It's not really a lie if you believe that it's true.YES/NO
Did Buzbee LIE about providing evidence to the Houston Police on Monday, March 22, 2021?
No, but it was funny. At this point, I think that’s what this topic needs more of.Sorry, I know that wasnt helpful at all.
Hey I quoted some Dave Chappelle a few posts back!! Doesn't get funnier than that!No, but it was funny. At this point, I think that’s what this topic needs more of.
Yes. Let's not do that please.Whole bunch of 'Not saying, I'm just saying......' in this thread.
we do have facts tho, which was what we were discussing.Yes. Let's not do that please.
Basically, let's wait till we have facts. Thanks.
If this was all made up (highly unlikely imo), Watson would beat them into the pot with a defamation suit. And it would be worth millions. Tens of millions.So what I know:
it wouldn’t be defamation because the things alleged by the attorney were technically true (in this hypothetical, of the situation described above).
But colluding with owners/team harmed Watson’s image by timing the release of information until it could do the most damage is almost certainly actionable.
An attorney would have to put it into legal terms for us, but from my memory of tort law, there’s absolutely economic & repetitional harm done to Watson, coordinated between team/owners & this attorney.
that’s purely in this hypothetical scenario where no criminal charges are ever filed & some/all women recant or drop their civil suits.
Or he decided it wasn’t in his clients’ best interest. Or they don’t want to. Lots of reasons why he may not have. Means nothing.YES/NO
Did Buzbee LIE about providing evidence to the Houston Police on Monday, March 22, 2021?
Only if you like having elite players on your roster.Any reason to try and acquire Watson right now....
Even if it wasn't made up that might be true.If this was all made up (highly unlikely imo), Watson would beat them into the pot with a defamation suit. And it would be worth millions. Tens of millions.
I wanted to wait on my 1.08 until the draft but this seemed like getting Watson on the cheap and didn’t want to waitOnly if you like having elite players on your roster.
I kinda think that Watson and his attorney have been more willing and are discussing possible settlements and maybe that’s why Buzbee hasn’t pursued the criminal charges as of yet. Just the threat of doing it might be what leads to these suits being settled.Buzbee didn't meet his own deadline.
Missing a deadline is lying?
Tough crowd.
I think you did very well. If this Watson thing blows over with minimal suspension then you did very very well.I wanted to wait on my 1.08 until the draft but this seemed like getting Watson on the cheap and didn’t want to wait
Got DeShaun Watson, 2022 1st, 3.05, 2022 3rd
Gave 1.08, Hamler, 4.08
This seems not all that unlikely.Watson could both be an assailant and a victim here. It is entirely feasible.
I think that’s the most reasonable approach anyone can take.I hope it's been clear in my posting that I don't know anything and haven't reached any conclusion, just trying to reason in a way that can help predict the outcome and make the best possible fantasy moves. Pure speculation.
I think this is spot on, and what I mean by posturing.I kinda think that Watson and his attorney have been more willing and are discussing possible settlements and maybe that’s why Buzbee hasn’t pursued the criminal charges as of yet. Just the threat of doing it might be what leads to these suits being settled.
There is a small amount of evidence at this time. He texted one woman to say that "he makes a lot of massage therapists uncomfortable" and he texted another woman to apologize for making her uncomfortable during the massage. Obviously that isn't enough to convict someone of a crime, but there is evidence he knows that he acts inappropriately during massages.You think he is guilty based off no evidence....
There is surely some evidence out there - it just comes down to how convincing/credible one finds it: those texts (assuming they exist); the NDA (assuming its real) and even the complaints filed (they require a signed verification by attorney or client). Even Watson's statement that there was consent is evidence encounters may have taken place.There is a small amount of evidence at this time. He texted one woman to say that "he makes a lot of massage therapists uncomfortable" and he texted another woman to apologize for making her uncomfortable during the massage. Obviously that isn't enough to convict someone of a crime, but there is evidence he knows that he acts inappropriately during massages.
Two more lawsuits were filed against Deshaun Watson Monday, accusing him of sexual misconduct.
The grim tally now stands at 18 lawsuits alleging the Houston quarterback sexually harassed and assaulted massage therapists. One of the lawsuits was filed by a flight attendant and message therapist who knew Watson through a mutual friend. She's the first plaintiff to have known the QB before the alleged sexual misconduct. Attorney Tony Buzbee said in a recent Instagram post that there would eventually be 20 lawsuits against Watson. A lawsuit filed last week called Watson a "serial predator." Through his attorney, Watson denies the allegations. NBC Sports' Peter King wrote Monday that "no team can trade for Watson now, or until these allegations are either proven false or until the cases are settled, dismissed or withdrawn." Watson is trending toward missing some or all of the 2021 season unless his legal matters vanish in the next few months.
SOURCE: Aaron Reiss on Twitter
Mar 29, 2021, 9:28 AM ET
Hot take, coming in!!Was this criminal serial sexual abuser arrested yet? Have not seen the latest.
Im sure with all this evidence from a stand up civil lawyer that he will be behind bars in no time.
lol No way possible that people can do things to try to get rich.
You think he is guilty based off no evidence, just a civil lawyers lawsuit in which you have not seen the evidence because you believe women dont lie.
Hear about the one where the woman created a fake company to steal money from investors? Elizabeth Holmes loves the fact you think women cant lie and make up stuff for personal gain...she really really loves that narrative. I mean, why would she do all that lying if she would eventually be caught? Who would do the obvious lie and risk it all for a few bucks?
I think I read a story where the people were being warned and they said "How do you fake a company?" Welp, they look smart huh? #BelieveAllWomen, even the ones who lie.
don't know you whatsoever....but you might be misreading the temperature of the majority of the room just a little...think most in here are squarely in the innocent until proven guilty camp....there may be a few skewed to one extreme or the other.....but most aren't sounding really bitter for any particular reason....most simply saying innocent until proven guilty while also just recognizing and acknowledging it doesn't look real great at this point....but we will have to wait and see....Razors Edge said:OMG, you are defending men and not trusting women on their word...ignore. lol
Your take is why so many guys like me exist, but most of us dont say anything.
You guys hear what men who dont run and hide in fear of being silenced by society have to say and youa re shocked at our dislike for the hatred of men...wait, you wanna silence me. check that. You dont wanna hear what a man who isnt trying for likes in a forum of 99% other men actually have to say.
Silencing us on twitter and here dont make my view change in real life.
Let me guess tot he fake men wanting fake woke points with mostly other men, you think you are in the majority of men? No, so you minority of men cowering to womens lies to appear fake woke are the ones who should be ignored.
The majority of dudes skate right past this thread because of your weak defenses of women and just dont wanna deal with it as if the men defending men of false lies are the problem and not the men just trusting lies are not the problem. Not I, I love confronting people who just trust women as if they never grew up with them or have a significant other, sister, mother, cousin who lies their tuchus off.
Men believing women just because are the problem, deal with it. I couldnt imagine being a man who thinks scoring woke points in man hatred is the way to go as if it wins anything.
The same men crying about believing women are the first ones to cheat and not hold the door open for them, so spare me.
Thoughtfully supporting men will not get you put on ignore. It's usually the unhinged rants that will do it.Razors Edge said:OMG, you are defending men and not trusting women on their word...ignore. lol
Your take is why so many guys like me exist, but most of us dont say anything.
You guys hear what men who dont run and hide in fear of being silenced by society have to say and youa re shocked at our dislike for the hatred of men...wait, you wanna silence me. check that. You dont wanna hear what a man who isnt trying for likes in a forum of 99% other men actually have to say.
Silencing us on twitter and here dont make my view change in real life.
Let me guess tot he fake men wanting fake woke points with mostly other men, you think you are in the majority of men? No, so you minority of men cowering to womens lies to appear fake woke are the ones who should be ignored.
The majority of dudes skate right past this thread because of your weak defenses of women and just dont wanna deal with it as if the men defending men of false lies are the problem and not the men just trusting lies are not the problem. Not I, I love confronting people who just trust women as if they never grew up with them or have a significant other, sister, mother, cousin who lies their tuchus off.
Men believing women just because are the problem, deal with it. I couldnt imagine being a man who thinks scoring woke points in man hatred is the way to go as if it wins anything.
The same men crying about believing women are the first ones to cheat and not hold the door open for them, so spare me.
so this trade request is about him having run out of houston area massage therapistsWatson reached out to both Mary and the referring therapist the day after his appointment, asking to book with her again. Mary says she told him, via text, that she was not available. In the following months, she says she heard from Watson twice more, via Instagram direct message. Each time he did not seem to realize that he’d previously booked with her. SI reviewed these messages, sent from Watson’s verified Instagram account, as part of the process to corroborate Mary’s account.
She came across as credible and in many ways I took that as really good news for Watson.
How on earth is that article good news for Watson? It’s extremely damning.She came across as credible and in many ways I took that as really good news for Watson.
lol wut?She came across as credible and in many ways I took that as really good news for Watson.
"These pants are chafing me, mind if I take them off?"Can’t believe how Mary’s account of what happened can be considered good news for Watson. Basically confirms what the other woman are saying, but not as awful, even though Watson offered her the opportunity to touch his unit, he didn’t force her, but that didn’t stop him from doing his weird thrusting. “This towel is “itchy”, lol, that cracked me up.
I liked it better when we didn't know these things. At what point did this become important to people?Can’t believe how Mary’s account of what happened can be considered good news for Watson. Basically confirms what the other woman are saying, but not as awful, even though Watson offered her the opportunity to touch his unit, he didn’t force her, but that didn’t stop him from doing his weird thrusting. “This towel is “itchy”, lol, that cracked me up.
Razors Edge said:The majority of dudes skate right past this thread because of your weak defenses of women and just dont wanna deal with it as if the men defending men of false lies are the problem and not the men just trusting lies are not the problem.
Blame Roger.I liked it better when we didn't know these things. At what point did this become important to people?
The one accusation did use the term "coereced" and I think something along the lines of she blacked out and defecate on herself after which is a pretty astounding accusation to make.Wasnt the claim "coereced" oral sex? That's a bit different than forced.
Guessing there would need to be proof for something like that.The one accusation did use the term "coereced" and I think something along the lines of she blacked out and defecate on herself after which is a pretty astounding accusation to make.
I never read the other accusation but have seen stuff like this reported, one aritle I read said " Later, she says, Watson forced her mouth onto his penis, which she said left her fearing for her life."
That's some out of the league for years, looking at jail time kind of accusations.