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3 minutes ago, zeeshan2 said:

a 13th lawsuit has been filed against Deshaun

Yep - Faust beat ya to it by an hour+
 

don’t feel bad. He is omnipresent and I’m honestly not sure if he is in fact a highly sophisticated AI that’s been programmed to also be a football fan. 

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And now you see why women are hesitant to come forward, you have 13 of them saying the same thing and still there is a not insignificant amount of people who assume they are just trying to hustle a bu

I find it humorous that some people think it's just an easy thing for a woman to lie about something like this about a high profile person, let alone finding 15+.  Like they just decide they're lookin

Any word on Bill Cosby?

1 minute ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Not saying that these women are or aren’t, but if you’re telling me that I have to make the simplest assumption because it’s the correct one, well....

You think that's the simplest assumption?  And not that a stud QB who has been treated like royalty for the past decade is in any way maladjusted or feels like he is entitled to whatever urge he wants to give in to?

If they were whores, we would already know it.

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8 minutes ago, tangfoot said:

You think that's the simplest assumption? 
 

that he flew these girls in and didn’t just go get a massage or book a local person to come give him a massage makes it the simplest explanation based on what we know, yes. 

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And not that a stud QB who has been treated like royalty for the past decade is in any way maladjusted or feels like he is entitled to whatever urge he wants to give in to?

I’m not in a position to judge that, and honestly neither are you. Or anyone. 

and frankly it’s irrelevant to the point I just made. You said Occam’s Razor. I’m merely pointing out that if we’re to make assumptions based on the most likely scenario, that flying in 10-13-15-20 different women for “massage” tells me they may not just be offering massage services. 

if a masseuse is so good that her work is in demand enough and preferred enough  by a client, I could totally see flying that 1 masseuse in 20x.

but why fly in 15 different women to massage you once? See, that makes no sense, Occam’s Razor-wise. 

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if they were whores, we would already know it

I disagree, but that’s irrelefant to my point, which is about Occam’s Razor, not whether they are or aren’t hookers. 

At this point we don’t know. But again - if I’m being asked to look at the information we have and make the simplest assumption, there ya go.

ETA: and to be 100% clear, I’m *not* saying there women are prostitutes. I’m saying we don’t yet know enough to make any sort of Occam’s Razor-esque logical conclusion. 

My statement was an example of why Occam’s Razor might fail you here. 

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1 minute ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

but why fly in 15 different women to massage you once?

No kink shaming.

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1 minute ago, tangfoot said:

No kink shaming.

lol - not in the slightest. But ironically, by saying that you’re also implying that it was sexual in nature & not therapeutic. 

Occam’s Razor cuts both ways, which was my point. 

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13 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Yep - Faust beat ya to it by an hour+
 

don’t feel bad. He is omnipresent and I’m honestly not sure if he is in fact a highly sophisticated AI that’s been programmed to also be a football fan. 


 

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15 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Yep - Faust beat ya to it by an hour+
 

don’t feel bad. He is omnipresent and I’m honestly not sure if he is in fact a highly sophisticated AI that’s been programmed to also be a football fan. 


 

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3 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I think that's an excellent question. Why does one get the benefit of the doubt while the other doesn't? 

 

It probably does generally fit Occam's razor that a young man was being creepy and engaging in stupid behavior.  There are a lot of examples of people with choir boy public personas turning out to be creeps.  I was just pointing out that the same "nobody could be that stupid" logic applies to Watson's levels of alleged stupid. 

Obviously crimes happen every day, and after they are caught the criminals themselves wonder how they could have been so stupid... so I do get how we might not question it.

This story is so messed up.  Appreciate the insight from people far less stupid than me.

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2 hours ago, Ministry of Pain said:

With all due respect to a poster who i know I share very little of the same thoughts and opinions with OUTSIDE of football but a person who i deeply respect and always read their posts slowly in the Shark Pool(We tend to agree in here) so I am treading lightly here my friend. 

I'm just reading back to you the way I read it. Cosby started similar so Watson must be the same kind of guy...maybe I misread that. 

-Lifetime ban seemed sudden when you thrust it into a post, just saying. 

I read it as he is already guilty in your eyes and that's fine, people are entitled to think whatever they like, the lawyers are counting on it that represent these 20+ women suddenly. 

I'm a little surprised so many folks can't see the difference between something like this and a person who drugs innocent fans and actresses and whoever(Cosby specifically) and what we are hearing about Watson. 

_Not that it needs to be this extreme but you brought up Cosby, not me, and drugging and then forcibly raping an unconscious human vs anything I am reading so far which by the way have seen no evidence yet. 

Bobby, you are a highly intelligent man or i wouldn't go deep or this far, would just keep moving along but I read what you posted and I just wanted to give you a reflection of what I am seeing. 

Love you, love your SP posts and I don't want to be the guy who really tries to challenge you and your convictions/beliefs but this one I am having a hard time understanding all the angles on this story and am a little jealous so many of you seem to have found enough to pass judgement already is what i am getting at. 

Cheers Friend

that is the worst idea I’ve ever heard in my life

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24 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

It probably does generally fit Occam's razor that a young man was being creepy and engaging in stupid behavior.  There are a lot of examples of people with choir boy public personas turning out to be creeps.  I was just pointing out that the same "nobody could be that stupid" logic applies to Watson's levels of alleged stupid. 
 

I don’t disagree, but the thing about this story is that there are several angles that Occam’s Razor doesn’t neatly apply on both the alleged Watson the creep side & the alleged x# of women victimized side.

So much of this story doesn’t add up - I won’t rehash all the ways because they’ve all been covered here extensively already, but applying “the simplest explanations” here can lead to any number of incorrect assumptions simply because of how weird a lot of this is. 

And the timing is also super weird. I don’t know if it’s relevant, but it can’t simply be waved off with the broad brush of “coincidence”. Thinking Occam’s Razor stares at that aspect pretty hard, squints & pours itself a shot of bourbon.

:shrug: 

I agree. It’s weird as hell. I sincerely hope that allegations being levied at Watson aren’t accurate, because he’s a likable guy & a fun player to watch. Related to that I hope this because then there aren’t 10-13-20 assault victims. I don’t ever like to hear about women being assaulted by anyone, ever. 

If the allegations are true, it’s really an abrupt change in how Watson has been perceived for nearly a decade. Tiger  Woods comes to mind, though his relationships were consensual IIRC. He went through the PR ringer but didn’t really suffer professionally as a result of his deep and lasting affection for bleached blond trailer chicks. But similar in that his fall from grace was incredibly fast - no one knew anything about Tiger’s proclivities until he got busted & then it all came out.

That could be the case here. We’ll see I guess.  

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3 hours ago, Ministry of Pain said:

 yet he was an underdog of sorts coming into the NFL 

I actually really do like Watson the player and what we thought we knew about him. 

But does this sound like an underdog? 🤔

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CFP National Championship Offensive MVP (2016)

Best Male College Athlete ESPY Award (2017)

Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award (2016)

ACC Athlete of the Year (2016, 2017)

2× Davey O'Brien Award (2015, 2016)

2× Manning Award (2015, 2016)

2× Heisman Trophy finalist (2015, 2016)

Heisman Trophy runner-up (2016)

ACC Player of the Year (2015)

ACC Offensive Player of the Year (2015)

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I have a weird feeling that Watson ends up settling a bunch of cases and then moves on to football.  Before the draft???  Perhaps.  

Just a gut feeling I had over the past hour.

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14 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

I have a weird feeling that Watson ends up setting a bunch of cases and then moves on to football.  Before the draft???  Perhaps.  

Just a gut feeling I had over the past hour.

Settling you mean? And you think he avoids any punishment from the NFL and plays right away? 

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1 hour ago, -OZ- said:

I actually really do like Watson the player and what we thought we knew about him. 

But does this sound like an underdog? 🤔

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CFP National Champion (2016)

CFP National Championship Offensive MVP (2016)

Best Male College Athlete ESPY Award (2017)

Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award (2016)

ACC Athlete of the Year (2016, 2017)

2× Davey O'Brien Award (2015, 2016)

2× Manning Award (2015, 2016)

2× Heisman Trophy finalist (2015, 2016)

Heisman Trophy runner-up (2016)

ACC Player of the Year (2015)

ACC Offensive Player of the Year (2015)

Consensus All-American (2015)

Second-team All-ACC (2016)

USA Today High School All-American (2013)

And that's the point, with all his accolades he still fell past the Top 10, but it's a moot point at this particular moment, just saying I really liked that he was not a sure fire No 1 pick. 

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42 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

I have a weird feeling that Watson ends up settling a bunch of cases and then moves on to football.  Before the draft???  Perhaps.  

Just a gut feeling I had over the past hour.

I remember how bad things looked for Tyreek for awhile there, too. More than one person on here had him never playing another down of football. And then, 54 million dollars later...I’m not saying you’re right, because things do look really, really bad for Deshaun right now. But I wouldn’t be panic selling him in dynasty just yet. 

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49 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

And that's the point, with all his accolades he still fell past the Top 10, but it's a moot point at this particular moment, just saying I really liked that he was not a sure fire No 1 pick. 

Ah, gotcha.

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1 hour ago, ghostguy123 said:

I have a weird feeling that Watson ends up settling a bunch of cases and then moves on to football.  Before the draft???  Perhaps.  

Just a gut feeling I had over the past hour.

I think most equate settling to being guilty of the accusations.....I realize some here are ready to fire up examples immediately upon me typing that of why sometimes its better to "settle" even if you are innocent.....but if he "settles" with a bunch of these women, do we really think that it just magically goes away and everybody forgets about it come Sundays...this sounds bad, but that might be the case if it was just one woman/incident......but 12+...?...can you recover from settling multiple incidents of such behavior....as a fan I think would struggle having my QB be a guy that "settled" multiple cases (that have already been filed) of this kind of stuff.....as an organization I would struggle having him as the face of my franchise....I realize there are a ton of non choir boys in the league.....but it feels to me like this is going to be tough to recover from....it sounds like it wasn't just a one and done type of thing....not sure if I said that right.....but I think there is a chance he may not see another NFL snap....

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1 minute ago, Stinkin Ref said:

I think most equate settling to being guilty of the accusations.....I realize some here are ready to fire up examples immediately upon me typing that of why sometimes its better to "settle" even if you are innocent.....but if he "settles" with a bunch of these women, do we really think that it just magically goes away and everybody forgets about it come Sundays...this sounds bad, but that might be the case if it was just one woman/incident......but 12+...?...can you recover from settling multiple incidents of such behavior....as a fan I think would struggle having my QB be a guy that "settled" multiple cases (that have already been filed) of this kind of stuff.....as an organization I would struggle having him as the face of my franchise....I realize there are a ton of non choir boys in the league.....but it feels to me like this is going to be tough to recover from....it sounds like it wasn't just a one and done type of thing....not sure if I said that right.....but I think there is a chance he may not see another NFL snap....

I haven't followed all the accusations. So I'm definitely not suggesting this is the case.  But if that truth is he was bringing women in to massage and provide a happy ending, consensually, that could be recoverable.  

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58 minutes ago, JoeJoe88 said:

I remember how bad things looked for Tyreek for awhile there, too. More than one person on here had him never playing another down of football. And then, 54 million dollars later...I’m not saying you’re right, because things do look really, really bad for Deshaun right now. But I wouldn’t be panic selling him in dynasty just yet. 

Yeah but Tyreek had 1 person he was dealing with, the sheer number of women coming forward against Watson makes it a completely different ball game IMO. It's crazy.

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11 minutes ago, -OZ- said:

I haven't followed all the accusations. So I'm definitely not suggesting this is the case.  But if that truth is he was bringing women in to massage and provide a happy ending, consensually, that could be recoverable.  

I guess I'm not real sure what angle you are coming from.....at least 12 have basically said things weren't consensual by filing suit....maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying...

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1 hour ago, ghostguy123 said:

I have a weird feeling that Watson ends up settling a bunch of cases and then moves on to football.  Before the draft???  Perhaps.  

Just a gut feeling I had over the past hour.

Why would he move on if he settles? 

dude’s 25. Teams are still going to be interested in him. 

 

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1 hour ago, JoeJoe88 said:

I remember how bad things looked for Tyreek for awhile there, too. More than one person on here had him never playing another down of football. And then, 54 million dollars later...I’m not saying you’re right, because things do look really, really bad for Deshaun right now. But I wouldn’t be panic selling him in dynasty just yet. 

I was one of those guys. I coulda had him for Courtland Sutton & a mid 2nd. 

I watched the video and hit “reject”

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38 minutes ago, Stinkin Ref said:

I think most equate settling to being guilty of the accusations.....I realize some here are ready to fire up examples immediately upon me typing that of why sometimes its better to "settle" even if you are innocent.....but if he "settles" with a bunch of these women, do we really think that it just magically goes away and everybody forgets about it come Sundays...this sounds bad, but that might be the case if it was just one woman/incident......but 12+...?...can you recover from settling multiple incidents of such behavior....as a fan I think would struggle having my QB be a guy that "settled" multiple cases (that have already been filed) of this kind of stuff.....as an organization I would struggle having him as the face of my franchise....I realize there are a ton of non choir boys in the league.....but it feels to me like this is going to be tough to recover from....it sounds like it wasn't just a one and done type of thing....not sure if I said that right.....but I think there is a chance he may not see another NFL snap....

Assuming when the facts come out there’s good faith evidence that all of these women were assaulted? 

Definitely. 

Short of that? Like “settled out of court, police declined to press charges, no criminal record? 

he’ll get a 6-game suspension & people will be upset when seeing him play for their team, but happy when he wins them games. 

And the NFL will speak of it in hushed tones while counting the money as the entire incident quietly fades into people’s memory holes. 

But if he settles & evidence surfaces, that’s another story.

Not saying it’s right. Just saying what I think will happen. 

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28 minutes ago, foxco said:

Yeah but Tyreek had 1 person he was dealing with, the sheer number of women coming forward against Watson makes it a completely different ball game IMO. It's crazy.

Unless he settles and it never results in a legal finding.

“Settles with admission of guilt & attends classes and comes out with a rehabilitation story”? Yeah, he’s toast.

Lots of possible outcomes if it goes to court, none of them pretty. 

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10 hours ago, BobbyLayne said:

For anyone who knows...

Cosby started out as civil lawsuits, right?

First criminal case that results in charges being filed probably results in an indefinite suspension?

First criminal conviction means lifetime ban?

None of that has happened but seems likely that’s where this might be headed, right?

Watson didn't drug and then penetrate women against their will. The allegations are creepy but not in the same ball park. (once again, aside from the one allegation of forced oral sex)

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49 minutes ago, DirtyCashDylan said:

 aside from the one allegation of forced oral sex)

That's such an odd allegation....I mean, people have teeth, right? Seems like a very risky thing to do, all things considered. :unsure:

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22 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

That's such an odd allegation....I mean, people have teeth, right? Seems like a very risky thing to do, all things considered. :unsure:

You might be on to something. Maybe he was flying people in because he was searching for massage therapists without teeth and they were tough to find. 

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While it would be nice if Watson didn't do this stuff... count me in that I'm having a tough time envisioning a scenario he's hiring all of these different women for just a massage.

If I find someone who does a good job I stick with them. And if I tried this many people and they sucked I probably wouldn't keep reaching out via Instagram, etc.

Assuming there's evidence he did hire them?  And then throw in, if these last few lawsuits are correct that he was reaching out to women who aren't even in the business of doing massages?   That might make sense to me if someone was picking hot women hoping to have something happen.  It doesn't make sense if someone was after a massage.

I still will wait and see what the evidence is of involvement with the women. But I'm at a loss what a reasonable excuse is for approaching these women, if he did, that makes more sense than what they are alleging.

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6 hours ago, Stinkin Ref said:

I guess I'm not real sure what angle you are coming from.....at least 12 have basically said things weren't consensual by filing suit....maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying...

I'm just not passing judgment until we hear both sides of the story, preferably in court.  

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9 hours ago, -OZ- said:

I haven't followed all the accusations. So I'm definitely not suggesting this is the case.  But if that truth is he was bringing women in to massage and provide a happy ending, consensually, that could be recoverable.  

Thats really not what the accusations are at all.  I mean like completely opposite in fact

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I haven't been reading up on the specifics of these women's accusations and in no way am I trying to lesson their victimhood, so I'll ask here.  Is their massage business legit?  Or is it really an escort service?  I've never heard of massage therapist being flown in, but I'll bet that high priced escorts do that.  Could this be extortion?  Or are these really legitimate accusations?   Like I said earlier, the timing of this is probably not a coincidence, but I suppose it could be.

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2 hours ago, Blackbear said:

Up to 14 lawsuits now after a total of 24 women came forward... 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/23/deshaun-watson-lawsuits-up-to-14-with-24-accusers/

Strange none have filed a complaint at police department yet. 

Well the Houston PD definitely received evidence and other materials yesterday.  A wealthy established lawyer like Buzbee would not mislead the public with one of his statements.  I'm shocked we haven't seen him announce that the items have been dropped off on Instagram.  Everyone reported that Buzbee plans to drop off the materials on Monday and nobody has reported that he did it from what I can find.  If he did drop it off and it contains damning evidence, how long would it normally take for Houston PD to respond?

PFT did a segment where they were saying it's normal for an NFL player to get daily massages, but NOT normal at all for them to use different masseuses.  Like many of us suggested here we wondered why you wouldn't just find one good one who knows how your body responds and keep them - especially during COVID.  That makes a lot of sense.

PFT also brought up that it is suspicious that none of these women are using a different lawyer and also agreed with what has been posted here about some of the items Buzbee said being thinly veiled BS.  Florio thought other lawyers would be all over this by now.  Where are all the other lawyers bringing these cases in a very competitive field?  He said it's likely in the best interest of some of the accusers to be using a different lawyer.

Another good point is that Watson's camp being quiet is completely destroying them in the court of public opinion.

I'd also point out that as the list of accusers grows, the chances that they all remain anonymous goes down, mathematically speaking.  Once one or two come forward and have a face I would assume that is really bad for Watson's PR battle here and shuts down any "the women might be fake" claims.

 

 

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28 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

I haven't been reading up on the specifics of these women's accusations and in no way am I trying to lesson their victimhood, so I'll ask here.  Is their massage business legit?  Or is it really an escort service?  I've never heard of massage therapist being flown in, but I'll bet that high priced escorts do that.  Could this be extortion?  Or are these really legitimate accusations?   Like I said earlier, the timing of this is probably not a coincidence, but I suppose it could be.

Most of them are completely legit

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10 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

Another good point is that Watson's camp being quiet is completely destroying them in the court of public opinion.

 

Outside of the sheer number of accusations, the fact that he hasnt said anything in a week or so is telling to me.  If this was happening to me and it was false wouldnt you be in front of every news camera denying it?

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6 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

 

 Like many of us suggested here we wondered why you wouldn't just find one good one who knows how your body responds and keep them - especially during COVID. 

Yes it makes sense and but one of the earliest dated accusations,  June 2 of 2020, a massage therapist said Watson texted her, "a lot of massage therapists uncomfortable and it's really hard for me to find someone who will meet my needs."

There is another statement from a plaintiff ,or maybe it was a text, that when setting up the appointment Watson indicated he wanted his glutes worked on and asked if the was comfortable with that.

Not sure how this will play out in court, could see good or bad for Watson, but there certainly seems to be an acknowledgement by him BEFORE setting up the appointement's what he was wanting.

13 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

Another good point is that Watson's camp being quiet is completely destroying them in the court of public opinion.

People off and on these boards said the exact same thing about Tyreek Hill, many of us wondering why he would not come out with more forceful statements. Whatever Watson is doing now he's under advisement from a very good attorny.

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Just now, pantherclub said:

Outside of the sheer number of accusations, the fact that he hasnt said anything in a week or so is telling to me.  If this was happening to me and it was false wouldnt you be in front of every news camera denying it?

I would think that not responding at all like this has to be complete PR failure, and something you would only do if you had no other options or way to at least spin the story.  

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2 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

Are they as legit as those Asian Massage places?  Sounds like high priced escorts to me.

Dude if you are going to keep commenting on this topic just read one of the many articles on the Houston Chronicle to educate yourself.  A large bulk of the accusations are from separate women that are licensed masseuses that have legitimate business.   Yes there are a couple I believe that he solicited from Instagram but more were licensed in one way or another.

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3 minutes ago, pantherclub said:

Outside of the sheer number of accusations, the fact that he hasnt said anything in a week or so is telling to me.  If this was happening to me and it was false wouldnt you be in front of every news camera denying it?

I just responded to this from earlier post and like I said, go back and scan the Tyreek Hill thread, people were damning him for not speaking.

Watson is being accused of multiple crimes and is now sought out one an extremely high profile attorney with a strong track record. No offense intended but I think it's foolish to think he's not doing what his attorney wants him to do which is stay silent. He already put out the initial statement, at this point he's likely doing what he's instructed to do.

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2 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

I would think that not responding at all like this has to be complete PR failure, and something you would only do if you had no other options or way to at least spin the story.  

I cannot think of any way staying silent is helpful at all at this point.

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19 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I do agree with this. 

The whole thing is insane though. It is equally hard for me to believe that Watson just went completely off the rails on a sexual assault-fest like this. 

In my 50 years I've never heard of such a dramatic character change other than a bipolar episode or CTE-driven brain damage-induced episode - which aren't out of the realm of possibilities either, though I hesitate to speculate on medical issues of anyone. 

It's all just so weird. 

Tiger Woods?

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12 minutes ago, pantherclub said:
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Watson told her "he makes "a lot of massage therapists uncomfortable and it's really hard for me to find someone who will meet my needs."

 

It's probably the rolling over from your stomach and ejaculating amongst other things that does it.  It's crazy that nobody came forward earlier with the gravity of these.  This being a common thing massage therapists deal with is just disgusting, and it's hard to believe these things fall into the "weirdo client we just won't work with again" bucket.  

 

 

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