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QB Deshaun Watson, CLE (2 Viewers)
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Man, don't own DeSean and I'm not a Houston fan but this story makes me sad. 
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Lawyer claims to not know the McNairs.
Up to 22 woman they claim. Lawyer asking for more to come forward.
No criminal charges filed yet, but say its going to be their next step. If the goal from the beginning is to stop this from happening again (as they say), wouldn't criminal charges be step one? They also claimed that they would have made this go away quietly if Watson had paid up? That doesn't sound like your motivation is stopping it from happening again? Maybe just playing the PR game but that smells fishy. Why not let the police conduct an investigation and use the results to help prove your civil case? Maybe this is normal, I don't know.
Lawyer did not provide any further evidence at the press conference (yet) as they claimed they would, and is taking questions.
Up to 22 woman they claim. Lawyer asking for more to come forward.
No criminal charges filed yet, but say its going to be their next step. If the goal from the beginning is to stop this from happening again (as they say), wouldn't criminal charges be step one? They also claimed that they would have made this go away quietly if Watson had paid up? That doesn't sound like your motivation is stopping it from happening again? Maybe just playing the PR game but that smells fishy. Why not let the police conduct an investigation and use the results to help prove your civil case? Maybe this is normal, I don't know.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
The report that teams are still interested in trading for Watson reeks of a leak by a desperate Houston team....what team would trade one 1st rd pick ;let alone multiple for a guy in the middle of this storm. He could easily be suspended or worse....I dont buy it....I think Houston is kicking itself for waiting on this and is desperate to get a market going again....
kittenmittens
Footballguy
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
22 women now? how can this guy not be toxic. Texans stuck with him.
Meatwad Reloaded
Footballguy
This whole thing is hilarious. This is a total hit job by McNair against Watson.
First of all, I am not condoning this behavior at all, but lets be real...there are many athletes and celebrities who act like this. Watson has seven people alleging this stuff and all of it is 2020. I work in an area where people are accused of stuff all the time and when it comes down to sorting it out, having seven different witnesses alleging the same thing is very bad. As a matter of fact, if somebody was going to make something like this up I think it would be really tough to get even two or three people to go along and coordinate stories. This is seven and it seems like it grows every day!
This is Texas style justice. He should have never abused those women and he should have never demanded a trade this early into his megadeal.
First of all, I am not condoning this behavior at all, but lets be real...there are many athletes and celebrities who act like this. Watson has seven people alleging this stuff and all of it is 2020. I work in an area where people are accused of stuff all the time and when it comes down to sorting it out, having seven different witnesses alleging the same thing is very bad. As a matter of fact, if somebody was going to make something like this up I think it would be really tough to get even two or three people to go along and coordinate stories. This is seven and it seems like it grows every day!
This is Texas style justice. He should have never abused those women and he should have never demanded a trade this early into his megadeal.
zoonation
Footballguy
or, and hear me out, he hit up many massage therapists for happy endings against their will after exposing himself to them. this is also known as sexual assault.
Meatwad Reloaded
Footballguy
I am with you on that. I think there are lots of guys out there who behave like this and it gets swept under the rug because of team security, etc. I believe his demands of the Texans organization led to them organizing this. They had to have known about it.
In any event, this is now a few steps worse than Ray Rice. He is pretty much done with playing football.
In any event, this is now a few steps worse than Ray Rice. He is pretty much done with playing football.
massraider
Footballguy
Right, like a bunch of NFL teams decided today to leak to media that, why yes, we're TOTALLY still interested.
zoonation
Footballguy
the alleged ties between the lawyer and the team have already been debunked. according to the lawyer for the women, he did it again after his agent advised him that there were allegations being made. he's sick.
I don't think the Texans are coordinating all this. That is a conspiracy theory. But, i have no doubt we are going to find out. sure looks like he is a serial sexual assaulter though.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Think I’m having trouble understanding the logic of McNair being behind this. That would diminish his trade value to other teams.
That said, at this point we have seven women represented by one lawyer. LE is not involved. That may change.
That said, at this point we have seven women represented by one lawyer. LE is not involved. That may change.
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foxco
Footballguy
Looks like there's a very real chance this is the case at this point at least.
Apple Juice
Footballguy
22? Good grief. I thought Tyreek would never play again and was proven wrong. It's truly incredible how quickly society moves on from one story to the next, and the next story is usually more heinous than the previous one so we all just move on.
But man. How can a team have this guy as the face of their franchise now? Times have changed since Roethlisberger.
But man. How can a team have this guy as the face of their franchise now? Times have changed since Roethlisberger.
matuski
Footballguy
He isn't accused of assault is he? Misconduct - not a good thing but WORLDS difference?
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zoonation
Footballguy
matuski
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
There are now like accusations from 12 different women with no connections to each other. And it looks like a lot of them are legit operations who've been in business for a long time.
Everyone deserves their day when accused, but the odds are tipping pretty hard against him at this point IMO.
Capella
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
The main reason he wants out of Houston?
What the F is going on. I literally just heard about this 45 seconds ago.
What the F is going on. I literally just heard about this 45 seconds ago.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Their GM has mountains of justification to trade him now with the obvious that he wants out, and now with this stuff.
Good luck finding a trade partner right now though
Good luck finding a trade partner right now though
Soulfly3
Footballguy
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
But they have 20 some complaints now? These aren't random people unless the lawyer is ######. They had to have given him a massage, there has to be records to prove at least that. Who even has massages with 22 different people? Looks pretty bad for him.
Not sure what this means for his future. Maybe a suspension for 8 games to a year? No way is his career over. It's gross for sure but people do way worse every day.
PS-I do think the idea that someone complained to the Texans and they hooked them up with the lawyer has some legs. Seems like there was some real bad blood and clearly the Texans ownership/management has some serious problems. Glad I quit cheering for Houston when the Oilers left. Doesn't get much uglier than this right now.
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kittenmittens
Footballguy
This is really messed up either way it goes.
This lawyer seems really fishy with his "I was lying earlier but now I'm telling the truth" vibe. More reputable representation would make this look even worse than it already does for Watson.
Just gotta wait for it to play out and we can never know before then I guess, but our dynasty decisions are due now I guess.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
It's so weird. If you want something like deep glute or groin massages and know it might make masseuses feel weird wouldn't you stick to the same one who knows how to attack your knots?
Lots of questions everywhere.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Kevrunner
Footballguy
I don’t see why he would be lying, he’s already rich, famous, has given over $20 million to charity. I think his net worth is over $700 million. He seems more than just a sleezy lawyer that some are calling him. But if he is lying like you say he is, I will be surprised.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’ve been holding back judgement until more news comes out (and to a large degree still am)...but it is super sus that all this comes out right as Watson demands a trade from a team that doesn’t want to deal him.
it’s an ugly situation either way, but it seems to be A. He did this stuff, and it’s weird timing that it allllll happened to come out right now, or B. He’s innocent & this is a weird shake-down / attempt to ruin him as he demands a trade.
Again; not judging until the whole picture comes out, but something shady is going on. Eager to learn how it develops / resolves.
it’s an ugly situation either way, but it seems to be A. He did this stuff, and it’s weird timing that it allllll happened to come out right now, or B. He’s innocent & this is a weird shake-down / attempt to ruin him as he demands a trade.
Again; not judging until the whole picture comes out, but something shady is going on. Eager to learn how it develops / resolves.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’d read the attorney is a neighbor of the team owner? That would add some shadiness if true.
Kevrunner
Footballguy
This is his statement regarding that:
“I need to dispel some silly rumors,” Buzbee said. “Yes, I live on River Oaks Boulevard and I live near the McNair family. I don’t know the McNair family. I wouldn’t recognize Cal or Hal or whatever his name is, if I saw him on the street. This case has nothing to do with the Texans, has nothing to do with free agency. The timing? I don’t know anything about that silliness and frankly don’t care about it. The Texans are not a team that I follow. This case is about brave women who are willing to step forward knowing that they will be criticized and ostracized and we should all get behind them, applaud them for their bravery and support them.”
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Kevrunner
Footballguy
He won a huge settlement against BP, and some other big settlements, he must be a pretty good lawyer.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yes. I’m sure he’s explaining it all away. again - I’m waiting to see how it all breaks. It’s a lot of coincidences. Either Watson is guilty or he ain’t, but for it to all come out juuuust as he wants out with a team that very publicly didn’t want him to leave with no record of any of the alleged assaults surfacing before & an attorney who just happens to be a neighbor of the owner.
That’s just an awful lot of coincidences of timing & circumstance.
Let’s see how it plays out. There’s too sides to every story. The side we know if this one came out of left field as the most opportune time for the Texans.
It’s all pretty weird.
jm192
Footballguy
A few months ago, I was trying to move McLaurin for Watson--which I felt was crazy overpaying--but I was stacked at WR and started Trubisky in the fantasy championship. The guy still shot it down. Unbelivable swing.
I don't even want to buy low now. I'd be afraid I'm throwing away 2 cents on the dollar.
Completely disgusting situation if true--and the texts make me think there's some fire to the smoke. As always, let the justice system play out.
I don't even want to buy low now. I'd be afraid I'm throwing away 2 cents on the dollar.
Completely disgusting situation if true--and the texts make me think there's some fire to the smoke. As always, let the justice system play out.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
He lied about the police calling his office per the police.
He probably lied about being able to recognize the Mcnairs on the street given his manziel billboards social media post from 7 years ago.
He's saying that this lawsuit is about preventing other victims from suffering, but hasn't involved law enforcement.
The guy being full of crap is not mutually exclusive with Watson being innocent of course but it seems like he is brazenly bending the truth.
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Shawnky
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Why would the Texans purposely lower Watsons trade value?
jm192
Footballguy
In Super-Flex or 2 QB leagues, sure.
In standard 1 QB leagues--I see McLaurin ranked higher in all of the trade charts/calculators. I feel like I always see McLaurin drafted before Watson in startups. QB's in 1 QB-leagues don't carry a ton of value. But at least 1 guy in my league agrees with you.
If the owner doesn’t intend to trade him then it doesn’t matter. If the owner has dissuaded other teams from wanting him then it is play for Texans or not at all. It seems far fetched, but something strange is occurring. On the one hand look at all the women coming forth... on the other, what weird timing and lawyer lying and rented billboard to convince McNair to draft Manziel yet says he knows no Mcnairs that are his neighbors. This is something you see the Ewing’s of Dallas soap opera wrapped up in.
