ghostguy123
Footballguy
This.
It's a shame it takes a bunch of people to come forward. Had the first one come forward and "won" then maybe all the others wouldn't have had to go through it.
I certainly understand why people dont come forward though.
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It's a shame it takes a bunch of people to come forward. Had the first one come forward and "won" then maybe all the others wouldn't have had to go through it.
I certainly understand why people dont come forward though.
JohnnyU
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Apple Juice
Footballguy
So with everything is out there, you're highly skeptical and are leaning towards these women being gold diggers. That's your position?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I don't have a position. I'll just wait and see what comes out in the wash. To be honest, I would rather not know and just read a final blurb of what happened. All of this stuff is so depressing.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
You don’t remember when his marriage fell apart & it came out that he’d had like 1,379 affairs?
Before that he had a squeaky clean reputation.
Just making the point that maybe we don’t know what we thing we know about celebrity/athletes.
ETA: oh, sorry - I brought up Tiger earlier, and because of the new truncated quote post feature i thought you were questioning that response, when really you were making the same point.
so yes, we are in agreement 100%
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Never meet your heroes.
unless your hero is Billy F. Gibbons, because that man is as cool as the day is long.
I don't think Buzzbee is a criminal attorney.
Civil trials are different but in a criminal case I would think the approach he took tainted some of the following accusers testimony because he publicly listed details of the original complaint before the other accusations.
What I'm trying to say is if he never listed the details of the first accusation and following accusations were similar it would be very damning for Watson. Now his attorney's can argue that the following accusations were made after the original accusation was made public and it's no coincidence they all now line up as mainly similar.
dhockster
Footballguy
Fair point. Of course Watson's only defense in this case is that the plaintiffs are not credible, so using anything they can to support that they might not be credible only makes sense. If the majority of these women come off as credible under cross examination, whether in a deposition or a courtroom, Watson's team might seriously have to consider settling.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Has anything come out from the Houston PD? I would think they would make a statement that they are investigating if they received a bunch of damning evidence? Maybe nobody in journalism has asked them...
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
IMO the next steps are the most critical for both parties.
1. Reportedly the attorney for the women has asked for a grand jury to be convened. If a judge finds the evidence to be credible/compelling enough for that, it signals some trouble but not necessarily doomsday (cue famous quote about indicting a ham sandwich)
2. Attorney has asked for police to open an investigation. If the police view attorney’s evidence / testimony & deem it credible, that’s probably game over for Watson. If they do not, this is still very much up in the air as to possible outcomes.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m sure everyone has asked them - but I’m a high profile case they aren’t going to announce anything unless they’ve done their due diligence & determined that a crime has been committed & moreover, there’s enough evidence / credible testimony to pursue an investigation.
Short of that, I doubt they say anything other than “no comment”. Even after it’s been opened you’re likely to hear, “we don’t comment on open investigations”
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
or that they’re credible, but that there was consent.
It’s skeezy, but a perfectly acceptable defense to say he hired / flew in amateur masseuses for a rub & tug.
He might get a ticket for solicitation of prostitution, be put on probation & be required to attend some sort of “don’t engage in prostitution” classes, but that would likely be the end of it if he can prove the claim.
I’m not saying this happened - I’m saying it’s an alternate defense, especially if one of them has his DNA (which I don’t discount at all)
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
We don’t know if there’s evidence or not.
I play devil’s advocate in here a lot & have stated that your position is a possibility. However my default is not “accuse the accusers with certainty”.
it’s possible. It’s less likely than the truth being somewhere in the middle (solicitation, agreement, shakedown) or outright multiple assaults.
This will be somewhere on that spectrum, but as others have suggested, the idea that 13+ people can keep a conspiracy going without cracking seems pretty far fetched.
IheartGuinness
Footballguy
IheartGuinness
Footballguy
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
no, it didn’t. No one hid a pandemic. Some conspiracy theorists convinced a lot of folks that it wasn’t real, or wasn’t as bad as it was. But the vast majority of the nation saw the pandemic for what it was. Especially when the body count started getting more significant.
no, it was not. At all. It was widely known that huge brokerage firms manipulate the market all the time, shorting stocks, rallying stocks, tanking stocks - these were all well known practices. What happened with GME was a reddit forum got millions of individuals to purchase small amounts of the stock to rally the price, beating the everloving snot out of the 1-2 massive brokerage firms that shorted 120% of it.
They used the exact same technique as the brokerage firms use. Not at all a conspiracy - it all happened out in the open, posted to reddit forums & seeped to other social media.
there’s nothing remotely analogous to the Watson situation.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Briefly, yes - until video spread like wildfire. I was seeing videos of [country] putting tanks in front of tunnels, blocking roads, and people dying in the streets like a zombie movie in December, 2+ months before it came here.
but point taken, and agreed - has f-all to do With Watson. Massive reach.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
You somehow managed to divine the 100% opposite point than the one I was making. Weird.
ghostguy123
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Foosball God
Foos
And now you see why women are hesitant to come forward, you have 13 of them saying the same thing and still there is a not insignificant amount of people who assume they are just trying to hustle a buck from a poor hardworking millionaire. To be clear everything should be vetted before Watson's career is impacted, but damn can you imagine how hard it is for the 1st woman to come forward is. People calling you a whore, should have known better, etc.
dhockster
Footballguy
I am assuming right now that all of the 14 woman massaged Desean one time except for the woman who agreed to massage him a second time but didn't know it was Desean she was massaging the second time. That assumption may not be correct but it is what I am believing right now. If that is true, than if all of them were consensual, wouldn't he have asked to use them again and wouldn't at least some them agreed because they were fine with it the first time? Again, not proof of anything but what seems reasonable based on what we think we know right now. Isn't speculation fun?
I'd normally be dubious about that as well but I think even if 90% of what he is accused is true it makes total sense to me that no one went to the police and not just because he's famous.
So you got one person making what reads to me as a very shaky claim of forced oral sex which apparently caused her so much grief she passed out and defecated on herself. That's a whole other accusation and for now let's put that one away.
But what almost every single one of the accusations was consistent with saying he got naked, aroused, and he liked to make his penis touch them and this often led to him ejaculating.(which if true sounds like Watson has a sexual condition known as Frotteurism)
Now put yourself in the massage therapist situation and assume this is exactly how it went down. Even if Watson was just some regular joe would you go to the police over that? I wouldn't. Just imagine going into the police station and saying you went to give someone a massage in a private room, they got naked and their penis touched your hand. As an isolated incident you'd probably be laughed out of the police station. You got 10-20 people claiming the same thing you got something, a deviant pattern, but an isolated incident would be chalked up as a misunderstanding or an accident.
So I don't question at all why if most of these accusations are true none of them went to the police. I can and do question some other things but not that.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Speculation is all we have, so the sewing circle continues....
To your question, assuming this is indeed a kink & Watson has the sexual proclivity for happy endings, then using a different girl each time could simply be the old “variety is the spice of life” factor.
So no - I don’t necessarily divine any specific pattern from his choice of having 14 women once each Vs 1 woman 14x though i agree it raises the question.
I just don’t think the answer is that simple. I love cheeseburgers enough to eat a cheeseburger 14 days in a row. I wouldn’t go to the same restaurant 14x in a row or order the exact same toppings.
I’m kinda fat is what I’m tying to say here.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Here’s an interesting question that I haven’t seen asked:
Why haven't the Texans released Watson with all this hullabaloo?
I legit don’t know the answer here - is it a contract thing? I’ve seen players get released over less public fiascos before.
Why haven't the Texans released Watson with all this hullabaloo?
I legit don’t know the answer here - is it a contract thing? I’ve seen players get released over less public fiascos before.
dhockster
Footballguy
They either think he will still play for them and be a top 5 QB or they can still get a big return for him if they trade him. If they release him, they get nothing.Here’s an interesting question that I haven’t seen asked:
Why haven't the Texans released Watson with all this hullabaloo?
I legit don’t know the answer here - is it a contract thing? I’ve seen players get released over less public fiascos before.
Guaranteed money, for one. Second he’s a franchise top five QB. Need see what ramifications are after nfl investigation.Here’s an interesting question that I haven’t seen asked:
Why haven't the Texans released Watson with all this hullabaloo?
I legit don’t know the answer here - is it a contract thing? I’ve seen players get released over less public fiascos before.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Potential coordination between Texans, Tony Buzbee doesn’t mean there was a conspiracy
Perhaps the best circumstantial evidence, in my opinion, comes from Buzbee’s over-the-top effort to deny even knowing the first name of Texans owner Cal McNair. Common sense, as it relates to the way that cases like this typically are handled, suggests that there possibly was some degree of advance communication between Buzbee and the Texans before the first of 14 lawsuits (and counting) were filed.
Buzbee is a prominent lawyer in Houston. He ran for mayor. He posted a billboard in 2014 urging his neighbor “Mr. McNair” to draft Johnny Manziel. Buzbee surely knows that Cal McNair owns the Texans, and Buzbee surely knows people who work there.
Perhaps the best circumstantial evidence, in my opinion, comes from Buzbee’s over-the-top effort to deny even knowing the first name of Texans owner Cal McNair. Common sense, as it relates to the way that cases like this typically are handled, suggests that there possibly was some degree of advance communication between Buzbee and the Texans before the first of 14 lawsuits (and counting) were filed.
Buzbee is a prominent lawyer in Houston. He ran for mayor. He posted a billboard in 2014 urging his neighbor “Mr. McNair” to draft Johnny Manziel. Buzbee surely knows that Cal McNair owns the Texans, and Buzbee surely knows people who work there.
dhockster
Footballguy
Yes, and the cap hit would be ridiculous with an outright release. A trade only increases the Texans cap $6 million
I think it would be one the dumbest things ever based on were we are right now no criminal complaints so much as logged with Houston PD and NFL just beginning an investigation.
There is zero reason for Houston to rush to a decisions and should this ratchet up or linger the NFL is going to just put him on the exempt list anyway.
We bring up Tyreek Hill a few times in this thread and I will again because I recall people here and in the national media crucifying the Chiefs for not cutting him. Got to let this play out.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I kinda feel like literally ANY coordination between Buzbee & the Texans = a conspiracy.
I also think that's one hell of a gaslighting headline telling us to ignore the blatantly obvious. If there was coordination that led to the timing of this tanking Watson's value just as he was demanding a trade, that is absolutely a conspiracy.
It doesn't mean Watson is innocent - those are mutually exclusive topics. But if Buzbee was sitting on this and given the go-ahead, it begs the question of what would have happened had Watson not demanded a trade, and would Buzbee have ever gone public? That in an of itself is deeply, scandalous if true.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
i agree with this, but I also recall Kareem Hunt's incredible run in KC. And just like that, he's a Brown.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Wikipedia / Tony Buzbee
...Buzbee earned a B.S. in Psychology from Texas A&M University and a J.D. from the University of Houston Law Center.[3]...
...In 2016, Buzbee hosted a fundraiser at his River Oaks mansion for then presidential candidate Donald Trump. Later on, following the release of the Access Hollywood tape, Buzbee disavowed Trump and stated his intention to write-in veteran Dan Moran for president.[14] Subsequently, Buzbee gave $500,000 to Trump's inauguration committee.[15]...
...In March 2016, Buzbee was arrested in Harris County on suspicion for driving while intoxicated.[22] In December of the same year, the Harris County District Attorney, Devon Anderson, personally dismissed the case.[23] Controversy ensued when it was revealed that Buzbee completed the year-long probation program in only eight months and had contributed to Anderson's election campaign in 2014....
...Buzbee earned a B.S. in Psychology from Texas A&M University and a J.D. from the University of Houston Law Center.[3]...
...In 2016, Buzbee hosted a fundraiser at his River Oaks mansion for then presidential candidate Donald Trump. Later on, following the release of the Access Hollywood tape, Buzbee disavowed Trump and stated his intention to write-in veteran Dan Moran for president.[14] Subsequently, Buzbee gave $500,000 to Trump's inauguration committee.[15]...
...In March 2016, Buzbee was arrested in Harris County on suspicion for driving while intoxicated.[22] In December of the same year, the Harris County District Attorney, Devon Anderson, personally dismissed the case.[23] Controversy ensued when it was revealed that Buzbee completed the year-long probation program in only eight months and had contributed to Anderson's election campaign in 2014....
Well the Chiefs claimed they cut Hunt because he lied to them and Watson sure did not lie to the Texans because he won't even return their calls.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If you consider each franchise as competing in a business, which they are... then if McNair and Buzbee had conspired this would evolve into ant-trust. This would be a gigantic problem for McNair and Buzbee.
Capella
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Good lord man. That was a very weak sling of poop. You turn a statement I made saying I hate reading about this kind of stuff and use fantasy football as an escape from all the negative news from MSM, into I'm not the real victim here. You're a piece of work.
zoonation
Footballguy
GregR
Footballguy
I just want to say that not enough discussion is happening about these messages on the Dalai Lama's taint. Are they tattoos? Or does he ink a new one there every day? And are the messages themselves deep, or was that describing placement?
foxco
Footballguy
Texans should call him pretending to be a promiscuous yet discreet masseuse, he might take that call.
