Do they? I'm an idiot that is obviously clear, but do they have a legal right to know or can it remain anonymous?Watson's attorneys have every right to know who is accusing them.
If it were you or I being accused, we would want to know who our accusers were.
Do they?
4. The women are still working as massage therapists and are concerned clients might not want to hire them if they make accusations about clients.Oh, no question. I agree completely. But when it comes to accusations like this, the only reason to Jane Doe anyone that I'm aware of is if
1. they are under-age (not applicable)
2. credible threat of danger should their ID be revealed, like testifying against the mob (don't see how that's the case with a high profile public figure like Watson)
3. self-incrimination - this one might hold water, but not in a way that helps the accusers.
I'm not an attorney - my pops is one, and I took 2 years of business law as part of my degree program so I know some things, but obviously we never went this deep. I do not profess to be a defense attorney.
But like I said - it seems like the accusers would only be more credible if we knew that they were actually licensed massage professionals with clients who haven't been overtly sexual with them. Obscuring their names makes it more, not less likely that these are "working girls".
You do realize it was reported that several of the encounters were sexually consensual. Perhaps he tried on the others and failed and that is sexual harassment and he should try and settle ASAP as you said. I still can't get past this flying in several massage therapist however. Who does that? Perhaps a favorite? Don't you think this is looking more and more like a pay for sex thing? Or some of it was and the others weren't?He needs to settle, and settle ASAP.
Admit to his "illness" or admit to being a sex addict or whatever, go to therapy, and then go make 400 million more dollars.
I can see why the ladies are not filing anything with police. Probably nothing would happen. So, go get some money for what he did, and call it a day.
Who knows. Just end it.You do realize it was reported that several of the encounters were sexually consensual. Perhaps he tried on the others and failed and that is sexual harassment and he should try and settle ASAP as you said. I still can't get past this flying in several massage therapist however. Who does that? Perhaps a favorite? Don't you think this is looking more and more like a pay for sex thing? Or some of it was and the others weren't?
He can settle all he wants but the nfl is already investigating. The horse has left the barn there.Who knows. Just end it.
It sucks to give up money, but sucks even more to be able to earn 50x the money you will need to give.
He more than likely did some technically not so legal things. Jail worthy? Probably not. Banned from NFL worthy? Maybe. End it before it gets there.
Obviously that lawyer is counting on just that
Of course, so settle, get agreements signed, minimize damage.He can settle all he wants but the nfl is already investigating. The horse has left the barn there.
beetlejuice, gotta love that.Of course, so settle, get agreements signed, minimize damage.
This isnt about money earned, it's about the gazillions he has yet to earn
That lawyer beetlejuice or whatever his name is will be salivating if Watson and his lawyers are thinking that way
Thanks, this is excellent.https://www.yahoo.com/sports/where-things-stand-with-the-myriad-civil-lawsuits-filed-against-deshaun-watson-185850629.html
good quotes from a lawyer Craig Mordock, who specializes in sexual assault cases.
I am obviously not saying this is the case, but here is a hypothetical.Thanks, this is excellent.
From the article:
There is a well-worn legal axiom that if you have the facts on your side, you pound the facts. If you have the law on your side, you pound the law. If you have neither, you pound the table.
Thus far, Watson and his team have pounded the table
I think that hypothetical is statistically impossible. Plus you are forgetting there are women from other cities involved as well.I am obviously not saying this is the case, but here is a hypothetical.
Let's say 10 women randomly came out and accused YOU of this stuff. You were well known around town, known to have a lot of money, and went to several different massage parlors. There is documented proof you had a massage from all 10, though nothing inappropriate ever happened.
What facts could you pound? What law would you pound?
Serious question.
If I went to 10 massages and acted appropriately, there would be proof of return visits to those same therapists as well. So I would probably pound that fact.I am obviously not saying this is the case, but here is a hypothetical.
Let's say 10 women randomly came out and accused YOU of this stuff. You were well known around town, known to have a lot of money, and went to several different massage parlors. There is documented proof you had a massage from all 10, though nothing inappropriate ever happened.
What facts could you pound? What law would you pound?
Serious question.
SF or 2QB?I tried to buy Watson “low” and was countered for (2) 2022 1sts, 2022 2nd, and C. Wentz for Watson.
It’s safe to say his value didn’t get lower in that league. I think it actually went higher.
What is your name and location?The overwhelming majority know this is nonsense. Why else would 14 women not come forward with names in the public light while hiding behind a lawyer while having no criminal charges brought up cuz the evidence dont exist?
You hide when you have something to hide.
CowardIm not providing false accusations and committing libel against a named party without evidence
You are though, so whats your name and location?
You keep bringing up Brian Banks like it's some sort of comparable example. He had one woman accusing him, that is way different than 15 or more.Brian Banks says hi...
Only in America would we believe unnamed accusers where the accused can not confront the accusations from his accusers cuz they remain unnamed. lolol
But here we are, FBG dont need any more proof other than 14 women they never met who remain unnamed saying so.
It's a debacle for sure.I am obviously not saying this is the case, but here is a hypothetical.
Let's say 10 women randomly came out and accused YOU of this stuff. You were well known around town, known to have a lot of money, and went to several different massage parlors. There is documented proof you had a massage from all 10, though nothing inappropriate ever happened.
What facts could you pound? What law would you pound?
Serious question.
It can be both, but civil is easier to win in court and considerably more profitable to the plaintiff.Why is sexual misconduct a civil matter and not a criminal matter?
What am I missing here?
As far as I know Watson is making that claim as well as claiming he has several non-sexual encounters with massage therapist who will testify as such.Bring me up to speed on something. Did some of the women say that had consensual sex with Watson during these message encounters? Or is that just clutter and rumors?
Was it only Watson who said that, or did some of the women also say it?As far as I know Watson is making that claim as well as claiming he has several non-sexual encounters with massage therapist who will testify as such.
Projecting, Line 1...Believe your wife when she tells you the late night phone calls are to her girlfriend about drapes.
Maybe I'm behind but so far only Watson is saying it or his attorney is saying but since they don't know all the plaintiffs names I think he was just talking about the sole plaintiff they were able to figure out who it was.Was it only Watson who said that, or did some of the women also say it?
They're not even sure if she is one of the plaintiffs, they're making an "educated guess". I would be much more skeptical if this were the only woman, but there are 13 - 15 others, even if she is one of them.Maybe I'm behind but so far only Watson is saying it or his attorney is saying but since they don't know all the plaintiffs names I think he was just talking about the sole plaintiff they were able to figure out who it was.
They are saying he had a sexual encounter with her it was consensual and then she tried to blackmail him.
Rusty Hardin is putting it out there that the only plaintiff they identified he had consensual sex with and she tried to blackmail him and that sheds light on the others, he just can't verify the other accusations because he does not know who they are.
wouldn't a civil case mean this is a money issue only?It can be both, but civil is easier to win in court and considerably more profitable to the plaintiff.
That's a pretty good trick considering he supposedly doesn't know who his accusers are.Regarding consensual sex, Vanessa Richardson, a local reporter, had this report from sources close to Deshaun Watson that "some" of the cases against him involved consensual sex:
https://www.click2houston.com/sports/2021/03/23/sources-deshaun-watson-had-completely-consensual-sexual-encounters-with-some-of-his-accusers/
Some would argue civil is just easier to prove and get to court and not about money. Call me skeptical.wouldn't a civil case mean this is a money issue only?
And wouldn't it free Watson from any serious repercussions from the league?
They're not even sure if she is one of the plaintiffs, they're making an "educated guess". I would be much more skeptical if this were the only woman, but there are 13 - 15 others, even if she is one of them.
Sounds like you want it both ways.That's a pretty good trick considering he supposedly doesn't know who his accusers are.
It would. The attorney for the accusers has requested a grand jury.wouldn't a civil case mean this is a money issue only?
And wouldn't it free Watson from any serious repercussions from the league?
Eh, they're complaining about not knowing, and then leaking things like he had consensual sex with some of his accusers. Seems like they are trying to have it both ways.Sounds like you want it both ways.
Important to note that while perhaps creepy or weird, neither of those things are actionable unless there is lack of consent, which is what matters here.All that really does it make it seem like he does like to get off during massages and it's likely he does make some masseuses feel uncomfortable.
Johnny.....no trying to sound snarky....but this is like the 5th time you have posted something like this.....yet you keep coming back....if this isn't your roll, don't click on the thread at this point.....this is probably the direction the DW thread is going to go for awhile....I liked it better when I just got my news from Walter Cronkite on the CBS Evening news at 6:30 ET and my local news at 6:00 and 11:00 (ET).