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QB Deshaun Watson, CLE (7 Viewers)
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
That's where I am...on one hand you might think the Texans are behind this but if that were true or could be proven, it would almost send the franchise into a deep dark place we've not seen publicly to this point...I wouldn't play for them if I were a professional football player and I knew they smeared Watson to make him almost untradeable...
But then why would Houston do that? it would be better in a trade if he was squeaky clean so it doesn't really make a lot of sense but then again, a last hail mary to try and keep him with the team...I think the owner wants to keep him no matter what and the front office is having a hard time keeping his wishes.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
People thought the same thing about Ravi Zacharias and it turns out that the leader of one of the largest evangelical groups in the world was most definitely doing almost the exact same thing for decades that Watson is being accused of.
He said/she said is always tough, but the more smoke there is, the more likely there is fire.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Evidently it is up to 7 lawsuits filed. The lawyer representing the women in holding a press conference today... https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/18/lawyer-handling-lawsuits-against-deshaun-watson-calls-friday-press-conference/
TMZ has a text message where Watson apologized for making a message therapist uncomfortable. This is not looking as fake as originally thought.
TMZ has a text message where Watson apologized for making a message therapist uncomfortable. This is not looking as fake as originally thought.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Your ideas make logical sense of it isn't. But the counter argument is that some idiot billionaire doesn't think the rules apply to him, he thinks can do anything he wants, and he's in a pissing match with Watson so has to win the fight. I have a bit of a hard time believing this whole thing is a ploy by the texans, but anything is possible. The whole thing is pretty weird. It also always stinks when people go the lawsuit route instead of going to the police.Ministry of Pain said:
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Its over as far as a trade goes for this year....I cant see any team trading for him unless there is a complete vindication and quick....neither seems possible
Zeke was banned for 6 games for one accusation.....9? He couild be on the commish exempt list then banned once its resolved. He is in seriously jeopardy of not playing this year regardless of his posturing - Cosby and Weinstein wound up in prison after a slew of civil suits....its possible he ends up in the same situation....what an awful situation all around.
As for the Texans - based on Watson's statement, he knew a least 1 of these lawsuits were coming - there were negotiations before that didnt result in settlement. You would have to think Houston knew about it...or maybe with the strained relationship they were out of the loop. Either way as a franchise they went from possibly losing their franchise QB but at least getting a haul back to nothing.......I think its safe to say they are on the clock for the 1st pick in 2022 draft
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Did the Texans sign Tyrod Taylor the day before this Watson news broke?
Same day, something like 5 or 6 hours before the news broke the news came out that Tyrod was signed.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Obviously they would have had a little notice so it doesn’t necessarily mean anything but does add to any kind of conspiracy theory put there.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
It seems like an odd move by Watson to not take the reported settlement opportunity if the accusations are completely true or even have enough truth to them to tarnish his image. The reported amount of settlement request (6 figures?) also seems like a fairly low amount for the kind of money Watson has and what he is accused of. Maybe that settlement part isn't accurately reported even though it came from Watson's response? These things don't always follow the logical path of course, but this seems a little odd on multiple levels.
It also seems highly unlikely the Texans would do anything like this as some have suggested, however we also know they don't like it when these "inmates" try to "run the prison" (Quotes from the owner's late father) and Watson is deep into the process of forcing his way out of town... I've also seen this lawyers connection to the Texans ownership mentioned in several places including - not sure if that is true either.
It also seems highly unlikely the Texans would do anything like this as some have suggested, however we also know they don't like it when these "inmates" try to "run the prison" (Quotes from the owner's late father) and Watson is deep into the process of forcing his way out of town... I've also seen this lawyers connection to the Texans ownership mentioned in several places including - not sure if that is true either.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
If they had any clue ahead of this before it broke, wouldn't they have just traded Watson to one of the teams begging them to take their picks? How could they NOT have had any clue as well?
Logic doesn't seem to have a seat at the table in Houston though so...
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
If they had knowledge this was going to happen and traded him to another NFL team for a killing, the McNairs would be blackballed. I mean these teams are competing against each other but the NFL is a partnership between the 32 teams.
So maybe 6 figures doesn’t sound like a lot of money to us, but if he’s guilty and knows 12 more are going to follow, then 13 x 6 figures equal a whole garden full of cabbage.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Not nearly as much as 13 judgements against him plus the legal fees? I'm no lawyer, but it seems like a settlement request amount would be calculated by some form of (estimated amount a judge would reward) x (estimated probability of judgement for plaintiff).So maybe 6 figures doesn’t sound like a lot of money to us, but if he’s guilty and knows 12 more are going to follow, then 13 x 6 figures equal a whole garden full of cabbage.
Probably doesn't make any sense trying to guess what we think people would do in certain situations but I guess speculation is what we're doing here.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Foosball God
Foos
Maybe he doesn't think he did anything wrong. Like maybe he's under the crazy assumption that massage therapists are always up to give a happy ending. Yeah maybe there are a few that are going to get touchy (hence the apology text) but by and large they're usually down with it. So he feels like this is no big deal and an accusation by one or two people will get blown over, but now the ones that were uncomfortable are all coming out of the woodwork.
Just smacks of a guy that doesn't think what he did was wrong.
Watson's agent:
https://twitter.com/DavidMulugheta/status/1372948178996105216
@DavidMulugheta
Sexual assault is real. Victims should be heard, offenders prosecuted. Individuals fabricate stories in pursuit of financial gain often. Their victims should be heard, and those offenders also prosecuted. I simply hope we keep this same energy with the truth.
https://twitter.com/DavidMulugheta/status/1372948178996105216
@DavidMulugheta
Sexual assault is real. Victims should be heard, offenders prosecuted. Individuals fabricate stories in pursuit of financial gain often. Their victims should be heard, and those offenders also prosecuted. I simply hope we keep this same energy with the truth.
zoonation
Footballguy
zoonation
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
7 or 9 different women? Holy smokes.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Fast moving story which is still developing but - so far - these are only civil lawsuits, correct?
Don't misconstrue the question to indicate my skepticism. I’m more of a “believe all women” kind of guy by default. Robert Kraft, Ravi Zacharius, et al. I’m not a criminal attorney but I imagine physical evidence / burden of proof might make criminal prosecution more difficult so maybe that’s why.
Have to wait to see how things play out. There’s a nonzero chance Deshaun Watson never plays another down on the NFL. There is also the possibility (which becomes slimmer with every new accusation) he did nothing wrong.
Crazy situation but not completely shocking either. Series of monumentally bad decisions by Watson if true. Wait and see...
Don't misconstrue the question to indicate my skepticism. I’m more of a “believe all women” kind of guy by default. Robert Kraft, Ravi Zacharius, et al. I’m not a criminal attorney but I imagine physical evidence / burden of proof might make criminal prosecution more difficult so maybe that’s why.
Have to wait to see how things play out. There’s a nonzero chance Deshaun Watson never plays another down on the NFL. There is also the possibility (which becomes slimmer with every new accusation) he did nothing wrong.
Crazy situation but not completely shocking either. Series of monumentally bad decisions by Watson if true. Wait and see...
The attorney posted about the initial lawsuit on IG and asked for additional information and from that he has been contacted by several women. Allegedly.
pantherclub
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
kittenmittens
Footballguy
This is certainly possible as well but it almost implies that Watson had no legal counsel of his own.
pantherclub
Footballguy
And they are all randomly from different places. If this was 1 maybe 2 women then spidey sense would perk up but 7-9. Come on man.
Foosball God
Foos
kittenmittens
Footballguy
If this is the case Houston really needs to take one of these offers right now. It was stupid to hold on to him before these allegations.
Dynasty teams in my leagues are selling low and he hasn't refused to play for them
Dynasty teams in my leagues are selling low and he hasn't refused to play for them
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Don't the texts change this a lot though?
The texts seem to make it impossible that this would just be some random women who don't even know Watson coming out to pile in to a lawsuit. They seem to verify that not only were at least some of these women involved with Watson, but also verify Watson admitting to the circumstances that the women said the assault took place in (namely a massage where Watson acted inappropriately).
We now know that at least 1 of the women, and soon to be more if the lawyer does have more similar texts as he claims he does, was hired to massage Watson where Watson did something that made the woman feel uncomfortable. That seems different than if there were 9 women claiming that happened and we didn't even know if any of those women had ever even massaged him.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
A gazillionaire with so much to lose hires a private massage therapist. These guys are so dumb.
An entitled ####### commits multiple sexual assaults, would be another way of stating that.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I’d be inclined to think it’s pretty damning in the past, but after hearing doctored audio released to TMZ where Tyreek supposedly admitted to beating his son I’m not really taking anything at face value anymore and will wait to let the courts/investigation figure it out.
I'm with @Buckna and will remain in the camp that prefers to let the courts play this out. I got thoughts, but I'm not rushing to any judgements one way or the other.
Now I will speculate on football matters. Watson won't ever play for Houston again. You don't pay Tyrod $5M+ to backup Watson when your team is not a contender and you don't see a lot of teams with a QB1 like Watson and $5m+ committed to a backup trade for Finley to be your #3QB.
Now I will speculate on football matters. Watson won't ever play for Houston again. You don't pay Tyrod $5M+ to backup Watson when your team is not a contender and you don't see a lot of teams with a QB1 like Watson and $5m+ committed to a backup trade for Finley to be your #3QB.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
I don't know - the texts we have seen are very circumstantial but I think your point is that they tie Watson directly to the victims.
It seems like the best case scenario is Watson asks for "weird" stuff in his massages (glutes and groin) that makes masseuses feel uncomfortable and a lawyer with an agenda in addition to the normal motivation found this an excellent angle to pursue a payout while helping Houston win the PR battle.
Obviously it's best to just let this play out before commenting, but trying to read the situation to make the proper gambles in fantasy seems prudent at the same time.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Lawyer just alleged that AFTER Watson was notified of the allegations, Watson did it again.
What.
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