Yeah. But I mean...it’s the Texans...Can't see TX trading into the same division.
I agree. This was always the kind of hire they were going to make. Ownership and upper management have made this the worst head coaching job in the NFL and I would bet there are a number of college programs more appealing to some top coaches. The only coach who was going to agree to step into this situation was either a retread who isn't going to get another chance from 95% of the league so this would be his last chance, or a guy like Culley - someone who wasn't ever going to get a shot from 95% of the teams so this was his only chance.The Culley hire to me screams Easterby and Caserio know they have ALL the power and they wanted to keep it that way and hire a coach they viewed as not threatening to their controlling grip on the franchise and I believe Watson sees this as well.
Nope, as usual you understand what I am saying.I'm not sure what you're saying. If Watson went to Miami and Tua stayed, the #6 pick in the 2020 draft wouldn't be starting.
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport said Deshaun Watson requested a trade before the team hired David Culley as their head coach.
Rapoport said Watson's trade request came last week, though it became public on Wednesday via a tweet from ESPN's Adam Schefter. Watson's relationship with the organization was irreparably damaged when he was not consulted on the hiring of new general manager Nick Caserio. He reportedly found out about the hire the same way we did: on Twitter. Watson, 25, is now in control of where he'll play in 2021, with Robert Saleh's Jets emerging as the front runner. If the Texans play hardball with Watson, they can fine him $95,877 for missing minicamp and $50,000 for each day of training camp he misses. Probably it won't come to that.
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SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Jan 28, 2021, 1:38 PM ET
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Panthers plan to make a "strong push" for Deshaun Watson.
Rapsheet reports Carolina will be "aggressive" in pursuit of the elite quarterback. As we know, any team with even a passing need at quarterback should be checking into Watson's availability, but the Panthers are a particularly good fit. They have both an acute need under center and the No. 8 overall pick in the draft. The Texans will surely like the fact that they also reside in the opposite conference, limiting the amount of times Watson will be able to embarrass them in the years to come. Sporting an aggressive front office, the Panthers should be taken seriously if the Texans give into Watson's demand to be dealt.
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SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Jan 28, 2021, 5:07 PM ET
It would be dumb not to trade him within the division if it's the best return.Hoh said:Yeah. But I mean...it’s the Texans...
(yeah you’re right I’m dumb)
For that, you'd get a condescending pat on the head.Daniel Jones, Evan Engram, Giants 2021 1st (#11th overall), Giants 2022 1st. Let's do this Gettleman,
Bingo, why expect rationality from an organization that seemingly went out of their way to antagonize their franchise QB and made a litany of moves each worse than the last? Now suddenly they will make "good" moves? Said it in the Giants thread and I'll say it again; it seems Easterby wants players he can get to buy into his mindset/philosophy as much as he wants picks, which is insane... but here we are.Jets have the capital. So does Miami. Who wants to give up more draft capital, and who wants Deshaun more. That's what it'll come down to.
The Panthers are as unlikely as the Giants. But really, most of the 31 other teams in the game should be involved, especially those with 26-28 year-old running backs that the Texans love so much.
Heard a great quote from Chase Stuart today on Twitter, and allow me to paraphrase: Any rational approach to the Texans situation misunderstands it. They are not taking a rational approach to the situation. We can't even assume they have their own best long-term or short-term interests at hand. How does reason help in a case that has none?
I presume he's talking about Easterby and ownership, and he's right. They're probably looking for good Christian men playing our good Christian game of football for the Lord.
Well the Jets had their shot at Watson in the draft as well and chose a safety instead- ironically trading that safety away for two first round picks is what may allow them to acquire Watson now.Edgar said:There is shame in the Texans biting the bullet and trading Watson to Miami for the #3 pick (plus) that originally belonged to the Texans. Just like there's shame in the Bears trading for Watson now, since they should have just selected him or Mahomes four years ago. Organizations don't like admitting mistakes, even if it was a former GM who made the move. He's gonna be a Jet.
I understand Watson doesn’t get to pick his team but would he be happy going to the jets? Seems like a very lateral move. Can’t see it.Well the Jets had their shot at Watson in the draft as well and chose a safety instead- ironically trading that safety away for two first round picks is what may allow them to acquire Watson now.
Rumors are that it's his first choice. apparently he's a fan of Saleh and wanted the Texans to hire him or Bienemy.I understand Watson doesn’t get to pick his team but would he be happy going to the jets? Seems like a very lateral move. Can’t see it.
Miami is 2nd on this list, Jets are 1st, Texans are 32nd...shocking the role the media is playing in this, have heard very little from Houston and the owner/front office, they should be out in front of this holding press conferences, doing whatever they can to show their fan base they are trying but the sound of crickets are not helping much.
Yeah I just read that after. Head scratcher to me as the jets ownership finds ways to screw things up.Rumors are that it's his first choice. apparently he's a fan of Saleh and wanted the Texans to hire him or Bienemy.
I realize the Jets have been a complete joke but they have a respected GM and HC now so there's a chance it turns around.
Supposedly - and who knows with Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber - the Johnsons are staying out of decisions and letting Douglas run things. They even change their stupid reporting system where both the GM and HC reported to them seperately. Saleh now reports to Douglas and Douglas reports to ownership.Yeah I just read that after. Head scratcher to me as the jets ownership finds ways to screw things up.
I'd think any team willing to part with two or three first round picks (one of them in this draft) plus one good NFL-ready player would be in the running, so that puts the Jets (and really any team with a 2021 Top Ten pick) in a position of strength. However this is the Texans so if you have an WR with a concussion history or a terrible QB they may take that and two 2nd rounders for all we know.Supposedly - and who knows with Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber - the Johnsons are staying out of decisions and letting Douglas run things. They even change their stupid reporting system where both the GM and HC reported to them seperately. Saleh now reports to Douglas and Douglas reports to ownership.
But yes their ownership has sucked for the most part.
They traded away arguably the best WR in the NFL at the time and not only didn't get a 1st back, they took the horrible contract of David Johnson.The consensus seems to be 3 firsts as a starting point but as already said the Texans haven’t been great at trading lately. If anyone is going to compete with Miami and NY, they are likely going to have to give this years 1st and next year’s 1st, plus a good young player (likely on defense), plus something else (another 1st? Combo of 2nds, 3rds, young QB, etc.?)
Carolina was mentioned as possibly “aggressively” pursuing Watson. The 8, next year’s 1st, and one of their young front 7 guys of which they’re loaded with probably gets the conversation started I would guess if the Texans “brain trust” is even the slightest bit rational.
The guy who did that trade was fired 4 months ago and they have a new coach and new GM now. Maybe they will sell Watson cheap now that he’s publicly demanded a trade but I see no reason to get bent out of shape when you float a terrible trade where a team ships off damaged goods for a star.They traded away arguably the best WR in the NFL at the time and not only didn't get a 1st back, they took the horrible contract of David Johnson.
They get no benefit of the doubt from me and until further notice are the sucker in the room.
Texans GM Nick Caserio reiterated the team's commitment to Deshaun Watson.
"Organizationally, want to reiterate our commitment to Deshaun Watson," Caserio told media Friday. "We have zero interest in trading the player." And yes, he actually referred to Watson as "the player." Clearly at a crossroads with the front office despite its recent hire of respected coach David Culley, Watson finds himself battling for leverage ahead of the 2021 season with an owner, general manager, and coach he refuses to speak with. Even Caserio labeled the team's timeline to resolve any issues with the 25-year-old as a "one-day-at-a-time" process for the organization. With no long-term blueprint or plan in the near future in place to succeed at any level, Watson will certainly remain hard-pressed to waive his no-trade clause if only to escape the trainwreck grasp of owner Cal McNair and Co.
SOURCE: Sarah Barshop on Twitter
Jan 29, 2021, 1:53 PM ET
I could see two and a player with equal value to a first round pick.No way anyone trades 3 firsts for him.
No way anyone trades 3 firsts for him.
I could see it for people Caserio considers worthy of using his actual name more than once.I could see two and a player with equal value to a first round pick.
When you consider the Seahawks traded two firsts and a third for Jamal Adams and a 4th, three firsts for Watson is cheapNo way anyone trades 3 firsts for him.
At least you've channeled your inner stream of consciousness.I am speaking as a Phinsfan that has not bought a regular season football ticket to Joe Robbie Stadium in light years it seems...oh I've been to a game or two when a ticket was handed to me but I would not spend money on the team and I still hate the whale logo vs the old Dolphin symbol from the 70s and 80s.
Greetings,Buckna said:The guy who did that trade was fired 4 months ago and they have a new coach and new GM now. Maybe they will sell Watson cheap now that he’s publicly demanded a trade but I see no reason to get bent out of shape when you float a terrible trade where a team ships off damaged goods for a star.
Edited a few times, sorry.
BOB has been firedThe Frankman said:They traded away arguably the best WR in the NFL at the time and not only didn't get a 1st back, they took the horrible contract of David Johnson.
They get no benefit of the doubt from me and until further notice are the sucker in the room.
Sounds about right. LAR's 2024-2027 1sts.You are correct, it might be 4 1st rounders after seeing what Stafford got!
Stafford only got about 1 2021 first.You are correct, it might be 4 1st rounders after seeing what Stafford got!
No problem, sorry if I wasn’t clear in my earlier post, the poster I responded to was talking about how the Texans haven’t been acting rational (a fair point) so why would they trade Watson for anything close to what’s being speculated in the media or this thread, specifically citing the Hopkins trade as justification for his earlier speculation post of 2 firsts + Danny dimes + Engram for Watson. Jones already looks like a bust and Engram is oft-injured and in the last year of his contract so that’s the damaged goods I was referring to. The guy who negotiated and made the Hopkins trade was fired so I don’t see how it’s relevant any more even if Easterby and ownership signed off on it at the time.Greetings,
Can you expand? As I was reading this I thought you were saying "Well, we fired that guy 4 months ago" and as I was reading that I thought that doesn't absolve the Texans, The Houston Texans and their ownership from the top down, don't care what the names and faces are that are being funneled in and out of the arena/front office/staff, the faces change, the names change perhaps but the results do not. That said, as I was reading the 2nd half of the post, i got a little lost in the damaged goods for a star, maybe I gotta scroll back further but I hope we are not absolving the Texans of potentially being on the brink of losing DeShaun Watson.
I cannot express how done I would be with Miami if they had actually landed a franchise QB or had a QB that flashed "Franchise" and I'm aware of Tannehill's success in Tennessee but nobody ever thought he was a franchise QB here and not many Phinsfans begrudge him for anything.
But to have a QB on the roster of Watson's talent and leadership and to see him so angry and frustrated that he openly thru media says he wants to be traded...the fans should be down there railing about the potential loss of Watson. It's not something that should be taken lightly. With the current structure in the AFC, what are the chances the Texans ever compete for a Super Bowl or even an AFCC in the next decade if they lose Watson? It's mind boggling to not hear more outcry from the Houston Texans fan base. There should be season ticket holders already canceling should they trade away Watson.
I've always had fun posting back and forth with you Buckna, help me understand how a Texans fan can feel good about anything right now? And believe me as a Phinsfan, I have been ready to cut the cord a lot, in fact I have been so critical of Miami prior to 2019/2020(Flores) there almost was a time when the Miami fans on here hated me for being honest and candid and truthful about the reality of the current owner, etc...I still have my doubts they can truly get this turned around and especially with Tua right now but I've eased up a little on being so critical of them, feels like Flores has them moving in the right direction. It might take the NEXT head coach to build on Flores success but I'm hopeful we have the right coach for the next several years maybe an entire decade if we're lucky.
Cheers!
The Jets No. 2 or the Dolphins No. 3 overall are each worth more than the total package of picks the Rams got - plus the Lions has to take a bad contract.You are correct, it might be 4 1st rounders after seeing what Stafford got!
Excellent explanation, thank you for expanding the conversation. I think I'm in step with you here.No problem, sorry if I wasn’t clear in my earlier post, the poster I responded to was talking about how the Texans haven’t been acting rational (a fair point) so why would they trade Watson for anything close to what’s being speculated in the media or this thread, specifically citing the Hopkins trade as justification for his earlier speculation post of 2 firsts + Danny dimes + Engram for Watson. Jones already looks like a bust and Engram is oft-injured and in the last year of his contract so that’s the damaged goods I was referring to. The guy who negotiated and made the Hopkins trade was fired so I don’t see how it’s relevant any more even if Easterby and ownership signed off on it at the time.
There is nothing at all to be happy about with the Texans at this time, the only thing we can hope for is a reconciliation with Watson or a massive haul in a trade which I am prepared to be disappointed with at this point. Even a big haul of picks still wouldn’t be great as picks bust 50% of the time. I’ve stated in the Houston thread and I think my fellow Houston fans agree, there is zero reason to support this team until Easterby is gone and ideally the team is sold to new ownership (which will probably never happen.) If they trade Watson and draft a bunch of new guys I’ll support those players, it won’t be their fault they got picked by a crappy organization.
The Phins have the ammo and if you are someone who reads things outside of MoP's opinion than you would think Tua still has rock solid value, Miami could possibly just dangle Tua, the 1.03 and then the 2.03, Houston recoups their picks and get a potential franchise QB according to lots of experts, Phins fans defending Tua quite a bit, most aren't ready to turn the page like MoP who never wanted him to begin with.zed2283 said:No way anyone trades 3 firsts for him.
Panthers have a shot too I think.Does anyone here really think any team outside of Miami and NYJ have a realistic chance of landing Watson? Miami has always seemed like the best fit, and he apparently wants to go to NYJ (which more power to him, but seems like a mistake on his part). This talk about Carolina seems far fetched, as they would have a really hard time putting together a package that could beat Miami or NYJ. I know my Skins are desperate and Rivera was reportedly willing to go heavy for Stafford, but I just can’t see them with the ammo to get a deal done. SF seems too conservative with their picks to make a huge move like this, and again, they can’t really beat out Miami and NYJ. Unless Houston is absolutely determined to trade him out of conference, I just don’t see him ending up on any other team but those two AFC East options. It just comes down to who wants him more.
I’ve thought all along Miami is the best and most realistic landing spot for him. Much like my Skins, you are ready to win now, already have a solid D in place to compete and can backfill your offense in free agency. Most importantly you have the draft capital to get it done. And you know my thoughts on Tua, it’s best to move on while he still has value imo.The Phins have the ammo and if you are someone who reads things outside of MoP's opinion than you would think Tua still has rock solid value, Miami could possibly just dangle Tua, the 1.03 and then the 2.03, Houston recoups their picks and get a potential franchise QB according to lots of experts, Phins fans defending Tua quite a bit, most aren't ready to turn the page like MoP who never wanted him to begin with.
I have tried so hard to keep it quiet thinking that Watson wasn't really ever going to be traded but if he lands on another team outside of Miami I'm gonna be disappointed with all the silly picks we have form the very team where he wants out...how could Miami not be the No 1 landing spot?
True, but if Miami and NYJ are both interested, those are about the best two options you could ask for to play off each other and start a bidding war. Neither team will want the other one to get him, knowing they’ll have to face him twice a year. And they both have a treasure trove of draft picks. I just don’t see the Panthers able to put together a package enticing enough to land him in a competition with those other two teams.Panthers have a shot too I think.
Houston HAS to trade him. They have no choice other than to spite themselves. Which I suppose they may do, since they are Houston.