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QB Deshaun Watson, CLE (4 Viewers)
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PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
The lawyers stunt is definitely suspect. However it is very hard to get this many people who don’t know each other to collude around something like this.
im not saying he’s guilty and i am waiting to see the evidence but it doesn’t look good that’s for sure.
simey
Footballguy
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
How many dates have I been on?I'm kidding, it's not okay to ask a woman who is massaging you - while you are naked with only a hand towel over you to touch your ****. Don't mistake someone doing their job for being interested in anything more. Deshaun, regardless of how this whole thing pans out will lose some serious points in public opinion. Too bad too.
This from one of the 18 massage therapists that say Watson was not inappropriate makes a lot of sense.
“If a therapist feels uncomfortable at any time during the session, he or she has the ability to end the session and immediately file a complaint with the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulations and vice versa. You don’t get a lawyer and file a lawsuit or go to the news media. You file a complaint immediately.”
So does this mean there have been no complaints filed through Texas Department of Licensing and Regulations from any on the 21 women filing lawsuits?
This is very odd to have no police involvement or complaints to that licensing department if they are trained to do that immediately when a customer does something inappropriate.
“If a therapist feels uncomfortable at any time during the session, he or she has the ability to end the session and immediately file a complaint with the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulations and vice versa. You don’t get a lawyer and file a lawsuit or go to the news media. You file a complaint immediately.”
So does this mean there have been no complaints filed through Texas Department of Licensing and Regulations from any on the 21 women filing lawsuits?
This is very odd to have no police involvement or complaints to that licensing department if they are trained to do that immediately when a customer does something inappropriate.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
I think we have to assume that none of these ladies knew about each other until recently.....so prior to that at some point they have to individually weigh out the cost/benefit business factor of filing a report....I don't know what that would be since I'm not in the business....I would venture to guess they don't file complaints sometimes maybe when they could have......
now the cost/benefit has changed.........
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Foosball God
Foos
Looking at their site and seeing the things about safeguarding consumers it looks more like something people that are going to see a massage therapist could do and potentially impact their license. I'm not sure what a massage therapist would get out of filing a complaint to the licensing board? Maybe they do some stuff that isn't readily shown on their website.
Yeah, I don’t know either. But the reason I mentioned it is that this one masseuse mentioned they are trained to file complaints there.Looking at their site and seeing the things about safeguarding consumers it looks more like something people that are going to see a massage therapist could do and potentially impact their license. I'm not sure what a massage therapist would get out of filing a complaint to the licensing board? Maybe they do some stuff that isn't readily shown on their website.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Look, I don't know if Watson is guilty or not. I'm not here to judge. From a football perspective the NFL wants Watson playing football. I look at some of the more recent players off-the-field stuff, such as Tyreek Hill or Kareem Hunt and look where they are today and come to the conclusion that if Watson doesn't go to prison over this, I have to think of him in the same light as Hill and Hunt and think he will be on the field playing eventually. Those of you who panicked and sold him cheap are probably going to be sorry you did. If he gets suspended 8 games, or even a year, you will be sorry you did. He's young and will resurface somewhere and help teams in fantasy football, assuming he doesn't go for a long stretch in prison, which i don't think will happen.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Of course, so why are people selling him cheap? If you look at history on off-the-field issues, such as Hill and Hunt, you know they will be playing somewhere eventually, probably sooner than you think. Before someone brings up Ray Rice, let's not forget he was well past his prime. Watson is young and is a QB, a star one at that!!
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I would just add that is not the only issue Watson is facing. He has also demanded a trade and seems potentially willing to sit out. Houston has dug in their heels and said he wasn't being traded. Add in that Watson has a no trade clause and that Houston is absolutely terrible and has no picks, it's hard not to be down on Watson. There are just so many ways things can go wrong for him right now.
I don't know who is selling him cheap but if they are I would imagine it's because he's a big time candidate to miss games whether that be a result of suspension or holdout.
I mean I did not think he'd be playing week one without a trade before this happened.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
You know what? I'm very happy sitting on Watson until this straightened itself out from a football perspective. Anyone who sells him cheap are stupid, short of going to prison. Even if he's suspended a year I would say that. He's 25 isn't he? A star QB, isn't he? I'm flabbergasted at the thought of people selling low on Watson, but I should be out there buying.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
let's just say it comes out that he did this stuff.....like I said before, it's not a one off like Hunt, etc...not condoning what Hunt did, but it was a one time thing.....with Watson, its a pattern/problem, etc...again just saying if he did do these things.....even if he doesn't go to prison for it....do you really think a team is going to trade for this guy and have him be the face of their franchise....?.....
if he "settles" I still don't think he gets traded cause most associate settling as being guilty....so its the same as above
I truly feel his only option (again assuming he did these things) is to fess up.....face the music....seek treatment and then tuck tail and thank the Texans for standing by him and try to play football for HOU if he is allowed......can just imagine the backlash and things this guy is going to hear either way....gonna be tough
if it turns out to be one of the biggest conspiracy theories of all time.....then he will be fine...maybe
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Just depends what we think of as cheap. It is a situation where evaluations could be all over the place. I wouldn't trade away for peanuts but I might be ok with covering my risk and getting out if someone in my league is optimistic about Watson. I don't want to sell for half off but 20% might be something I willing to do just to play it safe.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I've already said what i said about it. Anything short of prison he will resurface as a young francthise QB for someone. Whether that is 8 games or a year, it doesn't matter. He's 25 and is a star QB and he sure as hell has a better chance at playing than either Hill or Hunt given the position he plays and his age. Anyone, and I mean anyone who sells him cheap are stupid when it comes to fantasy football.
ETA: Look, ethics has nothing to do with this or my thoughts. I'm just looking at what the NFL has done in the past with off-the-field guys and this is a franchise QB guys.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
There was also a video of Ray Rice violently throwing a punch, connecting and dragging the out cold woman out of the elevator like a caveman.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Didn't I say Rice was well past his prime? If you look at Hill and Hunt would would see what I mean and Watson is a step above those players because he is a star QB. Anything short of prison, Watson will surly play again, just as Hill and Hunt did. Especially since he is a star QB. I'll say again, any of you fools that sold him cheap are on drugs, even if he is suspended 8 games or a year Of course I back away from that if he is sentenced in a criminal trial.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Vick went to prison and played in the NFL for a few years after that and is now an analyst on FOX every Sunday.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
put your NFL GM hat on, not your fantasy GM hat.....if he doesn't go to prison, but is found to have done these things in civil court, or settles with 20+ women.....would you trade for him as GM.....?....and have him become the face of your franchise and the be the move that you are tied to for the rest of your career...
I only ask because what happens in real football has an effect on what we do in this lovely hobby of ours...and the "anything short of prison" options above might even find it hard for him to see another snap in HOU.....
it is also IMO that really comparing this to Hill (who didn't do anything) and Hunt are not good examples to base decisions off of....this is a totally different beast with much more volume it appears at this point which changes the narrative pretty dramatically IMO....
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It's silly that people still want to debate a player like Watson would not play again.
You can go pull up the old Vick thread, the AB thread, the Tyreek Hill thread and see people yammering away all day they were done. People just don't learn.
There have been two players since I've been playing fantasy football who did something that led to them being truly done. Ray Rice who was a 27 year old RB coming off a 3.1 ypc season and Hernandez who died in prison. That's it.
Lesson. Still be good to elite, even if you go to prison so long as you still are considered good to elite if/when you get out, you play again. It's really that simple.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
@TomPelissero
Statement from Deshaun Watson’s attorney, Rusty Hardin, about the filing of a police report today concerning Watson: “We welcome this long overdue development. Now we will learn the identity of at least one accuser. We will fully cooperate with the Houston Police Department.”
I assume this is one of the two who were to file criminal proceedings outside of Buzbee (not doing the civil thing)
Statement from Deshaun Watson’s attorney, Rusty Hardin, about the filing of a police report today concerning Watson: “We welcome this long overdue development. Now we will learn the identity of at least one accuser. We will fully cooperate with the Houston Police Department.”
I assume this is one of the two who were to file criminal proceedings outside of Buzbee (not doing the civil thing)
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JamboTaylor
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/houstonpolice/status/1378104049950724100?s=20
kittenmittens
Footballguy
The only other I can recall is Rae Carruth.
Ray Lewis is another example of playing again.
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Kevrunner
Footballguy
1st criminal charge, not related at all to the women Mr. Buzbee is representing. But Mr. Buzbee did confirm he filed a new lawsuit today also, which now makes it a total of 22 lawsuits. Not sure why Watson’s lawyer, Mr Hardin, is saying he is glad that a criminal charge has been filed because he will now at least know the identity of one the anonymous women. But this is a “new” woman, unrelated to Mr. Buzbee and the 22 anonymous women who have file lawsuits.
Because you need evidence. So now he can see what the evidence is. If his camp wins then it puts into question the other claims. And they would then need to provide evidence.
So, nobody can look at this case and say one way or the other. But it would sure be good if there is tangible evidence in form of video, conversations on phones, complaints to police and/or Texas department licensing, etc...
Of course if he is guilty then we would want justice. But this Buzbee seems like a ##### when he says it isn’t about money... we want him to stop. Then turns no evidence over and makes excuses why he can’t. He’s evidently bluffing or slow playing a winning hand. But either way, he doesn’t seem trust worthy.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Watson will play again. Barring an actual rape charge and conviction, he isnt going to jail.
He will do therapy/rehab and all that, and at the latest will be playing 2022, and could easily still be playing week 1 this year, though some sort of suspension seems likely.
Just my thoughts.
He will do therapy/rehab and all that, and at the latest will be playing 2022, and could easily still be playing week 1 this year, though some sort of suspension seems likely.
Just my thoughts.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
I think these all follow a similar pattern, but of course it depends on what actually happened and if we find out what happened.
Mike Vick was convicted spent years in prison and came out and played. Watson is a far superior player to Vick. Some team will take the PR hit for a top QB.
matuski
Footballguy
It seems odd that it is threatened and not followed through on.
eta - I retain the right to be behind on this... I don't care enough to keep up.
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Soulfly3
Footballguy
tbf, we always knew 1-2 women were apparently going to file criminal charges... that story is 1-2 weeks old now.
the discussion was none of buzbee's "cases" are going criminal.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
So now we finally get to the nexus of criminal versus civil proceedings versus Goodell intervention. "He said She said" is less relevant to the civil court and the court of public opinion than it is to the criminal court. I anticipate Rusty may be launching counter-suits soon....or the defense will fold...not sure which way this will play out yet. High stakes poker indeed.
