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Can he play from prison? maybe star in the Longest Yard remake of the remake.
There is currently no criminal charges pending.Can he play from prison? maybe star in the Longest Yard remake of the remake.
If we are being honest, if Ray Rice were a franchise QB in his prime, and not a RB on the downside of his career, he would have absolutely resurfaced, even with the tape.Meh, I'm not saying he will for certain play again, but that's the bet I'd take today. I think you are exaggerating the alienation of women, and the PR cost. Whether political candidates or sports heroes, unless there is a Ray Rice tape out there, the page gets turned pretty quickly these days.
It would never get to that stage because the Lion's can't afford to give away a bunch of picks even if they wanted Watson.Not that it can’t happen but Washington would pretty hilarious in an ironic way given their own multiple sexual harassment and discrimination charges.
I can’t see an AFC team or NO which is so close geographically and there are tons of Saints fans living in Houston but the Texans brass are a wildcard so who knows for sure.
I “think” Watson would veto Detroit given their history of ineptitude and not being a major market team.
My guess is Hurts flames out, Danny Dimes continues to disappoint, and Carolina realizes they wasted a 2nd on Darnold and there’s a bidding war between those 3 next year after Watson serves a suspension. Miami is in the mix as well but may have to pay a premium given they are an AFC team. Given the Texans march to the beat of their own drum though, I wouldn’t be surprised at something totally off the wall in the end though.
Really the only way it would turn out OK is if he really is the savior of the team. Then people will let it slide, if the team isn't winning, even if he's playing well then I think it just lingers.based on assuming that the sheer volume here means there is some level of fire behind the smoke when this all shakes out.....I have been trying to put myself in the shoes of a fan whose team ends up acquiring this guy at some point down the road...and it just feels icky......
not sure I could get behind and support the move by my teams front office....especially if it involves first round picks....I can be "all about winning" as much as the next guy.....but I just feel I would rather see my team "pass" on this opportunity.....your QB is generally the face of your franchise.....this isn't some backup clip board carrying signing that slips under the radar and "nobody really cares".....
in terms of winning this guy immediately becomes the savior of whatever team he goes to...and you would think that would be welcomed with open arms.....but this just feels different.....all of a sudden your team becomes that team....just feels yucky and I wouldn't want a part of it even if it could get my team a few more wins.....the nature of these accusations feel different then some of the things we as sports fans have "overlooked" because of the talent....
Appearing on Aqib Talib's podcast, current Broncos DB Kareem Jackson and former teammate of Deshaun Watson said Watson told him he "wants to be" in Denver.
"I've been talking to him for the last couple weeks," Jackson said. "All he been telling me is 'that's where I want to be. I want to be in Denver.'" According to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, Watson has been getting recruited by a number of players across multiple teams, and he remains open to several options, including the Broncos. But per RapSheet, the Broncos aren't at the top of Watson's wish list. At the top of Watson's list should be clearing all the legal hurdles in front of him. Football remains on the back burner at the moment. Once he's out of hot water with the law and the league, Watson is almost surely to be traded.
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SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Jun 9, 2021, 2:17 PM ET
What about 100% chance he is playing this year? Seems more likely than him NOT playing IMO....I just want to say - Vick tortured and killed dogs, then went to jail for it, and the Eagles made him their starting qb when he got out.
Watson has a number of civil suits, not criminal, for something that most NFL owners have probably done in some form or another. I mean, Robert Kraft won a superbowl then got caught in a sting getting a happy ending. Maybe if he had Instagram we'd never have heard about it.
I'm not trying to apologize for it or say that any of this is right. It's not. It's skeevy at the very best. But there's a reason #metoo is a thing.
100% chance Watson is playing in 2022 barring injury or Hou doing something absolutely crazy stupid.
I think it's more likely than not that he doesn't play this year - or at least misses significant time. I do not see the NFL letting him play until this civil suit is either completed or settled.What about 100% chance he is playing this year? Seems more likely than him NOT playing IMO....
I agree with this. They are waiting until closer to the season to put him on the Commissioner's Exempt List to see if anything gets resolved. That's my guess.I think it's more likely than not that he doesn't play this year - or at least misses significant time. I do not see the NFL letting him play until this civil suit is either completed or settled.
I don't think they'll suspend him. I think he'll be placed on the NFL exempt list, like Adrian Peterson was and the NFL threatened would happen if a team signed Antonio Brown after his release from the Pats following sexual assault allegations.Doesn't he have to be proven guilty (he continues to maintain his innocence) for the NFL to suspend him? I mean, with Rice, Vick, there was conviction and evidence. Wouldn't this be a new precedent to suspend him without any form of proof other than he said/she said?
Don't think so. Big Ben was never convicted down he was suspended.Doesn't he have to be proven guilty (he continues to maintain his innocence) for the NFL to suspend him? I mean, with Rice, Vick, there was conviction and evidence. Wouldn't this be a new precedent to suspend him without any form of proof other than he said/she said?
Zeke Elliot as well.Don't think so. Big Ben was never convicted down he was suspended.
Steelers wont touch him. They will go with Rudolph or Haskins for a year while a rookie QB learns/watches, or they sign a bg time FA QB, they'll have the $$ to spend.If we are being honest, if Ray Rice were a franchise QB in his prime, and not a RB on the downside of his career, he would have absolutely resurfaced, even with the tape.
I'd say the chances Watson plays in 2021 are 50-50, and playing in 2022, I'd say at least 90%, unless he somehow ends up in prison, which seems very unlikely at the moment. That said, I don't see Houston keeping him, and he'll probably need to go somewhere where the HC, has a lot of clout, ala AB going with Arians/Brady. To me the top candidates would be:
Detroit-Campbell is locked in long-term and Goff isn't necessarily.
New Orleans-If Winston/Hill aren't up to the task, the Saints have proven to be an aggressive front office, and Payton is bulletproof.
Pittsburgh-Ben is likely in his final season, and Tomlin has infinite job security. Steelers also are unlikely to have a high draft pick.
Washington-Have a QB need, and a good roster. Not sure if Rivera would be on board, but zero doubt Snyder would, so can't rule them out.
Other candidates I could see are NY Giants, Philadelphia, Carolina, and Denver. But they all have potential HC uncertainty and/or likely high draft picks at the moment.
FWIW, Roethlisberger wasn't even ever charged. (Not defending him in any way, actually think that is the closest comparison to what Watson is going through. Ben's accusations were in some ways worse but DW has of course many more accusers.)Don't think so. Big Ben was never convicted down he was suspended.
That's right, so it has happened a few times. Although wasn't Zeke and Ben's suspension pretty short? A game or two?Zeke Elliot as well.
haha you’re thee best pard@BobbyLayne - new thread title for you until something of substance happens!
2 for Ben. 4 for Zeke, I believe.That's right, so it has happened a few times. Although wasn't Zeke and Ben's suspension pretty short? A game or two?
the title is a little misleading......nothing to see here
ESPN's Adam Schefter believes there is no team "better positioned" to trade for Deshaun Watson than Philadelphia.
Schefter adds that he is unsure when the Texans might finally be ready to deal Watson, and that they will surely wait for his value to regenerate following this offseason's sexual assault allegations. It is not a given that will happen, of course. ESPN's Sarah Barshop reported in May that there had been "settlement talks." It is still possible, if not probable, that teams won't exactly be clamoring to acquire a player with that on his résumé. We still have little idea if Watson is actually going to play for the Texans this year. He had thrown down the gauntlet before his legal issues arose.
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SOURCE: ESPN on Twitter
Jul 15, 2021, 3:45 PM ET
Pro Football Network's Adam Beasley reports the Dolphins "would still consider trading for" Deshaun Watson if his legal issues are resolved.
Watson is currently accused of sexual misconduct by over 20 women and both the NFL and Houston police are investigating the claims. For now, Watson should be expected to sit out the 2021 season. If his legal situation changes, he'll still need to find a resolution to his standoff with the Texans. If Miami does enter the fray, they'll likely offer Tua Tagovailoa and multiple first-round picks to cap of their monumental rebuild. Tagovailoa was a promising prospect coming out of Alabama but his rookie season raised more questions than answers. Replacing him with Watson would make the Dolphins an immediate contender in the AFC.
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SOURCE: Pro Football Network
Jul 19, 2021, 10:01 AM ET
I've agreed with this 100% until Watson. Everything about this has made my skin crawl. I don't want anything to do with him and would probably stop following the Lions if he was their quarterback. I realize that is an extreme minority opinion and don't fault those who disagree.tangfoot said:To be clear, I don't want this piece of trash anywhere near the teams I root for, but I'm going to roster him in every single one of my dynasty leagues for the right price.
Terrible people who are productive on the fantasy scoresheet are exactly as useful as saints who are productive on the fantasy scoresheet.
Not defending Watson (I pretty much agree with you, though I'll leave the door open for Watson to make an attempt at redemption) but Big Ben was accused of much worse IMO, though nothing ever went to trial. Bit of a different time these days so Watson may be punished more.I've agreed with this 100% until Watson. Everything about this has made my skin crawl. I don't want anything to do with him and would probably stop following the Lions if he was their quarterback. I realize that is an extreme minority opinion and don't fault those who disagree.
I just wanted to acknowledge that the Deshaun Watson thread received a visit from @Ron_MexicoIn a standard PPR league, I just traded Cousins and a presumptive low 2nd round pick in 2022 for Deshaun Watson. Rolling the dice with Dak, and not much behind him at QB for 2021.
I could be wrong, but hasn't he already been told by the league to stay away from organized team activities....kind of like a pre-exempt list type of maneuver...?If Watson shows up to camp, the Texans probably either have to send him home, or else it increases the pressure on them to trade him.
If he doesn't show up, then he starts accruing fines which is in the team's interest in not having to pay him that money, even if he goes on the exempt list later.
Seems to me like it would be in Watson's interest to report to camp then.
100%. If his representation is still having him sit out when fines start hitting they are doing him a massive disservice. He needs to force the Texans and/or NFL's hands and only way to do that is to report.If Watson shows up to camp, the Texans probably either have to send him home, or else it increases the pressure on them to trade him.
If he doesn't show up, then he starts accruing fines which is in the team's interest in not having to pay him that money, even if he goes on the exempt list later.
Seems to me like it would be in Watson's interest to report to camp then.
Not that I've heard. From what I saw, the news was reporting that Watson wasn't going to attend as if it was his choice and not a mandate.I could be wrong, but hasn't he already been told by the league to stay away from organized team activities....kind of like a pre-exempt list type of maneuver...?
The Texans report to training camp in a week, but it still appears obvious they will do so without quarterback Deshaun Watson.
Although not much new information has come out of the Watson camp, he reportedly still doesn’t plan on ever playing another game for the Texans and is prepared to sit. Complicating matters are the 22 civil suits filed by women who accuse him of sexual assault and harassmentduring massage sessions in 2020 and 2021.
The Texans open training camp on July 28, and they can start fining Watson $50,000 for each day of camp he misses. A more likely scenario, which was mentioned by Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer last week, is the NFL puts Watson on the commissioner's exempt list until his legal issues play out. Under that scenario, Watson would still get paid, but isn't counted as a member of the Texans' active roster. It also would save the Texans from having to fine their superstar until his off-the-field issues are settled.
“My sense is the league would probably try to kick the can down the road as long as the legal situation’s still playing out, and the way they kick the can down the road is that exempt clause," Breer said on The Dan Patrick Show. "They put the player on paid leave and they basically push pause on the whole thing."
Watson has been quiet this offseason, even mostly abstaining from social media, except for a recent resurgence on Snapchat. His likes on Twitter have raised some eyebrows, hitting the heart on a couple tweets from Texans’ character coach Dylan Thompson and liking a tweet Monday from a fan who asked him to “like this tweet if you playing this year.”
Still, there is no reporting that lends any hope to Watson ever wearing Steel Blue again.
ESPN’s Adam Schefter said last week that he thinks “the Texans have mentally and physically prepared to move on without Deshaun Watson. So, the question becomes: When do the Texans trade Deshaun Watson? Is it this summer? This season? After the season? I personally think they’ll wait until his value is restored and they don’t have to trade him off at a discount.”
That would mean the Texans bide their time and possibly wait until next offseason – when presumably the lawsuits against Watson would be behind him, one way or another – to deal their star quarterback, hoping to maximize his trade value.
The Philadelphia Eagles would make the most sense as a trade partner for Watson since they could have as many as three first-round picks in 2022, but the NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport says no deal is even being talked about yet.
“It doesn’t sound based on my knowledge that the Texans have made any move toward trading him at all,” Rapoport said Monday.
That leaves Texans fans anxiously awaiting July 28 to see what happens when the team hits the field for the first mandatory practice of the offseason, unless the NFL steps in before then with the exempt clause.
Oof, the Texans are going to die hard.