it.  Of course he is and should be entitled to the presumption of innocence in a court of law.  But this is a message board.  

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3 minutes ago, zoonation said:

I don’t disagree with this.  I’m just saying I think he did it.  Of course he is and should be entitled to the presumption of innocence in a court of law.  But this is a message board.  

Agreed “believe all women” is a solid default

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Men are the worst (said as I’m looking in the mirror)

ETA: I don’t go around acting rapey in massage parlors but I’m tangentially involved with anti-trafficking - it’s all around us, in plain sight

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5 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

Please don't put words in my mouth are assume what you think I mean.

Take my most literally.  Spidey sense means you think something is up.  That's all I am saying.

No offense but it reads like they should know better.   When in fact I am too old to know how this game is played.  

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I have no idea what really happened here.  But the "owner is orchestrating it" thing is one of the more bizarre conspiracy theories I've read in some time.  It's QANon and Scientology wrapped into one.

Like McNair is going to risk jail time and his multi bajillion dollar lifestyle to try and orchestrate the perfect amount of foment against Watson such that it dissuades teams from trying to trade for him but doesn't bring any disciplinary action from the league nor ruin the reputation of what he hopes will be the face of his franchise for the next 10 years. 

It's beyond bizarre that this has even the smallest amount of legs, much less be something that has been brought up over and over again.

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5 minutes ago, pantherclub said:

No offense but it reads like they should know better.   When in fact I am too old to know how this game is played.  

They should probably know something isnt right, unless they think they are so awesome that people fly them in for a freaking massage.

It doesnt excuse any wrong doing on the part of Watson, but it's a whole other level of naive to think flying in somewhere for a massage is normal.

Lot of weird in this.

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1 minute ago, ghostguy123 said:

They should probably know something isnt right, unless they think they are so awesome that people fly them in for a freaking massage.

It doesnt excuse any wrong doing on the part of Watson, but it's a whole other level of naive to think flying in somewhere for a massage is normal.

Lot of weird in this.

Like I said.  I am not smart enough and too old to know how these games are played with 20 year olds.     I have to think though since it’s happening with such frequency that it’s a thing to do these days.  

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1 minute ago, ghostguy123 said:

They should probably know something isnt right, unless they think they are so awesome that people fly them in for a freaking massage.

It doesnt excuse any wrong doing on the part of Watson, but it's a whole other level of naive to think flying in somewhere for a massage is normal.

Lot of weird in this.

Plus his girlfriend is a model. It seems illogical he needs to fly strangers in from Georgia. But then it is hard to understand unless you have the same perversions. 
 

Having said this, I get a bad vibe from that lawyer. I think at the very least he distorts the truth, lies, etc...

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25 minutes ago, Blackbear said:

He ran for mayor and is a politician in addition to being a high profile litigator. There exists the possibility he stands to gain personally both financially and in public opinion. 
 

Having said that, at the very least Watson looks guilty of making women uncomfortable. So it likely ends in a big settlement. 

At the press conference he bragged about taking down some famous rancher. Seemed like he enjoys taking down big shots? 

This certainly doesn't look good for Watson at this point. 

I doubt this high profile but circus show lawyer is submitting 9 cases with Jane Doe plaintiffs and then having them all disappear mysteriously, so it seems really weird for it to be some conspiracy that he's sticking his neck out for.   Isn't there some court oversight in terms of made up allegations in lawsuits that he could get held accountable by? 

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I believe what I said on this the other day is still totally true. https://twitter.com/Football_Guys/status/1372537288257847296?s=20

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I don't know what actually happened with the Watson case other than a lawsuit has been filed alleging sexual assault. What I do know is dismissing the women because you love Watson or hate the Texans is gross. Please don't.

Please keep this 100% to football and don't speculate when you don't know the facts. Thanks. 

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1 minute ago, kittenmittens said:

At the press conference he bragged about taking down some famous rancher. Seemed like he enjoys taking down big shots? 

This certainly doesn't look good for Watson at this point. 

I doubt this high profile but circus show lawyer is submitting 9 cases with Jane Doe plaintiffs and then having them all disappear mysteriously, so it seems really weird for it to be some conspiracy that he's sticking his neck out for.   Isn't there some court oversight in terms of made up allegations in lawsuits that he could get held accountable by? 

He was an all-in MAGA supporter in 2016 but disavowed DJT after the Access Hollywood tape dropped. Couple months later he dropped $500K to the Inaugural committee. Not sure I would employ logic in trying to determine Buzbee’s motivation here. He’s a breed apart.

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4 minutes ago, BobbyLayne said:

He was an all-in MAGA supporter in 2016 but disavowed DJT after the Access Hollywood tape dropped. Couple months later he dropped $500K to the Inaugural committee. Not sure I would employ logic in trying to determine Buzbee’s motivation here. He’s a breed apart.

Politician. 

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5 hours ago, ghostguy123 said:

Personally, I believe a conspiracy set up by the team would make no sense.  How does this help them?

This front office has shown they have no clue what they're doing. Maybe they're just trying to ruin him? 

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Instead of speculating, why don't we address that Watson has retained Rusty Hardin, noted Houston attorney for his defense? This is the guy that defended Roger Clemens from the feds when they came after him for obstruction and perjury during his steroid issue. The jury found him not guilty. Sure enough, if this is all a house of cards, Hardin will be the guy to get to the bottom of it.

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3 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Instead of speculating, why don't we address that Watson has retained Rusty Hardin, noted Houston attorney for his defense? This is the guy that defended Roger Clemens from the feds when they came after him for obstruction and perjury during his steroid issue. The jury found him not guilty. Sure enough, if this is all a house of cards, Hardin will be the guy to get to the bottom of it.

What what what? Wait and see? Evidence? Defense? Watson might not actually be guilty of anything? 

Come now man, that’s downright sensible! That has no place in this topic. What would everyone do with their torches & pitchforks?!  You can’t just expect an angry mob to go home once it’s formed.  Crazy talk! 

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1 minute ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

What what what? Wait and see? Evidence? Defense? Watson might not actually be guilty of anything? 

Come now man, that’s downright sensible! That has no place in this topic. What would everyone do with their torches & pitchforks?!  You can’t just expect an angry mob to go home once it’s formed.  Crazy talk! 

lol

He’s guilty of being a moron 

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3 hours ago, Blackbear said:

He ran for mayor and is a politician in addition to being a high profile litigator. There exists the possibility he stands to gain personally both financially and in public opinion. 
 

Having said that, at the very least Watson looks guilty of making women uncomfortable. So it likely ends in a big settlement. 

This is exactly what will happen. Since the criminal justice system so often fails the victims, many view the civil route as a better alternative. Don't see this hurting Watson on the field in any significant way, as after the settlements are reached everything will be sealed, but it will hurt his bottom line in the future.

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17 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

What what what? Wait and see? Evidence? Defense? Watson might not actually be guilty of anything? 

Come now man, that’s downright sensible! That has no place in this topic. What would everyone do with their torches & pitchforks?!  You can’t just expect an angry mob to go home once it’s formed.  Crazy talk! 

lol

I think he was being sarcastic

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22 minutes ago, Alex P Keaton said:

I think he was being sarcastic

No, I was dead serious, actually. Hardin is about as good as it gets, apparently for pre-trial stuff as well. If Watson is innocent, he'll hopefully get to the bottom of it.

You might know my stance about allegations like this from the political subforum. People are innocent until proven guilty, IMO, and I'm not rushing to judgment because I have the luxury of a ton of time on my hands and nothing to do with it, really, but wait for the truth to come out. Whether that happens in weeks or months is no matter to me. 

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Just now, rockaction said:

No, I was dead serious, actually. Hardin is about as good as it gets, apparently for pre-trial stuff as well. If Watson is innocent, he'll hopefully get to the bottom of it.

You might know my stance about allegations like this from the political subforum. People are innocent until proven guilty, IMO, and I'm not rushing to judgment because I have the luxury of a ton of time on my hands and nothing to do with it, really, but wait for the truth to come out. Whether that happens in weeks or months is no matter to me. 

My bad.   Wasn’t making a comment on your views, more on the defense lawyer’s history.

This whole situation is a combo of disturbing and sad.

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21 minutes ago, Alex P Keaton said:

My bad.   Wasn’t making a comment on your views, more on the defense lawyer’s history.

This whole situation is a combo of disturbing and sad.

Ah, I see. No biggie. I agree that the situation is a disturbing and sad combo. Reminds me of Kirby Puckett, who was similarly beloved yet had a terrible history in tow. I hope that isn't the case with Deshaun. Time will tell. 

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The only thing we can do is wait. Watson and the "Jane Does" have obtained lawyers. Houston PD may investigate. I'm not going to rush to judgement till the evidence is presented and see where the cases go. The NFL will most likely place Watson on the commissioner's list and we could be looking at a very long road to "opinion of the truth" based off the evidence.

Buckle up. This could be a long journey.  I rushed to judgement on Tyreek Hill and though the cases are totally different the emotion of a child being harmed was very powerful. I won't make the same mistake again.  Watson is innocent till proven guilty and the burden of proof must be based on the evidence.

 

 

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1 hour ago, osubuckeyeman said:

The only thing we can do is wait. Watson and the "Jane Does" have obtained lawyers. Houston PD may investigate. I'm not going to rush to judgement till the evidence is presented and see where the cases go. The NFL will most likely place Watson on the commissioner's list and we could be looking at a very long road to "opinion of the truth" based off the evidence.

Buckle up. This could be a long journey.  I rushed to judgement on Tyreek Hill and though the cases are totally different the emotion of a child being harmed was very powerful. I won't make the same mistake again.  Watson is innocent till proven guilty and the burden of proof must be based on the evidence.

This seems logical.   I don’t know the facts and am not going to rush to judgement either.   Where there is smoke there is likely fire and Watson behaved poorly but I have no idea as to what extent.  

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15 hours ago, kittenmittens said:

.   Isn't there some court oversight in terms of made up allegations in lawsuits that he could get held accountable by? 

At the very least he would be at significant risk of losing his license to practice (disbarred).  

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Even if Watson is totally innocent of inappropriate behavior.....he is a complete and total moron for exposing himself (legally speaking) in this manner.

You have special (legitimate) massage needs? Hire one full time legitimate professional who understands this and is ok with it. 

Flying in outside "masseuses" from Instagram was just about the stupidest thing someone in his position could do, especially in this climate. (Even if some of them are legitimate)

Some folks just don't deserve to be rich 

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18 hours ago, ghostguy123 said:

If I was a massage therapist and someone is flying me in for a massage, my spidey senses would be tingling just a bit.

Not me.  I'd expect to be privately flown places.  If I Decide to become a massage therapist I'm going to be the best.

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3 hours ago, -OZ- said:

At the very least he would be at significant risk of losing his license to practice (disbarred).  

Let's say he is doing a hit job to take down Watson and all of the cases just go away at a point before any cases actually move forward in court.  Lawyer says that now that this is so public that none of the accusers want to come forward and cases are dropped.  He says the accusers are anonymous and anything they worked with him on is attorney client privilege and he is protecting their identity. 

Could he actually get away with that or something like it?  If not, I think you could rule out that its some conspiracy.  I know that SLAPP lawsuits happen all the time where the plaintiff is using the courts as a weapon against the defendant, but I don't know enough about that type of thing to apply it to this situation. 

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I think we can be pretty comfortable that an attorney of Buzbee's quality and experience isn't going to start a case without sufficient evidence to meet the legal threshold. He's said he is going to turn over affidavits to the Houston PD tomorrow. Those will be sworn statements from the women - some or all - that have initiated suits. Neither of these attorneys is going to be doing anything short of what the law requires, and neither would be involved if they didn't think they have the facts to back up any allegation they assert. I think the issues will be the questions of what each claimant says happened compared to what Watson says, and what crimes those facts establish. I have no idea, though, as to what the facts will show. 

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The Houston Chronicle's John McClain believes Deshaun Watson is "still destined to be traded."

Watson's legal issues could delay the timing of when he's traded, but signs still point to a deal being made. Teams will likely want to know the results of the NFL’s investigation into Watson and whether he'll be suspended under the personal conduct policy. McClain suggests it's possible Watson isn't moved until the trade deadline or before the 2022 draft. Houston was hoping to get three first-round picks for Watson but are going to have to lower their asking price. The Panthers, Eagles, Jets, Dolphins, 49ers, and Broncos have "remained interested" in trading for Watson.

SOURCE: Houston Chronicle

Mar 21, 2021, 12:16 PM ET

 

 

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15 hours ago, menobrown said:

Buzzbee is now saying they will turn over evidence and affidavits to HPD and Houston DA on Monday.

Lawyer representing women plans to submit evidence, affidavits in Deshaun Watson case on Monday

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HOUSTON -- Attorney Tony Buzbee said in an Instagram post on Saturday that he will submit affidavits and evidence from several women alleging inappropriate conduct and sexual assault by NFL quarterback Deshaun Watson to the Houston Police Department and the Houston district attorney on Monday morning.

Buzbee also said he will request that a grand jury consider the evidence.

The district attorney would decide whether to grant Buzbee's request for a grand jury. If granted, the grand jury would then decide, through witness testimony closed to the public, if there is enough evidence to succeed at trial and in turn determine whether charges should be brought against Watson by the state of Texas.

This past week, Buzbee filed seven lawsuits against Watson on behalf of women alleging the inappropriate conduct and sexual assault by the Houston Texans' quarterback. Buzbee also said in a news conference on Friday he will file an additional five lawsuits against Watson "in due course." Buzbee added that his law firm has spoken to "more than 10 additional women" who have come forward with reports about similar conduct from the quarterback.

On Friday, Buzbee said his office has been in contact with police and that he would provide information to them about the women who intend to sue Watson. The Houston Police Department said it was unaware of any contact it had with Buzbee regarding the allegations or the filings of any incident reports, and the lawyer later clarified on social media that the contact he referenced earlier was with a detective who reached out to him. Buzbee also said Friday he is not aware of any police reports filed before the civil suits.

On Thursday, NFL spokesperson Brian McCarthy said "the matter is under review" of the league's personal conduct policy, and the Texans said in a statement that they would stay in close contact with the NFL during its investigation.

 

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1 hour ago, Catbird said:

I think we can be pretty comfortable that an attorney of Buzbee's quality and experience isn't going to start a case without sufficient evidence to meet the legal threshold. He's said he is going to turn over affidavits to the Houston PD tomorrow. Those will be sworn statements from the women - some or all - that have initiated suits. Neither of these attorneys is going to be doing anything short of what the law requires, and neither would be involved if they didn't think they have the facts to back up any allegation they assert. I think the issues will be the questions of what each claimant says happened compared to what Watson says, and what crimes those facts establish. I have no idea, though, as to what the facts will show. 

Sure but keep in mind Buzbee is an attorney in civil cases which have a lighter burden of proof.

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23 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I’m not on either side, yet, but have you heard 20 women actually say it? I’ve heard one attorney claim it.

Vs what we saw come out vs the current NY Gov where these women jumped on Primetime TV and the actual stories as they tell them sound all too real for folks who know powerful men like a State Gov as an example. I'm trying to side step names here so we can stick on topic but I agree with your post. I have to see a lot more evidence and social media doesn't carry a lot of weight for me. 

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21 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

I have no idea what really happened here.  But the "owner is orchestrating it" thing is one of the more bizarre conspiracy theories I've read in some time.  It's QANon and Scientology wrapped into one.

Like McNair is going to risk jail time and his multi bajillion dollar lifestyle to try and orchestrate the perfect amount of foment against Watson such that it dissuades teams from trying to trade for him but doesn't bring any disciplinary action from the league nor ruin the reputation of what he hopes will be the face of his franchise for the next 10 years. 

It's beyond bizarre that this has even the smallest amount of legs, much less be something that has been brought up over and over again.

Except the timing and the fact the Draft is weeks away and teams have heard Watson request a trade and refuses to speak with the Texans which put him on an island and somewhat of an easy target. How could an NFL team trade for him at this point with all of these accusations looming? McNair/Houston? How about Stephen Ross and the Miami Dolphins to force Houston into a trade so they will cave and take a couple 1st rounders and move forward? Or Tepper and Carolina so they can get Houston to play ball? The conspiracy is with owners trading FOR Watson, not the Texans IMHO...and I'm not sure I can believe the conspiracy a lot beyond some light banter. 

That said I will say I would like to hear all 20 women filing their complaints and what actually transpired. If Watson admits he did see all these different women over a short period of time, it would lend a lot of credibility that perhaps something transpired. 

I would expect the NFL teams to employ Team Massage Therapists that are 100% professional and do these rub downs in plain sight in full view so there is no hanky panky, it's hard to comprehend why athletes with boat loads of money put themselves in these situations. 

And not to mention if someone like Watson really wants something he can "pay" for there are plenty of avenues to do that all above board or close to it where he would have privacy and nobody would be the wiser. 

20 is a lot of women if all these accusations are true. 

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On 3/20/2021 at 4:25 PM, ghostguy123 said:

If I was a massage therapist and someone is flying me in for a massage, my spidey senses would be tingling just a bit.

Agree, but that's right there at the line of saying something like "she should have know better than to dress like that".  Women shouldn't have to worry about being propositioned or sexually assaulted on the job.  Massage therapists, the good ones, take classes and training.  They are physical therapists.

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18 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

What what what? Wait and see? Evidence? Defense? Watson might not actually be guilty of anything?

 

This has now fallen into the court of public opinion.

If I was tasked with running PR/Crisis Management here, and try to take control of the national narrative, I would assess if these women were sex workers or not. Lots of sex workers are on social media. It's not a huge secret. It could be all of these women were sex workers. Or some of them. Or none of them.

What Watson needs right now is other men to  come forward, men who are not linked to him, his career, the NFL, his sponsors, his former university, his family, nothing. And these men need to say Woman X who accused Watson, I paid her for sex.

Why would those men do that though? They risk public embarrassment and being targeted themselves. And unlike Watson, they may not have his kind of financial warchest to fall back on.

The other consideration is, under the scenario that some or all of these women were sex workers, there's a good chance they were involved with other professional athletes, making it even harder for someone to come forward.

For Dynasty owners (this is not assessing guilt nor innocence nor right nor wrong, this is what will determine what actually happens)  -

Part 1 ) Watson would need this counter narrative to happen to about 20 percent of his accusers. This would enough to lay enough doubt to have some kind of career. Outside of that, his career in the NFL is over.

Part 2) The "Hail Mary" from a PR perspective is for Watson to come out as bi-sexual. It could be true or maybe not. It would require another person, a male, to come forward. Then Watson would become the highest profile bi-sexual NFL player in league history. That's a narrative that can be spun. I'm looking at the blue print in my head, and I could spin that into salvaging a career in the NFL ( i.e. "I paid for sex because I felt fear for being the true me, but I'm not afraid anymore" ) , but Watson simply may have less skilled people working for him or his attorneys on his roster. If this doesn't happen soon, his career looks over.

Part 3) On the wing and a prayer that Watson somehow survives this and keeps playing (NFL owners would need to trade forward the first female NFL GM and some semblance of women in the coaching ranks, but unlike MLB, they don't have a Kim Ng waiting in the wings) , he would need to go a non major market. The NFL won't let him go to NY, Miami, LA, Dallas, etc, etc. He would need to wait 6 months then marry a non celebrity. ( Big Ben got caught up in this kind of packaged deal to move past his own scandal long ago)

Key indicators will be Watson entering into some kind of sexual addiction rehab program.

The first press release by his owner and by the Commissioner will be the biggest clue on what future dynasty value Watson holds in fantasy football.

If you see an immediate distinction in speech between Watson as a player versus the person, then he's done. No matter what else is said, he's done. That's standard spin control for a controlled dump.

Watson's representation, Athletes First, will have some problems here. No matter how wayward the player, it's their job to manage any kind of media optics. They couldn't seal off this story and that's going to be held against them. "That's not fair though" Well, it's not supposed to be fair, it's just how it works. Their job is to protect the client from others, but mostly, to protect him from himself. Every major agency has a cadre of fixers. It's their job to clean up even the filthiest messes.

This situation was a failure on multiple levels. If women were actually harmed, that's unacceptable. But there is a wider context here, besides the shock jock marketing on social media, in terms of fallout for the league itself, real football and fantasy.

CTD is an industry term for "Circling The Drain". I.E. there is a exponential rate of diminishing returns to try to reset this narrative. This is very likely past the point of no return. Dynasty owners take note. Holding is still the best long shot value play. However, if you are committed to the dump, wait and sell at the first "counter narrative", the point where Watson's people make their hardest push, through media back channels, to make it seem like the NFL might give him another chance.

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2 hours ago, GordonGekko said:

 

This has now fallen into the court of public opinion.

If I was tasked with running PR/Crisis Management here, and try to take control of the national narrative, I would assess if these women were sex workers or not. Lots of sex workers are on social media. It's not a huge secret. It could be all of these women were sex workers. Or some of them. Or none of them.

What Watson needs right now is other men to  come forward, men who are not linked to him, his career, the NFL, his sponsors, his former university, his family, nothing. And these men need to say Woman X who accused Watson, I paid her for sex.

Why would those men do that though? They risk public embarrassment and being targeted themselves. And unlike Watson, they may not have his kind of financial warchest to fall back on.

The other consideration is, under the scenario that some or all of these women were sex workers, there's a good chance they were involved with other professional athletes, making it even harder for someone to come forward.

For Dynasty owners (this is not assessing guilt nor innocence nor right nor wrong, this is what will determine what actually happens)  -

Part 1 ) Watson would need this counter narrative to happen to about 20 percent of his accusers. This would enough to lay enough doubt to have some kind of career. Outside of that, his career in the NFL is over.

Part 2) The "Hail Mary" from a PR perspective is for Watson to come out as bi-sexual. It could be true or maybe not. It would require another person, a male, to come forward. Then Watson would become the highest profile bi-sexual NFL player in league history. That's a narrative that can be spun. I'm looking at the blue print in my head, and I could spin that into salvaging a career in the NFL ( i.e. "I paid for sex because I felt fear for being the true me, but I'm not afraid anymore" ) , but Watson simply may have less skilled people working for him or his attorneys on his roster. If this doesn't happen soon, his career looks over.

Part 3) On the wing and a prayer that Watson somehow survives this and keeps playing (NFL owners would need to trade forward the first female NFL GM and some semblance of women in the coaching ranks, but unlike MLB, they don't have a Kim Ng waiting in the wings) , he would need to go a non major market. The NFL won't let him go to NY, Miami, LA, Dallas, etc, etc. He would need to wait 6 months then marry a non celebrity. ( Big Ben got caught up in this kind of packaged deal to move past his own scandal long ago)

Key indicators will be Watson entering into some kind of sexual addiction rehab program.

The first press release by his owner and by the Commissioner will be the biggest clue on what future dynasty value Watson holds in fantasy football.

If you see an immediate distinction in speech between Watson as a player versus the person, then he's done. No matter what else is said, he's done. That's standard spin control for a controlled dump.

Watson's representation, Athletes First, will have some problems here. No matter how wayward the player, it's their job to manage any kind of media optics. They couldn't seal off this story and that's going to be held against them. "That's not fair though" Well, it's not supposed to be fair, it's just how it works. Their job is to protect the client from others, but mostly, to protect him from himself. Every major agency has a cadre of fixers. It's their job to clean up even the filthiest messes.

This situation was a failure on multiple levels. If women were actually harmed, that's unacceptable. But there is a wider context here, besides the shock jock marketing on social media, in terms of fallout for the league itself, real football and fantasy.

CTD is an industry term for "Circling The Drain". I.E. there is a exponential rate of diminishing returns to try to reset this narrative. This is very likely past the point of no return. Dynasty owners take note. Holding is still the best long shot value play. However, if you are committed to the dump, wait and sell at the first "counter narrative", the point where Watson's people make their hardest push, through media back channels, to make it seem like the NFL might give him another chance.

Like the mob, just when I thought I was out they sucked me back in.

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first off, that was a thorough and entertaining contribution to this topic. I’m not sure how entirely valid it all is, but some of it definitely rings true & jives with what I’ve heard about marketing, and public relations for sports figures.

That said, there is also the possibility that this is a shakedown.

Note that I am not weighting the likelihood of this as compared to the doomsday scenarios you listed… But it is a possibility

Watson has exactly 0 reputation for any sort of wrongdoing for his entire life. & this came literally out of the blue. 

I would also suggest that (to one of your points), if these girls are sex workers there could be other evidence available that does not require first-hand witnesses to come forward as you suggest. I agree that the chance of someone putting their own reputation on the line is slim to none, but let’s say an ad surfaces with one of the girls advertising their adult entertainment, or other sorts of “executive massage“ services… That would certainly be enough to cast doubt on all of the accusers.

Whether Watson received or requested a “happy ending“ or otherwise, the only truly relevant issue is whether it was consensual or not. If when flying these women in for their services there was some expectation of “extras” then this really could be a case of after the fact deciding how consensual the experience was, and now maybe it’s financially beneficial for it to become non-consensual. They could also have been encouraged by this attorney.

again, I am still in wait and see mode, I truly have no idea where this is going… I’m simply suggesting there are alternate scenarios that could either clear Watson entirely, or at least change the judgment in the public eye.

It could well be that 12+ cases of attempted sexual assault Will be called 12+ cases of solicitation of prostitution. less than ideal, but in no way likely to he career-ending.

we will collectively find out more in the coming days. Should be interesting.

ETA: in my opinion, if the police decline to prosecute, and no grand jury is seated, then this is a non-issue as those parties will have deemed the accusers to be non-credible. That’s the next Domino I’m waiting to fall. Press conferences are garbage. If Watson gets charged with a crime, or there’s enough there for a grand jury, he’s probably toast. 

On a personal note, I feel like I dodged a huge bullet… The day before the story broke, my leagues trading unlocked and I was in serious talk With the Watson owner about doing Mahomes, & M.Evans For Watson, Tee Higgins, and CEH. We paused talks as I said I wanted to wait to see where Watson ended up. Whew. 

 

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