SproutDaddy
Footballguy
I keep seeing Denver mentioned in here. All the talk on radio here for the past few months is that they’re all in on acquiring Rodgers after this season.
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Insein
Footballguy
And also, why wouldn't he be facing a minimum 8 game suspension as soon as he sets foot back in an NFL facility.
League won't do that until the legal issues are resolved. At worst it's Commish Exempt list until then.
And anyone trading for him is well aware of both the extent of the charges and what to expect from the league.
Unless your name is Zeke.
No legal action on him and he still got 5 or 6 game suspension for groping the girl in public that he was sleeping with.
RC94
Footballguy
I'm finding it hard to predict what the NFL will do if he's traded and activated. 22 women suing him and claiming harassment is unlike any other case we've seen. Every situation is unique and I don't think a lack of criminal charges automatically means he won't be put on the exempt list or even suspended.
Jayded
Footballguy
I would definitely value Watson over Lance in redraft at this point. Byes are starting to happen and Lance still isn't their QB1 other than because of injuries. If he isn't a bye week filler yet, does he ever supplant your QB1 even if he starts to get into a groove later this year? Said differently, would you trust a "he's finally maybe emerging" Lance to bench a Stafford, Brady, or other decent to good QB1? Watson could be that player as he's shown, so I reach for the opportunity if I can find a way to get him onto my roster at this point.
Wouldn't even think to roster him in redraft unless I was committed from the outset of the season to stream QBs all year and it's been a struggle.
Figure he needs a couple weeks to get with the program, couple weeks to get in a groove, and then it's like week 11...and will he be the D. Watson from two years ago? I don't know.
Grabbing him right as the bye madness starts seems as logical as picking up Jeff Wilson 4 weeks ago.
Figure he needs a couple weeks to get with the program, couple weeks to get in a groove, and then it's like week 11...and will he be the D. Watson from two years ago? I don't know.
Grabbing him right as the bye madness starts seems as logical as picking up Jeff Wilson 4 weeks ago.
Insein
Footballguy
Didn't stop them with Ray Rice. I would think they would be out in front of these things for image perception.
I guess I never would have relied on Lance more than a bye week filler for this year. My whole idea for holding Lance was as a keeper selection for next year. But you're right, he hasn't shown much, Shanny is committed to Jimmy for now. It would take a Jimmy injury again to even give Lance another shot. And then would I really be all that enthused about spending a keeper pick on an unproven but high potential QB? At least with Watson, we know he can perform. Assuming he doesn't get suspended...
LawFitz
Footballguy
I cannot fathom how in the this day and age of outrage that the NFL would allow Watson on one of their fields until these allegations are reconciled legally. One or three accusations, maybe. 22, no freakin way IMO.
That said, if you have an open roster spot and a barren wire, go for it for a couple days/weeks to see if you hit a pot.
That said, if you have an open roster spot and a barren wire, go for it for a couple days/weeks to see if you hit a pot.
I’m sure you remember that they gave Rice a token suspension after the investigation. It was only when the security footage showed up on TMZ that he was placed into the guillotine.
acme
Footballguy
Some us are playing Taylor Heinicke, Two Gloves Bridgewater, Carson Wentz, and Mac Jones during the bye weeks. If Watson hits the field, I'll take him even if he's only initially 70% of his old self.
Insein
Footballguy
Yes and they had a #### storm of bad PR after that. I don't think they want that again.
So you're saying that you agree with me. Commish Exempt list at worst until the legal issues are resolved. Thanks for the conversation.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
Does it really matter? Commish exempt or suspended, I bet the points he gets you is the same.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Wait, you're telling me you don't play in a PPEL (Points per Exempt List) league? C'mon, man, it's 2021! Get with the program!
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
This is why you can't compare his situation to Rice or Hunt. (To be fair, you also can't compare him to Aaron Hernandez or Rae Carruth, who were a million times worse.) As bad as what Rice and Hunt did was, they could at least ascribe their actions to a moment of anger that they were genuinely sorry about. Some people will never forgive them, but enough people clearly will, especially as we get further away from the incidents and they are not repeated. Hell, even Big Ben, who was accused of rape on two different occasions, seems to have rehabbed his legacy over the past decade, mostly because he got married and seems to have settled down.
But Watson isn't just accused of drunken sexual assaults, he's accused of being a sexual predator. The way the victims described his behavior, it sounds sociopathic. There's no coming back from that. If he came out tomorrow and apologized profusely, would anyone take him seriously? Could you imagine at any point during the rest of his life cheering for him?
So yeah, I agree that the NFL will find a way to prevent him from ever stepping on the field until this is resolved, and probably not even then. Best case for Watson is probably a Vick-type of scenario, where he gets punished, goes away for awhile, and then shows the appropriate level of humility as he tries to come back. But even there, I'm not so sure. As awful as it is to kill dogs, I suspect that, for the vast majority of people, sexual predation is far more unforgivable.
Birdie048
Footballguy
What is to say “Time served” for the missed games this season won’t be part/most of the suspension he is tagged with for his behavior? Maybe Houston Texans are playing that as part of the “heated trade rumors” coming out 2 weeks before the deadline??
If he settles his “22 cases” out of court and the NFL has little real evidence other than the already completed interviews, what does the Commissioners Exempt list serve?? PR ? Image of a “We care” approach & personal conduct policy that is unpredictable and inconsistent?
I have no clue what will happen. None of us do. With that said, I picked him up for 2023 goal. I can hold him. I have little else at QB (Wenzel, Mills, Ryan).
If he settles his “22 cases” out of court and the NFL has little real evidence other than the already completed interviews, what does the Commissioners Exempt list serve?? PR ? Image of a “We care” approach & personal conduct policy that is unpredictable and inconsistent?
I have no clue what will happen. None of us do. With that said, I picked him up for 2023 goal. I can hold him. I have little else at QB (Wenzel, Mills, Ryan).
skinsrule05
Footballguy
I could see that as being the best case scenario. If that happens I could see him possibly playing next year.
Non-football fans don't think of him much now. If he gets traded (especially in a blockbuster deal) he will be back in mainstream media. There will be a big uproar. It will take a while for that to calm down. That is why I don't see him playing this year.
Chaka
Footballguy
True but just because they haven't doesn't mean they can't or won't.
Goodell has broad authority under the personal conduct policy to prevent anyone from stepping onto the field if they exhibit "conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the NFL"
In here we can debate whether or not Watson's actions truly fall under that policy but if they say it does at 280 Park Ave then it does.
Jon Gruden chose to retire but his situation gives a pretty clear barometer of what the NFL can expect public reaction to be if Watson hits the field before his legal issues are resolved.
Chaka
Footballguy
Yes. Exactly.
Right, wrong or otherwise the Gruden situation defines a pretty clear expectation for what public reaction will likely be with Deshaun if he takes the field again.
It is virtually impossible (perhaps literally?) to imagine a scenario where the NFL will tolerate "sexual assault allegations" being the lead story before, during & after every Miami Dolphins game.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Chris Roling@Chris_Roling
The Dolphins would currently hold the second overall pick had they not traded it. And their reaction is to cough up even more for Deshaun Watson?
The Dolphins would currently hold the second overall pick had they not traded it. And their reaction is to cough up even more for Deshaun Watson?
Major
Footballguy
Wow, I haven't really followed the Dolphins action on all those picks Houston gave them plus their current bounty but really sounds like they blundered it. I thought they were sitting on a bright future at one point.
dhockster
Footballguy
The rumor is that Deshaun would veto a trade to Philly. If true, not much Philly can do after that. Like you said, based on the draft capital they have, their need at QB, and their willingness to take on the bad PR of a controversial QB (Vick), I think the only thing preventing Deshaun from going to Philly is the no-trade clause.
And 3.04 in the trade-up for Liam Eichenberg goes to the NYG. The Dolphins schedule get easier, so I expect the Philly pick to be about 1.04 to 1.07 based on a few more wins although games vs ATL, NYJ (x2) and HOU will hurt their SOS.
dhockster
Footballguy
I think if a trade happens now, it is very likely the following things are in place : 1)Deshaun has a settlement worked out in his civil suits. 2) The league is aware of this settlement and has told Miami what the consequences will be for Deshaun when they acquire him. Without those two things in place, I don't see how Miami would make a trade without conditions, and I don't think the Texans will go for a trade with conditions.
I speculate that a deal now would cost the Dolphins two 1sts and a second, and also a second that they receive from a 3rd team for Tua, which they would send onto the Texans. Nothing to base this on, just pure conjecture.
I speculate that a deal now would cost the Dolphins two 1sts and a second, and also a second that they receive from a 3rd team for Tua, which they would send onto the Texans. Nothing to base this on, just pure conjecture.
Vs a bad JAX defense. He'll get a chance to prove that he's improved from last year in the next 10 weeks.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Improved from last year? Wasn't he a rookie coming off a potentially career ending injury in college? Wasn't last year a "get back on his feet year"?
The head coach and GM wanted no part of Tua, he was forced down their throats by ownership. They've treated him as a boil needing to be lanced ever since.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Sounds like a coach and GM problem to me. I don't own any shares of Tua, but it is premature to write him off and frankly, he hasn't looked bad. I remember Peyton Manning threw 15 INTs his rookie year. Not saying Tua is Peyton, but to write Tua off after last year is stupid. He was coming off a horrible injury in college.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
I suppose I don't see how his college resume was bad. Perhaps I need to go back and look at his college play more. I thought he had star potential. What is so bad about his play from college?
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I don't watch college football, I'm just going off of what I've heard reported about the guy. He was a flat-out DND for a very large number of teams.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Well either stand up to the owner and don't pick him or make the best of it and give him a chance when you do. I find your stance pretty funny.
I also find it funny that anybody thinks Watson is strolling back onto the field. I could easily see him not playing this year or next. There's 22 women against him, they aren't all lying. This is going to take a long time to resolve.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
I'm not convinced it was only the injury. It could be the litany of injuries, but it could also be that his mechanics aren't ideal and may not have the other intangibles that teams are looking for these days.
I drafted Tua in several of my dynasty leagues and have been stubborn about admitting I was wrong. I was wrong.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
-OZ-
Footballguy
Anyone thinking he won’t get suspended doesn’t understand the league in 2021. Or thinks they know more than we do.RC94 said:
Yep. Dynasty, I’ve started biscuit, Lance, and Davis Mills while Watson sits on my bench. Superflex, could have started Hines or gagegreyhorse said:
my season isn’t going too hot right now.
-OZ-
Footballguy
He played alright but he was surrounded by future pro bowl players.
i still like tua
will buy low if he’s dealt. He doesn’t seem all that low in my leagues. 
Sunday Gravy
Footballguy
Nothing. You’re right he did have star potential but the wind is blowing in the anti-Tua direction right now so lots of MMQBs are jumping on the bandwagon.
He is still virtually a rookie less than 2 years removed from a horrible injury. It’s just too soon to give this to the jury yet.
