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57 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Incredible. 

I truly can’t imagine the failure of Watson’s team to not handle this all privately. 

That, or he’s just such a freak he created a truly uncontainable situation.

it’s all pretty hard to believe, yet here we are. 

With so many women coming forward, it no longer seems possible for Watson to have a football career after this.

Innocent until proven guilty & all that, sure, but woof. This looks bad bad. 

Several women have agreed to participate in a civil proceeding.  Two are involved in a new criminal investigation.  The defendant and counsel profess his innocence.  It will be interesting to see if all the Jane Doe's continue to the next step.

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NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Deshaun Watson's future on the playing field remains "up in the air."

Watson's team has argued that, according to Texas law, the 25-year-old can't properly defend himself against anonymous accusers, which essentially ensures that all 22 accusers not only identify themselves but that all cases will be reconsolidated as one large civil lawsuit. While both rulings are considered small wins for Watson's legal team, this issue isn't going away absent settlement or cases being dropped altogether — both scenarios seem highly unlikely at this point. Odds are the league keeps out of it until further evidence is brought to the table. This situation (and Watson's unknown outlook on the field) could drag well into the summer.

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Apr 9, 2021, 1:52 PM ET

 

 

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2 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Incredible. 

I truly can’t imagine the failure of Watson’s team to not handle this all privately. 

That, or he’s just such a freak he created a truly uncontainable situation.

it’s all pretty hard to believe, yet here we are. 

With so many women coming forward, it no longer seems possible for Watson to have a football career after this.

Innocent until proven guilty & all that, sure, but woof. This looks bad bad. 

It all started with one suit and when the other women heard about it they called up.  So just speculating further aloud here.

I can't help but wonder if Watson wasn't forthcoming with his legal team about the situation. In particular if asked "is this a lone situation or are there others that might come forth with the same kind of complaints?"  

Because it seems like if they had any idea this might not remain a lone case, then like you said, it is an immense failure to have not just settled and avoided the risk.

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9 minutes ago, STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:

The Texans are a dumpster fire of an organization. WOW. 

 

ETA - Im not saying this is their fault, but given they coulda traded this guy and all the other player trades and defections, just wow. 

As a Texans fan, it's been a dumpster fire for a while now.  This is just the cherry on top.  Piss poor management/ownership.  

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It really is amazing how just a month ago, PFF was photoshopping Watson into a Jets jersey and I thought three first rounders was a good idea for him. Oh my God. 

This is truly ugly. I can't even include everyone in my thoughts because somebody is not telling the truth here. 22 women? That's a lot. 

But he's innocent until proven guilty. 

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4 hours ago, moondog said:

Now this - "Deshaun Watson's attorney: Sexual encounters with massage therapists were consensual"

https://theredzone.org/Blog-Description/EntryId/14902/Deshaun-Watson-s-attorney--Sexual-encounters-with-massage-therapists-were-consensual

It’s his only option. I called this a month ago. He has to say the encounters are consensual. 

Now someone has to prove something. It’s all gonna bad. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

It’s his only option. I called this a month ago. He has to say the encounters are consensual. 

Now someone has to prove something. It’s all gonna bad. 

 

The texts/etc that have already gone public make Deshaun's chances of convincing people it was consensual kind of bleak.  

Timestamped evidence those particular women came away from these encounters upset about what happened during them. Using language that is very in line with what was alleged. Deshaun apologizing in one of them.  Discussion of him having a reputation for it. 

Yeah, doesn't look good.  He'd better hope that's the lot of it and they can get them thrown out for whatever reason.

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So that guy who hates women and swore up and down this was all a lie and anyone doubting Watson was 100% innocent was a cuck appears to have completely erased his tracks from this thread.  Unless I'm missing something.  Interesting.

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1 hour ago, facook said:

So that guy who hates women and swore up and down this was all a lie and anyone doubting Watson was 100% innocent was a cuck appears to have completely erased his tracks from this thread.  Unless I'm missing something.  Interesting.

@Razors Edge said he would report back

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16 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

It’s his only option. I called this a month ago. He has to say the encounters are consensual. 

Now someone has to prove something. It’s all gonna bad. 

 

Once you admit that it happened with multiple women, I'd say good luck to you.

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15 hours ago, Jayded said:

Damn. He was the Texans’ beat writer with the most accurate info. Now we’re left with last-to-know McClain 🙄

Accuracy aside, its amazing he didn't think through the potential blowback of his way over the line commentary.  I hate the PC movement, but dude went off.

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3 hours ago, SeniorVBDStudent said:

Accuracy aside, its amazing he didn't think through the potential blowback of his way over the line commentary.  I hate the PC movement, but dude went off.

I have always followed Wilson on Twitter, hope he lands on his feet.  I have to assume he is friends with Watson, and went HAM defending him.  

Total rookie move by Wilson however.  "Hey, wanna come on Boston sports talk radio and discuss Deshaun Watson?"

Ummm, the correct answer is NO.  

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21 minutes ago, massraider said:

Total rookie move by Wilson however.  "Hey, wanna come on Boston sports talk radio and discuss Deshaun Watson?"

Ummm, the correct answer is NO.  

Sad state of affairs. Journalists are now heads of state and judges all at once. Those were dumb comments. Move on. This is a preëmptive strike against the outrage machine that exists in our culture.

Somehow if you catch me on a bad day and in a bad situation I'm enough of a contrarian to say #### that rises to a fireable offense. For sure. Especially on Boston talk radio with those guys. Who was he talking with, Felger and Mazz? They're so stupid they make me want to Spicoli myself with my shoe.

I'M SO STONED!

Ah, I see it was Greg Hill. I have no idea who that is. Hope it was worth it, I guess.

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FMIA: 20 QB Decisions Shaping This NFL Offseason, Draft Like No Other

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2. I think, not to harp on Watson, but three things happened in the past week that were bad for him.

• The cases against him got two faces—two massage therapists who spoke publicly against him. One, Ashley Solis, said of Watson: “I got into massage therapy to heal people, to heal their minds and bodies and to bring peace to souls. He took that away from me and he tainted a profession in which I take enormous pride. Flashes of Watson’s face rush to me in a moment. I think of his penis touching me, which sends me into a tailspin. I suffer from panic attacks, anxiety and depression . . . I hope he knows how much pain he has inflicted on me emotionally and physically.”

• Watson’s attorney, Rusty Hardin, did not do a smart thing when he said Solis sought “hush money” to make the case go away. As Mike Florio, a former attorney, wrote at Pro Football Talk:

“Although Hardin uses the term ‘hush money’ to describe the opening settlement demand, the email messages disclosed by Hardin reveal the standard type of pre-litigation communications in which lawyers engage in an attempt to resolve potential claims without litigation by going back and forth in the hopes of reaching a consensus. [Attorney] Scott Gaffield wrote on Watson’s behalf. ‘As I said to [plaintiff’s attorney] Cornelia [Brandfield-Harvey] last week, we don’t believe that the alleged facts show that Deshaun did anything wrong with regards to Ms. Solis, but we are nevertheless happy to continue the conversation around a reasonable settlement figure because we believe he can learn a lesson about having put himself in this situation.’ In other words, Watson’s camp was willing to consider paying something to settle the case because, as Gaffield said, ‘we believe he can learn a lesson about having put himself in this situation.’ … It shows that Watson’s representatives viewed the claims made by Ashley Solis as something that weren’t frivolous but that instead provided a useful opportunity to teach Watson a ‘lesson about having put himself in this situation.’ “

Not good for Watson’s case.

• The rhetoric, and consequences, are ratcheting up. The NFL called Solis’ words “deeply disturbing.” Nike dropped Watson and told CNBC: “We are deeply concerned by the disturbing allegations and have suspended Deshaun Watson.” Beats by Dre and Reliant Energy will no longer do business with Watson.

As one NFL coach told me Saturday, you cannot dismiss Solis’ words, or her emotion. Now, what actually happened is still cloudy, and Watson’s side has produced 18 women who say he never did anything untoward in their sessions over the past five years. But we’ve gone from wondering who would trade for Watson a month ago to wondering two more dire things: Will he play football at all in 2021, and will he be found guilty of any charge of sexual assault, the kind of thing that would put a scarlet letter on Watson for the rest of his career?

 

 

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20 of 21 agreed to proceed with their names revealed in court documents.  1 dismissed due to "privacy concerns".

"Team Buzbee" says the previously attempted to provide the names to "Team Watson" under the condition that the names would be protected and restricted to legal matters, and that Team Watson refused.

Neither of these updates is a particularly good look for Team Watson.

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5 hours ago, Acrobat7 said:

I don’t see any chance of him not missing games this season. Zero.

Regarding the law suit: let it play out. Football will take a backseat.

My thinking is  he only misses a handful of games, but anything can happen.

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😳 I just dont see how he plays this season. Its neverending and not a end in sight 

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As more Deshaun Watson accusers go public, their attorney rails against quarterback’s response

 

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HOUSTON — The phone call Tony Buzbee had been expecting came one night in mid-March, he said, as he was driving to dinner.

Buzbee is the wealthy, flamboyant civil attorney who just days earlier had announced via Instagram the first in a wave of lawsuits accusing Deshaun Watson, the Houston Texans’ star quarterback, of harassing and assaulting women during massages. He answered the phone to hear the gravelly twang of the lawyer famous sports figures in this city turn to when they are accused of wrongdoing: Rusty Hardin.

The men exchanged pleasantries, Buzbee recalled, and then Buzbee made an offer.

“Your guy’s got some kind of weird problem ... alleged problem,” Buzbee said he told Hardin. “This is already spiraling in a bad direction. ... Why don’t we try to resolve this now?”

Buzbee had filed three lawsuits against Watson by then, and he told Hardin he had another four ready to go, he said. Buzbee had tried to settle weeks earlier, he told Hardin, but had been rebuffed by the quarterback’s management at the firm Athletes First, whom Buzbee characterized to Hardin, he said, as “arrogant, dismissive jackasses.”

According to Buzbee, Hardin asked to have until 5 p.m. the next day to confer with Watson and his management. At 7 p.m. the following day, Buzbee said, he got a text from Hardin informing him there would be no settlement.

“And away we go,” Buzbee said during an hour-long interview Wednesday, in which he offered the most detailed account to date of the legal battle behind the scandal that has engulfed the career of one of the NFL’s most promising young stars.

Hardin, in a brief phone interview Wednesday, disputed the veracity of some of Buzbee’s remarks but declined to get into specifics, citing a wave of legal filings he plans to make next week.

“There are many inaccuracies in what Tony has said, but I would rather address them in court filings than in an article,” Hardin said.

The legal wrangling intensified this week, with Buzbee refiling most of 21 lawsuits, initially made anonymously, with the names of the accusers. The women all provide similar accounts, alleging the star quarterback contacted them via Instagram over the past year to arrange massages in which he then attempted to get them to gratify him sexually. The accusations against Watson range from exposing himself and forcing his penis against women’s hands while making suggestive remarks to masturbating and, in two cases, forcing women to perform oral sex on him.

Three more of Buzbee’s clients recently spoke to Houston police, Buzbee said Wednesday, bringing the publicly known total of accusers involved with the law enforcement investigation of Watson to five. A spokesman for Houston police declined to comment.

Watson and his legal team have denied any allegations of wrongdoing with women. Hardin has acknowledged the quarterback arranged massages over the past year via Instagram, which the attorney partially blamed on the coronavirus pandemic shutting down Houston’s spa industry. But he said any sex acts that may have occurred during massages were consensual.

Ashley Solis, the first woman to come forward, contacted Buzbee’s firm in late January, he said. While Buzbee rose to legal fame and wealth primarily through large cases against oil companies, his firm routinely handles civil sexual assault cases against universities, corporations and prominent local figures, he said.

“Most people know that if I’m involved, they probably want to resolve the case,” Buzbee said. But he said that in his initial conversations with Scott Gaffield, general counsel for Athletes First, it quickly became clear that Watson’s management didn’t take the case seriously.

“I said: ‘Let me tell you how this is going to go down: I’m going to file the case. The press is going to pick it up. It’s going to be a circus. ... He’s going to have to hire Rusty Hardin.’ And here we are,” Buzbee said. “This guy was so clueless about how things work.”

Presented with Buzbee’s version of events, Gaffield declined to comment Wednesday, referring a reporter to an earlier statement in which he said: “We did not think that the facts showed that Deshaun did anything wrong with their client. ... We expect that this matter will be resolved in court.”

Buzbee said he initially suggested the sides enter in private, confidential mediation. Gaffield rejected that, Buzbee said, and asked for a demand letter outlining what Solis wanted. Buzbee offered to settle the case for $100,000, he said, which Gaffield also rejected.

“We don’t believe that the alleged facts show that Deshaun did anything wrong ... but we are nevertheless happy to continue the conversation around a reasonable settlement figure because we believe he can learn a lesson about having put himself in this situation,” Gaffield wrote Feb. 19 in an email Watson’s legal team publicly released this month.

“He wanted us to bid against ourselves,” Buzbee said. “And I was done.”

Buzbee expected more accusers would come forward, he said, but even he was surprised at the flood of calls. He has five attorneys working on the cases, he said, and every client has been vetted for some proof they dealt with Watson, most of them with messages exchanged with the quarterback via Instagram.

Buzbee declined to provide any of his clients for interviews, however, and asked The Washington Post not to contact them. He praised Solis as “a warrior” for ignoring his advice to drop the case, out of concern for the duress inherent in a high-profile lawsuit involving accusations of sexual wrongdoing against someone wealthy and famous. He said Solis endured harassing comments on social media, including a few death threats, after she spoke at a news conference April 6.

Watson, as Buzbee expected, hired Hardin, the criminal defense attorney whose long list of high-profile cases includes those involving former Houston Astros pitcher Roger Clemens, former Houston Rockets Calvin Murphy and Steve Francis, and accounting firm Arthur Andersen. In his first extensive public remarks about the case last week, Hardin criticized Buzbee and his clients for engaging in a “new kind of extortion using social media and salacious innuendo.”

Buzbee laughed and mocked this defense and other remarks Hardin made last week.

“Rusty and I get along smashingly. ... He’s a fighter, he’s smart, and he’s good on his feet. … But I think he’s been dealt a bad hand here,” Buzbee said.

To Hardin’s explanation that Watson turned to Instagram to arrange massages because of the pandemic?

“Because of covid, he was reaching out to dozens of different people on Instagram? For massages? ... Because of covid, you would think he would have one person who had tested negative,” Buzbee said.

To Hardin’s argument that any sex acts that occurred in these massages with Watson were consensual?

“So you’ve just told the world who’s watching that your client paid for sex? … My grandma always said: ‘You’re digging yourself a hole already. Stop digging,’” Buzbee said.

Minutes later, Buzbee walked out of his office on the 73rd floor of the tallest building in Texas, past walls decorated with press clippings celebrating his legal career and conference rooms with door handles shaped like sharks. He joked, toward the end of the interview, that he would be willing to bet $100,000 that Watson’s managers wished they had settled with him back in February.

“This has gone pretty much the way I thought it would so far, but we’ll see where it goes from here,” he said. “I’m encouraged and optimistic.”

 

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2 hours ago, JohnnyU said:

My thinking is  he only misses a handful of games, but anything can happen.

I'm not sure he plays in ONE game this season. Civil litigations could last for 2-3 years before coming to trial - unless he settles with NDAs in the next few months the NFL will have little choice than to place him on the exempt list. I do not think he plays until this case is over one way or the other - and that's assuming there's no criminal charges levied against him.

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2 hours ago, JohnnyU said:

My thinking is  he only misses a handful of games, but anything can happen.

What’s a handful? Why would he only be suspended for 2 or 4 games? If the nfl has enough to sit him down it’s not only going to be 2 or 4 games. 

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25 minutes ago, Capella said:

What’s a handful? Why would he only be suspended for 2 or 4 games? If the nfl has enough to sit him down it’s not only going to be 2 or 4 games. 

perhaps 8, but he could never play again.  I don't think anyone really knows.  What i do know is that I would rather hold and get nothing than trade him for BS and regret it later.

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29 minutes ago, Capella said:

What’s a handful? Why would he only be suspended for 2 or 4 games? If the nfl has enough to sit him down it’s not only going to be 2 or 4 games. 

Probably but granted it's been a decade we actually have precedence of a star QB settling sexual assault claims and ultimately only being forced to miss 4 games.

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1 minute ago, menobrown said:

Probably but granted it's been a decade we actually have precedence of a star QB settling sexual assault claims and ultimately only being forced to miss 4 games.

A lot has changed since that time.

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22 minutes ago, menobrown said:

Probably but granted it's been a decade we actually have precedence of a star QB settling sexual assault claims and ultimately only being forced to miss 4 games.

Did Ben have this many potential women coming forward? I honestly don’t know. But yea, time’s have changed. 

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