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12 hours ago, Meatwad Reloaded said:

Dudes...I simply cannot believe people are arguing about this.

These accusations are based on actual lawsuits that were actually filed in court.  The details of each case are plain to see, and it is plain to see that these are not hookers by any stretch of the imagination. As far as masseuses being flown out, that does not seem off base to me, especially in the Instagram age.  Lots of rich celebrities fly people out for all sorts of work. 

Anyways, the lawyer here is totally fukked if these are all lies.  He is a legit Houston rich guy lawyer and would be risking his career and probably his life if he was orchestrating a full on illegitimate smear campaign against one of the popular people in Texas. Because of this, I assume the lawyer has real evidence.  Plus there are 12 suits already filed?  Good Grief!!!!!  Dudes, I know I said this before, but if you even have three people in total unison claiming something like this against you, you are screwed.

Deshaun Watson is done.  If I am wrong, I will resurface and apologize.     

1st and foremost just because you can't believe it doesn't make it a horrible thing that folks are discussing the validity of all these lawsuits since not one single police report was filed that we know of. 

2nd, you don't know much about rich celebrities...just as an aside from my time running clubs and also rolling thru SoCal and Vegas 10-15 yrs ago, the rich folks can actually buy the porn stars for a few thousand for the night and never hear a word about it in the general public. Folks heads would explode if they truly knew what some folks engage in behind closed doors.  

Finally, "If I'm wrong" so you already made a judgement based on these lawyers in the media and that's exactly what their intent is, to embarrass and harm Watson as much as possible in the court of public opinion.  Resurface? So this was an alias to skirt the language filter and get a shot in on Watson so you can pile on? That's how it reads in the post. 

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The Athletic's Aaron Reiss reports two more civil lawsuits alleging sexual misconduct have been filed against Deshaun Watson. 

Attorney Tony Buzbee said last week that he was representing at least a dozen women who allege sexual misconduct against the Houston quarterback. There are now nine lawsuits against Watson for allegedly inappropriate behavior during massage sessions over the past year. NBC Sports' Peter King reported Monday the NFL could place Watson on the Commissioner’s Exempt List if Buzbee files any criminal charges against him, meaning Watson would miss at least some of the 2021 season if the legal matters stretch into September. For now, the suits are of the civil variety. 

SOURCE: Aaron Reiss on Twitter 

Mar 22, 2021, 9:50 AM ET

 

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Two things:

1) Cal McNair is the least likely guy to orchestrate a conspiracy because he is dumb as dirt.

2) Interesting that nobody has brought up the Covid impact on this case. Since a massage is not socially distanced at all, and the duration is usually about an hour,  the potential risk of exposure to covid is there. All the lawsuits filed so far that  I have heard about, the incidents have occurred during the pandemic. From Deshaun's standpoint, it doesn't make a lot of sense for him to be bringing in  all these people who he knows very little about to be in close contact with him during a pandemic. I assume if these are professional Massage therapists, they are all appropriately masked during the massage, but still I would not want to be that close to someone for an hour if I had no idea about what sort of person was doing the massage. That obviously is not proof of anything, but makes it easier for me to believe he was bringing in all these different massage therapists for something other than just a regular massage.

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3 minutes ago, dhockster said:

2) Interesting that nobody has brought up the Covid impact on this case. Since a massage is not socially distanced at all, and the duration is usually about an hour,  the potential risk of exposure to covid is there. All the lawsuits filed so far that  I have heard about the incidents have occurred during the pandemic. From Deshaun's standpoint, it doesn't make a lot of sense for him to be bringing in  all these people who he knows very little about to be in close contact with him during a pandemic. I assume if these are professional Massage therapists, they are all appropriately masked during the massage, but still I would not want to be that close to someone for an hour if I had no idea about what sort of person was doing the massage. That obviously is not proof of anything, but makes it easier for me to believe he was bringing in all these different massage therapists for something other than just a regular massage.

I thought of the COVID stuff earlier but I don't see how you are arriving at the bolded. Explain to me how COVID makes it more likely he was bringing in massage therapist for something other then a massage?

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These accusations are getting INSANE. I believe the women and these accusations are wild.  

I still find it pretty messed up that this was never reported to the police and is only finding it's way to the police because it wasn't quietly settled.  Especially the one(s) who claimed that there was a forced sexual act involved.  That is a serious, serious crime and if you are really concerned with preventing further crimes...

The lawyer basically told us that none of this would be public if Watson had paid the modest settlement.  Then he says that this is still ongoing within the last month after Watson is aware of the allegations (wtf).  The he says the goal of these lawsuits is to stop this from happening again???  Then in the next breath he says that they haven't contacted the police yet and next week they will?  NEXT WEEK!  You just told us there are still women being victimized!  The lawyer looks like a massive slimeball.

So far, Watson and his agents look like unbelievable idiots.

I can certainly understand the victims only wanting a civil case and not a criminal case.  Do you want to put yourself in that situation for justice and that's it?  It probably isn't worth it to them to get this kind of unwanted publicity for anything less than a pretty significant payout, so that could explain the hesitation to go to police.

I hate that the lawyer is lying through his teeth about the motivations of the case (prevention), knowing who the McNairs even are, and that he already had been in touch with police.  He's lying about stuff we can verify and that doesn't make me want to believe things he says that we can't verify.  The not knowing the McNairs is a classic liar move.  Just say you know who they are, of course, but you don't know them.  Don't even know who they are?  Such BS.

 

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1 minute ago, menobrown said:

I thought of the COVID stuff earlier but I don't see how you are arriving at the bolded. Explain to me how COVID makes it more likely he was bringing in massage therapist for something other then a massage?

Covid, to me, would make it less likely for me to go out and seek lots of different therapists to do my massages. I would want to find one or two that gave good massages and that were thoroughly vetted about their covid protocols and their covid exposure in their day to day life. Based on how he was finding these ladies, that did not seem to be going on. Therefore I look for other reasons he might have been okay with bringing in lots of different ladies to do his massages. Using them to satisfy him in a sexual way seems plausible.

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23 minutes ago, Blackbear said:

For anyone who knows...

Cosby started out as civil lawsuits, right?

First criminal case that results in charges being filed probably results in an indefinite suspension?

First criminal conviction means lifetime ban?

None of that has happened but seems likely that’s where this might be headed, right?

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28 minutes ago, dhockster said:

Covid, to me, would make it less likely for me to go out and seek lots of different therapists to do my massages. I would want to find one or two that gave good massages and that were thoroughly vetted about their covid protocols and their covid exposure in their day to day life. Based on how he was finding these ladies, that did not seem to be going on. Therefore I look for other reasons he might have been okay with bringing in lots of different ladies to do his massages. Using them to satisfy him in a sexual way seems plausible.

Thanks for explanation.

For me COVID or no COVID if you are a professional athlete with means to the best massage therapist and you are choosing to find your massage therapist by scrolling Instagram and never sticking with one on the regular it's a giant red flag.  Heck if you are regular dude and this is how you find your massage therapist and never stick with the same one it's a red flag, COVID or not.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, BobbyLayne said:

For anyone who knows...

Cosby started out as civil lawsuits, right?

First criminal case that results in charges being filed probably results in an indefinite suspension?

First criminal conviction means lifetime ban?

None of that has happened but seems likely that’s where this might be headed, right?

I believe that’s how it happened with Cosby, yes but my memory may be hazy. 
 

Watson appears to be in a lot of trouble here. The odds of some lawyer risking his license and gathering up 15 women to lie about an innocent man for money and just to drive him out of the NFL (something almost none of them would care about) is so unlikely you may as well talk about spaceships landing in DC. 

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5 hours ago, GordonGekko said:

 

You seem like a decent enough guy, so this is not personal.

no offense taken whatsoever.

I appreciate your detailed responses, regardless of the level to which we agree or disagree. 

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And frankly, if I couldn't do it, no one could do it. 

 

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Someone send a Game Of Thrones style raven to tell Sigmund Bloom that Old Man Gekko is back in the Shark Pool. He can take off that horrid looking morning jacket and take a break since he won't have to explain basic media optics to the unwashed masses of heathens here alone anymore.

no offense intended because you seem to be a decent enough fellow, but both of these statements come off a bit rough around the edges. 

To the first, if you’re going to make such a claim, maybe you should accompany it with a LinkedIn profile so we can establish credibility. Because that’s a pretty incredible statement. 

To the second, I’m just not sure why it would be necessary to take a jab at the entire community as though no one here knows anything except you & Sigmund Bloom. For one, we still haven’t seen any evidence. It wouldn’t be unprecedented for this to all go away. We just don’t know the deal yet. Hopefully we will see something concrete soon.  For another, FBG has quite a few members who are also professional people who know stuff & things, so forgive me if I don’t let that crack go unchallenged.

signed,

-one of the unwashed masses of the shark tank 

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2 hours ago, kittenmittens said:

 I still find it pretty messed up that this was never reported to the police....

It's common for massage therapists to have male clients try to expose themselves.  Massage therapists don't go to the police about those incidents, they generally just refuse to take that male client again.  So Watson is basically dealing with a MeToo movement to call out his creepy behavior.  I don't think he will get convicted of anything except being a creep.

Also, most of these happened in the last few months.  Even as recently as a few weeks ago.  So this isn't a case where the women are coming out of the woodwork from 20 years ago.  These are very recent.

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The odds of some lawyer risking his license and gathering up 15 women to lie about an innocent man for money and just to drive him out of the NFL (something almost none of them would care about) is so unlikely you may as well talk about spaceships landing in DC. 

Not Watson-specific, but to this statement, did you not see the attorneys who brought 62 cases to federal court in January, only to see every one of them laughed-out, withdrawn for lack of evidence or standing, or dismissed for lack of evidence or standing? "The Kraken" or Rudy Giuliani cases? Something like a dozen crackpot attorneys put their licenses & reputations on the line for frivolous, headline-seeking lawsuits & to this point at least none have suffered any consequences save for professional embarrassment (and it takes a sense of shame to feel embarrassment, so I'm gonna file that under "no consequences" because if they had a sense of shame they wouldn't have brought those lawsuits to court)

And that wasn't even about something as important as Football. It was only about determining who the President of the United States was, and potentially disenfranchising the votes of 80,000,000+ people. 

I'm just sayin - as a law and order guy myself, I would love for your point to be valid. But we have a couple hundred years of evidence to the contrary about attorneys and what they'd be willing to do for money or attention. 

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1 minute ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

 

Not Watson-specific, but to this statement, did you not see the attorneys who brought 62 cases to federal court in January, only to see every one of them laughed-out, withdrawn for lack of evidence or standing, or dismissed for lack of evidence or standing? "The Kraken" or Rudy Giuliani cases? Something like a dozen crackpot attorneys put their licenses & reputations on the line for frivolous, headline-seeking lawsuits & to this point at least none have suffered any consequences save for professional embarrassment (and it takes a sense of shame to feel embarassment, so I'm gonna file that under "no consequences" because if they had a sense of shame they wouldn't have brought those lawsuits to court)

And that wasn't even about something as important as Football. It was only about determining who the President of the United States was, and potentially disenfranchising the votes of 80,000,000+ people. 

I'm just sayin - as a law and order guy myself, I would love for your point to be valid. But we have a couple hundred years of evidence to the contrary about attorneys and what they'd be willing to do for money or attention. 

Well yea, there are plenty of scheister attorneys out there and your example is valid but what about the 10-15 women? Are there any examples of a dozen plus women coming together to accuse somebody of conduct such as this and have been found to be lying?

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8 minutes ago, Synthesizer said:

It's common for massage therapists to have male clients try to expose themselves.  Massage therapists don't go to the police about those incidents, they generally just refuse to take that male client again. 

This is true. It is also true that many massage therapists have included "extras" as part of their out-call services. I know one such therapist who did this for about a decade. And occasionally she would also refuse if she was creeped out by the client. 

At the end of the day what matters most is consent. If there was no consent, that's assault & it is a crime that Watson should be held responsible for. If it was consensual, then it may be illegal or immoral (depending on geography & personal judgement) but it may not necessarily be actionable. 

If it was initially consensual & suddenly not (for whatever motivation) that's a much trickier situation. 

I'm not saying which it is, but anyone saying that last part is a wild conspiracy theory hasn't been around the block, because there have been many such instances where a consensual relationship is later accused of being nonconsensual / rape / etc. I vividly recall a recanted story about the Duke Lacrosse team, for one high profile example. Ruined those dudes lives, and the woman admitted it was a lie.  These things do happen. 

Again: I do not know what is happening with Watson, but let's not all be doe-eyed babes in the woods here. 

 

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1 minute ago, Synthesizer said:

It's common for massage therapists to have male clients try to expose themselves.  Massage therapists don't go to the police about those incidents, they generally just refuse to take that male client again.  So Watson is basically dealing with a MeToo movement to call out his creepy behavior.  I don't think he will get convicted of anything except being a creep.

Also, most of these happened in the last few months.  Even as recently as a few weeks ago.  So this isn't a case where the women are coming out of the woodwork from 20 years ago.  These are very recent.

Thanks.  That's gross, and I would not have expected to hear that is a common thing. Hopefully it's obvious that I'm just asking questions here.

It's crazy that MOST of these happened in a few months.  Choir boy Watson suddenly just starts doing this a few times a week?

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Capella said:

Well yea, there are plenty of scheister attorneys out there and your example is valid but what about the 10-15 women? Are there any examples of a dozen plus women coming together to accuse somebody of conduct such as this and have been found to be lying?

I don't recall anything to this level or degree, no. I do recall many instances of changing stories, for-profit rape accusations, and the like. 

And I also recall times when more than one person has piled on to a popular story to get paid. 

Again again, i am not saying that's what is happening. But i am not going to outright dismiss the possibility. Because whenever something high profile that involves millionaires is going on, there are many possibilities that we may not ordinarily consider in our blue collar lives. At least, speaking for myself. 

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2 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

It's crazy that MOST of these happened in a few months.  Choir boy Watson suddenly just starts doing this a few times a week?

I'll take "things that just don't add up" for $300, Alex! 

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5 minutes ago, Capella said:

Well yea, there are plenty of scheister attorneys out there and your example is valid but what about the 10-15 women? Are there any examples of a dozen plus women coming together to accuse somebody of conduct such as this and have been found to be lying?

I think the argument (not that I agree with it) is that the women are all "Jane Doe" so it is conceivable that they could be not real.  

That seems very, very unlikely of course, but it also seems very unlikely for Watson to be this stupid.

I really don't get why the general statement "this rich established guy would never risk his career by doing something this stupid" doesn't apply to both the lawyer and Watson in the court of public opinion.

Maybe it's more likely than I thought that Watson is this stupid.

 

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1 minute ago, kittenmittens said:

I really don't get why the general statement "this rich established guy would never risk his career by doing something this stupid" doesn't apply to both the lawyer and Watson in the court of public opinion.

I think that's an excellent question. Why does one get the benefit of the doubt while the other doesn't? 

And why, if these are all 100% legitimate massage therapy professionals, are they not coming forward? Are these certified sports medicine types? This is the me-too era. They'd be celebrated as heroes by the media while Watson would be demonized.

One might ask what is the attorney attempting to hide by listing them as Jane Doe's? Might they have onlyfans pages or police records? Might they have worked in the sex trade prior to becoming out-service masseuses? 

Not victim blaming or shaming - I am pro-sex worker. I lived in Amsterdam for 2 years & believe prostitution should be legalized. I don't know if they're legit sports massage therapy professionals Watson found through a professional resource, or "other".  

Not knowing a single thing about these women gives me pause. 

I can't say it enough - I am not accusing anyone of anything here or passing judgement on anyone for any behavior that isn't "sexual assault" which no one here disagrees is a bad bad thing.

I'm just speculating on the myriad of possibilities in the absence of actual evidence.  Hopefully time will reveal more about all of this. 

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Sarah Barshop @sarahbarshop

A 13th civil lawsuit has been filed against Deshaun Watson. Houston lawyer Tony Buzbee had previously said he would be filing 12 lawsuits and had been contacted by at least 10 more women with reports about similar conduct from Watson. 

This is the sixth lawsuit filed today.

https://twitter.com/sarahbarshop/status/1374069433044512770?s=21

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the amount of women so far....let's just say 12 for now.....is troubling....hard for me to imagine a lawyer could round up 12 women in the same occupation, that all had "contact" with Watson......and get them to all tell the same lie for financial gain.....at that point they become a team so to speak.....and said lawyer is going to trust that not one of the team of 12 would eventually turn and "out" the whole "plan".....pretty risky plan to trust all 12 to stay the course.....all it would take would be for one to turn on the group and and all hell breaks loose......which if one of the 12 really wanted to make some cash would be an easy play.....

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1 minute ago, Stinkin Ref said:

the amount of women so far....let's just say 12 for now.....is troubling....hard for me to imagine a lawyer could round up 12 women in the same occupation, that all had "contact" with Watson......and get them to all tell the same lie for financial gain.....at that point they become a team so to speak.....and said lawyer is going to trust that not one of the team of 12 would eventually turn and "out" the whole "plan".....pretty risky plan to trust all 12 to stay the course.....all it would take would be for one to turn on the group and and all hell breaks loose......which if one of the 12 really wanted to make some cash would be an easy play.....

I do agree with this. 

The whole thing is insane though. It is equally hard for me to believe that Watson just went completely off the rails on a sexual assault-fest like this. 

In my 50 years I've never heard of such a dramatic character change other than a bipolar episode or CTE-driven brain damage-induced episode - which aren't out of the realm of possibilities either, though I hesitate to speculate on medical issues of anyone. 

It's all just so weird. 

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2 hours ago, BobbyLayne said:

For anyone who knows...

Cosby started out as civil lawsuits, right?

First criminal case that results in charges being filed probably results in an indefinite suspension?

First criminal conviction means lifetime ban?

None of that has happened but seems likely that’s where this might be headed, right?

With all due respect to a poster who i know I share very little of the same thoughts and opinions with OUTSIDE of football but a person who i deeply respect and always read their posts slowly in the Shark Pool(We tend to agree in here) so I am treading lightly here my friend. 

I'm just reading back to you the way I read it. Cosby started similar so Watson must be the same kind of guy...maybe I misread that. 

-Lifetime ban seemed sudden when you thrust it into a post, just saying. 

I read it as he is already guilty in your eyes and that's fine, people are entitled to think whatever they like, the lawyers are counting on it that represent these 20+ women suddenly. 

I'm a little surprised so many folks can't see the difference between something like this and a person who drugs innocent fans and actresses and whoever(Cosby specifically) and what we are hearing about Watson. 

_Not that it needs to be this extreme but you brought up Cosby, not me, and drugging and then forcibly raping an unconscious human vs anything I am reading so far which by the way have seen no evidence yet. 

Bobby, you are a highly intelligent man or i wouldn't go deep or this far, would just keep moving along but I read what you posted and I just wanted to give you a reflection of what I am seeing. 

Love you, love your SP posts and I don't want to be the guy who really tries to challenge you and your convictions/beliefs but this one I am having a hard time understanding all the angles on this story and am a little jealous so many of you seem to have found enough to pass judgement already is what i am getting at. 

Cheers Friend

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3 hours ago, dhockster said:

Two things:

1) Cal McNair is the least likely guy to orchestrate a conspiracy because he is dumb as dirt.

Accurate or not, I feel it needs to be pointed out that this is the funniest post in the topic so far. :lol: 

 

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2 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

_Not that it needs to be this extreme but you brought up Cosby, not me, and drugging and then forcibly raping an unconscious human vs anything I am reading so far which by the way have seen no evidence yet. 

Yeah, I'd say that's night & day. Fair point. 

Drugging & raping women is a far far cry from a dude getting aroused during a consensual massage & asking for a happy ending (even if he took it further as IIRC some reports have Watson allegedly taking it further & rubbing his junk on them). 

There are degrees to everything. If the allegations are true, then this is still not remotely analogous with what Cosby did.

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2 hours ago, Capella said:

I believe that’s how it happened with Cosby, yes but my memory may be hazy. 
 

Watson appears to be in a lot of trouble here. The odds of some lawyer risking his license and gathering up 15 women to lie about an innocent man for money and just to drive him out of the NFL (something almost none of them would care about) is so unlikely you may as well talk about spaceships landing in DC. 

😂. 🤣. 😂

UFOs-They're Here!

You kill me sometimes, 😆

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21 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Accurate or not, I feel it needs to be pointed out that this is the funniest post in the topic so far. :lol: 

 

Definitely spot on accurate.  Easterby is the wild card in this conspiracy.  

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52 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

In my 50 years I've never heard of such a dramatic character change other than a bipolar episode or CTE-driven brain damage-induced episode - which aren't out of the realm of possibilities either, though I hesitate to speculate on medical issues of anyone.

What could possibly make you think this is new behavior?  I would guess that it has been going on for several/many years and he has been getting progressively more aggressive over time.

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I had written out quite a monologue about when the actual time frame is when all of this started and if maybe we need to start going back and interviewing and questioning some of his former employers like Dabo Sweeney at Clemson, he had to learn this behavior if its proven true, he had to learn it somewhere, right? 

I want to be crystal clear that I take all allegations seriously, and I always want to believe and give the benefit of the doubt to the victims. I also am a free thinking adult and the timing is awful spooky and magic here when such an arc changing decision for both the Texans and DeShaun Watson hangs in the balance. 

I think it's awfully suspicious that both the man paying and the woman receiving money for professional services DID NOT think getting on a plane to come see him was at least a little unusual from the get go. How good could a massage therapist from State "A" be that is so much better than a trained professional in Texas where he resides?(Just a question, not an indictment) It's hard to imagine that there are not amazing massage therapists throughout Houston, TX...board a plane to administer a massage? It's not like a priest/pastor with his Bible was boarding the plane to provide a special homily/sermon for the athletes before a big game. :unsure:

i'm having an awful tough time with this. I love Watson the NFL QB, I thought I also liked Watson the Man but I am even wavering reading my own posts just a bit. But I still think folks deserve a chance to defend themselves in a Court of Law and not just be judged in the court of public opinion. I'm sorry Shark Pool but this one is tearing me up and I bet many of you. How could you not like Watson and what he has accomplished and done in Houston his short time in the league, a mode player at Clemson from all reports and yet he was an underdog of sorts coming into the NFL and to now read all this? 😪 

Then you read this and you know teams really don't give a you know what in the overall scope of things. They say one thing but the reality is quite another. 

Please don't allow this story to rip into all the good we have put forth during the pandemic in here. It's not worth getting upset over is all I am saying. 

I cannot even imagine what it must be like trying to root for the Houston Texans right now or trying to be one of these many women and having your individual voice heard. 

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11 minutes ago, tangfoot said:

What could possibly make you think this is new behavior?  I would guess that it has been going on for several/many years and he has been getting progressively more aggressive over time.

I guess someone could turn around and ask you the same question about the bolded.

What could possibly make you think that it has been going on for several/many years and he has been getting progressively more aggressive over time?

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4 minutes ago, Stinkin Ref said:

I guess someone could turn around and ask you the same question about the bolded.

What could possibly make you think that it has been going on for several/many years and he has been getting progressively more aggressive over time?

Occam's Razor

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12 minutes ago, tangfoot said:

What could possibly make you think this is new behavior?  I would guess that it has been going on for several/many years and he has been getting progressively more aggressive over time.

Just that it was totally unreported & Watson’s always had an excellent off-field reputation & allegedly these assaults all took place in the last couple months. 

Your guess contradicts what folks described of the reporting.

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2 minutes ago, tangfoot said:

Occam's Razor

Without knowing anything but what the attorney said and what Watson’s attorney said, we simply don’t have enough to use Occam’s Razor.

if we’re going to let that drive our analysis then Occam’s Razor indicates that these women are prostitutes, or in the least provide extra massage service, because why else would Watson fly them in when I’m certain there are many fine massage therapists in Houston? 

Not saying that these women are or aren’t, but if you’re telling me that I have to make the simplest assumption because it’s the correct one, well....

I don’t think we know enough to make fair assumptions is my point here. 

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3 minutes ago, zeeshan2 said:

a 13th lawsuit has been filed against Deshaun

Yep - Faust beat ya to it by an hour+
 

don’t feel bad. He is omnipresent and I’m honestly not sure if he is in fact a highly sophisticated AI that’s been programmed to also be a football fan. 

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1 minute ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Not saying that these women are or aren’t, but if you’re telling me that I have to make the simplest assumption because it’s the correct one, well....

You think that's the simplest assumption?  And not that a stud QB who has been treated like royalty for the past decade is in any way maladjusted or feels like he is entitled to whatever urge he wants to give in to?

If they were whores, we would already know it.

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8 minutes ago, tangfoot said:

You think that's the simplest assumption? 
 

that he flew these girls in and didn’t just go get a massage or book a local person to come give him a massage makes it the simplest explanation based on what we know, yes. 

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And not that a stud QB who has been treated like royalty for the past decade is in any way maladjusted or feels like he is entitled to whatever urge he wants to give in to?

I’m not in a position to judge that, and honestly neither are you. Or anyone. 

and frankly it’s irrelevant to the point I just made. You said Occam’s Razor. I’m merely pointing out that if we’re to make assumptions based on the most likely scenario, that flying in 10-13-15-20 different women for “massage” tells me they may not just be offering massage services. 

if a masseuse is so good that her work is in demand enough and preferred enough  by a client, I could totally see flying that 1 masseuse in 20x.

but why fly in 15 different women to massage you once? See, that makes no sense, Occam’s Razor-wise. 

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I disagree, but that’s irrelefant to my point, which is about Occam’s Razor, not whether they are or aren’t hookers. 

At this point we don’t know. But again - if I’m being asked to look at the information we have and make the simplest assumption, there ya go.

ETA: and to be 100% clear, I’m *not* saying there women are prostitutes. I’m saying we don’t yet know enough to make any sort of Occam’s Razor-esque logical conclusion. 

My statement was an example of why Occam’s Razor might fail you here. 

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1 minute ago, tangfoot said:

No kink shaming.

lol - not in the slightest. But ironically, by saying that you’re also implying that it was sexual in nature & not therapeutic. 

Occam’s Razor cuts both ways, which was my point. 

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13 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Yep - Faust beat ya to it by an hour+
 

don’t feel bad. He is omnipresent and I’m honestly not sure if he is in fact a highly sophisticated AI that’s been programmed to also be a football fan. 


 

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15 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Yep - Faust beat ya to it by an hour+
 

don’t feel bad. He is omnipresent and I’m honestly not sure if he is in fact a highly sophisticated AI that’s been programmed to also be a football fan. 


 

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3 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I think that's an excellent question. Why does one get the benefit of the doubt while the other doesn't? 

 

It probably does generally fit Occam's razor that a young man was being creepy and engaging in stupid behavior.  There are a lot of examples of people with choir boy public personas turning out to be creeps.  I was just pointing out that the same "nobody could be that stupid" logic applies to Watson's levels of alleged stupid. 

Obviously crimes happen every day, and after they are caught the criminals themselves wonder how they could have been so stupid... so I do get how we might not question it.

This story is so messed up.  Appreciate the insight from people far less stupid than me.

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2 hours ago, Ministry of Pain said:

With all due respect to a poster who i know I share very little of the same thoughts and opinions with OUTSIDE of football but a person who i deeply respect and always read their posts slowly in the Shark Pool(We tend to agree in here) so I am treading lightly here my friend. 

I'm just reading back to you the way I read it. Cosby started similar so Watson must be the same kind of guy...maybe I misread that. 

-Lifetime ban seemed sudden when you thrust it into a post, just saying. 

I read it as he is already guilty in your eyes and that's fine, people are entitled to think whatever they like, the lawyers are counting on it that represent these 20+ women suddenly. 

I'm a little surprised so many folks can't see the difference between something like this and a person who drugs innocent fans and actresses and whoever(Cosby specifically) and what we are hearing about Watson. 

_Not that it needs to be this extreme but you brought up Cosby, not me, and drugging and then forcibly raping an unconscious human vs anything I am reading so far which by the way have seen no evidence yet. 

Bobby, you are a highly intelligent man or i wouldn't go deep or this far, would just keep moving along but I read what you posted and I just wanted to give you a reflection of what I am seeing. 

Love you, love your SP posts and I don't want to be the guy who really tries to challenge you and your convictions/beliefs but this one I am having a hard time understanding all the angles on this story and am a little jealous so many of you seem to have found enough to pass judgement already is what i am getting at. 

Cheers Friend

that is the worst idea I’ve ever heard in my life

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24 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

It probably does generally fit Occam's razor that a young man was being creepy and engaging in stupid behavior.  There are a lot of examples of people with choir boy public personas turning out to be creeps.  I was just pointing out that the same "nobody could be that stupid" logic applies to Watson's levels of alleged stupid. 
 

I don’t disagree, but the thing about this story is that there are several angles that Occam’s Razor doesn’t neatly apply on both the alleged Watson the creep side & the alleged x# of women victimized side.

So much of this story doesn’t add up - I won’t rehash all the ways because they’ve all been covered here extensively already, but applying “the simplest explanations” here can lead to any number of incorrect assumptions simply because of how weird a lot of this is. 

And the timing is also super weird. I don’t know if it’s relevant, but it can’t simply be waved off with the broad brush of “coincidence”. Thinking Occam’s Razor stares at that aspect pretty hard, squints & pours itself a shot of bourbon.

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I agree. It’s weird as hell. I sincerely hope that allegations being levied at Watson aren’t accurate, because he’s a likable guy & a fun player to watch. Related to that I hope this because then there aren’t 10-13-20 assault victims. I don’t ever like to hear about women being assaulted by anyone, ever. 

If the allegations are true, it’s really an abrupt change in how Watson has been perceived for nearly a decade. Tiger  Woods comes to mind, though his relationships were consensual IIRC. He went through the PR ringer but didn’t really suffer professionally as a result of his deep and lasting affection for bleached blond trailer chicks. But similar in that his fall from grace was incredibly fast - no one knew anything about Tiger’s proclivities until he got busted & then it all came out.

That could be the case here. We’ll see I guess.  

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