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21 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

So, by opting solely on civil, 15 of 15 women decided this criminal should not be punished by imprisonment, but only financially?

Can they go civil then criminal?

I'm sorry, but if this guy is a criminal, he should br tried as one. Not just pay a few women off, no?

Put yourself in their shoes for a minute.  Maybe they do want him to be criminally punished, whether that be jail time or otherwise, but are told that it is very unlikely for this to occur.  How do you then exact some sort of punishment on him?  A financial punishment, outing his behavior in a legal setting where everything gets recorded, maybe making enough publicity that it curbs his behavior or is high enough profile that other massage therapists know the risks.  All those are perfectly understandable reasons imo.

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And now you see why women are hesitant to come forward, you have 13 of them saying the same thing and still there is a not insignificant amount of people who assume they are just trying to hustle a bu

I find it humorous that some people think it's just an easy thing for a woman to lie about something like this about a high profile person, let alone finding 15+.  Like they just decide they're lookin

Any word on Bill Cosby?

2 minutes ago, Foosball God said:

Put yourself in their shoes for a minute.  Maybe they do want him to be criminally punished, whether that be jail time or otherwise, but are told that it is very unlikely for this to occur.  How do you then exact some sort of punishment on him?  A financial punishment, outing his behavior in a legal setting where everything gets recorded, maybe making enough publicity that it curbs his behavior or is high enough profile that other massage therapists know the risks.  All those are perfectly understandable reasons imo.

the same way it's unlikely that 15 women are lying, id find it equally as unlikely that one of 15 doesn't have a decent enough case to prive it criminally. 

It just feels off, in its entirety. But maybe this is how it all works, i legitimately dont know. But doesn't feel right

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Got an offer for the 2.05 in a devy league where most of the elite rookie players are are already on a roster.  i pseudo responded, I was expecting this sooner.  I guess it doesn't hurt to try :)

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55 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

So, by opting solely on civil, 15 of 15 women decided this criminal should not be punished by imprisonment, but only financially?

Can they go civil then criminal?

I'm sorry, but if this guy is a criminal, he should br tried as one. Not just pay a few women off, no?

What if the women are choosing a civil case simply because they want Watson called out for his creepy behavior?  Same reason a lot of women have spoken up during the MeToo movement.

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3 minutes ago, Razors Edge said:

 Cosby beg to differ!

Yea, they really got ahold of both those guys, after decades of both of them acting with complete impunity.  
Your example kind of prove the point why you go civil.  

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1 minute ago, massraider said:

Yea, they really got ahold of both those guys, after decades of both of them acting with complete impunity.  
Your example kind of prove the point why you go civil.  

Not to mention that Cosby is in no way analogous to what Watson is being accused of. Not that the accusations against Watson are awesome, but he’s not being accused of drugging and raping anyone.

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49 minutes ago, Synthesizer said:

What if the women are choosing a civil case simply because they want Watson called out for his creepy behavior?  Same reason a lot of women have spoken up during the MeToo movement.

that's fair - im just asking questions because it doesnt make sense to me.

if all they want is for him to be a known creep and pay up some $ - bodes well for fantasy reasons. he probably won't miss much (if any) time, and life goes on...

but you know... still think a criminal should be criminally charged, but whatever.

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1 hour ago, Soulfly3 said:

the same way it's unlikely that 15 women are lying, id find it equally as unlikely that one of 15 doesn't have a decent enough case to prive it criminally. 

It just feels off, in its entirety. But maybe this is how it all works, i legitimately dont know. But doesn't feel right

I was just reading on a Houston Texans forum that 2 woman are leaving the civil suit and are filing criminal charges.  We’ll see if this is true or not soon. 
 

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3 minutes ago, Kevrunner said:

I was just reading on a Houston Texans forum that 2 woman are leaving the civil suit and are filing criminal charges.  We’ll see if this is true or not soon. 
 

That could accelerate things one way or the other. 

If they do this, and the police determine there isn’t enough to pursue criminally, it may all fall apart.

on the other hand, if police determine there is enough evidence to pursue it criminally, Watson is probably toast.

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26 minutes ago, Razors Edge said:

Not even close, no one said they didnt get what they deserved. They did, thanks for validating that the rich do get punished harshly.

The point was, rich people dont get punished and you just made my point for me. Thanks for your help.

When you rather get money then lock someone up. 

None of this makes sense to me, but I get the gist, I think.  

Nailing both Cosby and Weinstein didn't occur for decades, and took the kind of public pressure that came from women going public, before any kind of prosecutor acted.  Several of those womenwent to police, and got nowhere, so I don't know what fantasy world someone lives in where it's so easy for victims to see criminal justice.  Some people watch too much Law&Order SVU, I guess.

And you know, before these guys were convicted, there were a bunch of people on the internet saying these women were a bunch of failed actresses out for money.  

 

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2 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Not to mention that Cosby is in no way analogous to what Watson is being accused of. Not that the accusations against Watson are awesome, but he’s not being accused of drugging and raping anyone.

The crappy part about Cosby was that it was just known, a Hollywood secret many people had heard.  One comedian goes viral mention it in his act, and THAT'S what made people demand justice.  

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53 minutes ago, massraider said:

The crappy part about Cosby was that it was just known, a Hollywood secret many people had heard.  One comedian goes viral mention it in his act, and THAT'S what made people demand justice.  

Yes - that was more akin to Louis CK. One of those open secrets that he did that kinda crap & everyone sorta shrugged it off. It never should have gone as far as it did. 

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This is neither here nor there regarding the Deshaun case, but this situation of a high priced athlete getting a massage from a female in private opens both parties up to a he said/she said situation. I am surprised that neither party takes any measures to protect themselves like video recording the session. If Deshaun records the session and a massage therapist makes a claim against him, he has the recording of the session to prove nothing happened. The MT should really have no problem if Deshaun says "I record all my sessions to protect myself from fictitious claims"  If the Massage therapist records, then she has evidence to back up her claim if anything unwanted happens. If nothing happens she can delete the recording. Many of the massages occurred in the therapists home, so it would be very easy to set up a nanny cam to do the recording.

Now if Deshaun is doing the things that the MT's allege, than I can understand why he wouldn't want a tape of the session.

 

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16 minutes ago, dhockster said:

This is neither here nor there regarding the Deshaun case, but this situation of a high priced athlete getting a massage from a female in private opens both parties up to a he said/she said situation. I am surprised that neither party takes any measures to protect themselves like video recording the session. If Deshaun records the session and a massage therapist makes a claim against him, he has the recording of the session to prove nothing happened. The MT should really have no problem if Deshaun says "I record all my sessions to protect myself from fictitious claims"  If the Massage therapist records, then she has evidence to back up her claim if anything unwanted happens. If nothing happens she can delete the recording. Many of the massages occurred in the therapists home, so it would be very easy to set up a nanny cam to do the recording.

Now if Deshaun is doing the things that the MT's allege, than I can understand why he wouldn't want a tape of the session.

 

Pretty sure we know why Deshaun doesn’t want these sessions recorded

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If you think having a masseuse come to  your house is shady, you need to get out more.  

Even if every nasty thing turns out to be true regarding Watson, athletes having a massage at their home is totally common, as it is for regular people who want a massage.  

Also, if you think just the act of getting a massage from a woman is shady, you really need to get out more.  

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8 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

Kind of reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Phoebe was a massage therapist and the creepy client was inappropriate. 

Friends.

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2 minutes ago, massraider said:

If you think having a masseuse come to  your house is shady, you need to get out more.  

Even if every nasty thing turns out to be true regarding Watson, athletes having a massage at their home is totally common, as it is for regular people who want a massage.  

Also, if you think just the act of getting a massage from a woman is shady, you really need to get out more.  

There is a big difference between joe average FBG getting a massage and a multi-million dollar athlete who's future earning potential outside of football is tied significantly to his reputation as a fine upstanding citizen.

My only point is there is an easy way for the multi-million dollar athlete to protect themselves, especially when they are getting a new MT every two weeks. Unless of course, the multi-million dollar athlete is not the one who needs protecting.

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Just now, dhockster said:

There is a big difference between joe average FBG getting a massage and a multi-million dollar athlete who's future earning potential outside of football is tied significantly to his reputation as a fine upstanding citizen.

My only point is there is an easy way for the multi-million dollar athlete to protect themselves, especially when they are getting a new MT every two weeks. Unless of course, the multi-million dollar athlete is not the one who needs protecting.

True true, I think would have security cams in there to protect me.

My only point was that, in defense of Watson, a pro athlete getting a massage delivery probably happens every day.  

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1 minute ago, massraider said:

True true, I think would have security cams in there to protect me.

My only point was that, in defense of Watson, a pro athlete getting a massage delivery probably happens every day.  

Agreed. That's why Watson going to all these different MT's houses without security's cams leaves him vulnerable to false claims.

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Whether he settles or not, or loses a civil case or not, if there is no actual "proof" of wrong doing, what can the league even do to him?  6 game suspension at most?

Barring a criminal trial of course.

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3 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

Whether he settles or not, or loses a civil case or not, if there is no actual "proof" of wrong doing, what can the league even do to him?  6 game suspension at most?

Barring a criminal trial of course.

Ask Zeke about a no proof suspension.

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1 minute ago, ghostguy123 said:

How long was Zeke suspended?

I barely remember his situation

I think 4 games.

 

You don't remember him groping a woman who clearly didn't want that.  WOW

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2 minutes ago, Shawnky said:

I think 4 games.

 

You don't remember him groping a woman who clearly didn't want that.  WOW

I thought it was 6 games after he fought it in court and his suspension started in week 10 or 11.

No proof anyone saw, no criminal case, no civil trail and it even came out his girlfriend was trying to blackmail him with sex tapes and they still slapped 6 games on him.

And that groping incident was at a St. Paddy's parade in Dallas and the lady said he had no issue with it.

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1 minute ago, menobrown said:

I thought it was 6 games after he fought it in court and his suspension started in week 10 or 11.

No proof anyone saw, no criminal case, no civil trail and it even came out his girlfriend was trying to blackmail him with sex tapes and they still slapped 6 games on him.

And that groping incident was at a St. Paddy's parade in Dallas and the lady said he had no issue with it.

I saw the video.  It's out there.

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2 minutes ago, menobrown said:

That he liked to beat on his girlfriend.

So the groping wasnt part of a suspension? I am confused.

NFL is so dumb.  Been saying this for years now to let the legal system take care of whether or not players are available to play

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1 minute ago, ghostguy123 said:

So the groping wasnt part of a suspension? I am confused.

 

According to a copy of the suspension letter that was obtained by a league source, the NFL believes that the credible evidence establishes that Elliott used physical force against the alleged victim several times during the week of July 16, 2016. The league stated that a review of photographs and other evidence conducted by medical experts appeared consistent with the alleged victim's description of how events occurred.

Elliott was also told that the parade incident where Elliott pulled down a woman's shirt in March 2017 will not be considered separately for additional discipline, but that he should be advised that his behavior was inappropriate, disturbing and reflected a lack of respect for women.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cowboys-ezekiel-elliott-suspended-six-games-reportedly-will-appeal/

 

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4 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

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NFL is so dumb.  Been saying this for years now to let the legal system take care of whether or not players are available to play

I totally agree, should be a legal and team decision for the most part.  I think Goodell has done an outstanding job as commissioner but this has been his biggest fail IMO. When he came into the league he was determined to clean up player behavior but what he really ended up doing was shining a spotlight on it when players fall out of line.  Just makes talking fodder for if/when player will get suspended, appeal, etc,etc. Tends to dominate off-season news cycle far to often, can't imagine that was his goal.

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Just now, ghostguy123 said:

Ok so elliott was suspended because there was proof.

There was proof his girl had some bruising, there was no proof he did it. Also I think he said she liked it rough sexually and if had bruised her it was during that time. I think on that last part, might need a fact checker.

Then you got Brady getting 4 games and that seemed a little light on proof as well.

Roger/NFL is kind of like civil court. They don't need to know beyond a shadow of a doubt, they apparently just need to think it's a greater then 50/50 chance to be true.

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2 hours ago, dhockster said:

This is neither here nor there regarding the Deshaun case, but this situation of a high priced athlete getting a massage from a female in private opens both parties up to a he said/she said situation. I am surprised that neither party takes any measures to protect themselves like video recording the session. If Deshaun records the session and a massage therapist makes a claim against him, he has the recording of the session to prove nothing happened. The MT should really have no problem if Deshaun says "I record all my sessions to protect myself from fictitious claims"  If the Massage therapist records, then she has evidence to back up her claim if anything unwanted happens. If nothing happens she can delete the recording. Many of the massages occurred in the therapists home, so it would be very easy to set up a nanny cam to do the recording.

Now if Deshaun is doing the things that the MT's allege, than I can understand why he wouldn't want a tape of the session.

 

So as a massage therapist, you would secretly record your clients undressing and getting on the table?  Yeah good luck with that.

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6 minutes ago, Synthesizer said:

So as a massage therapist, you would secretly record your clients undressing and getting on the table?  Yeah good luck with that.

I am sure you could start recording when the massage starts. And you could delete the recording afterwards if it occurred without incident which 99.9% would. If you think that is too invasive, even an audio recording of the session, while less proof than video, could back up a therapists story if the client did something inappropriate.

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56 minutes ago, menobrown said:

When he came into the league he was determined to clean up player behavior but what he really ended up doing was shining a spotlight on it when players fall out of line. 

This is exactly right.  How often do we hear about NBA and MLB players doing stuff compared to the NFL?  Barely at all.   Every time someone in the NFL gets a parking ticket there is a rotoworld blurb, a mention on sports center, and 100 posts here to figure out if its suspension worthy.   He drew attention to it, and the media took it to an unexpectedly high level of even more attention.  

Did he even clean up the behavior?  

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