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3 hours ago, ghostguy123 said:

This is exactly right.  How often do we hear about NBA and MLB players doing stuff compared to the NFL?  Barely at all.   Every time someone in the NFL gets a parking ticket there is a rotoworld blurb, a mention on sports center, and 100 posts here to figure out if its suspension worthy.   He drew attention to it, and the media took it to an unexpectedly high level of even more attention.  

Did he even clean up the behavior?  

This, for sure.  

Hey Goodell - if you don't test for Marijuana and announce failed tests then players won't give the league a "bad name."  The only reason everyone knows many NFL players smoke is because they fail drugs tests. 

It's amazing that they can't think with that much nuance. 

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3 hours ago, ffmail4me said:

But you'd have to have consent from the client to record a session, and I'm pretty sure you'd get felony charges if you recorded it without their knowledge or consent. 

Depends on the state. Texas is a 1 party consent state. 

Edit:  one party consent.... FOR RECORDING. 

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10 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

Anyone else wondering if that packet of evidence ever made it to the Houston PD or County Sheriff? 

It's been pretty quiet on that front. 

it's been quiet for almost 2 days now. my wild baseless speculation is the cops to buzbee to shut up while they investigate

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You can never trust anything ESPN runs across the screen but I thought I saw briefly where they had big words on the screen indicating that the Houston Texans wanted to trade Watson but now are feeling like they need to hold on until they get thru these lawsuits. 

-It also would be a wonderful time for a team that was going to make a strong pitch anyways for Watson to follow thru immediately...it sounded like Houston was sour grapes because of the lawsuits perhaps impacting his trade value but I believe they are also encouraging teams to come right at them for Watson. "If you want to give us that outlandish trade offer still we will read any and all offers" 

The tune a few weeks ago was they weren't even answering the phones for Watson inquiries. That has changed drastically in the last week or two. 

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On 3/24/2021 at 1:36 PM, Soulfly3 said:

In general...

Civil v Criminal

One is a payday. One sees the individual potentially face just freedom-restricting consequences for law breaking activity. 

If this guy is an actual sexual menace, how and why would this not be criminal and why would anyone not want him behind bars for it?

I don't get it. How is this ONLY civil?

 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

You can never trust anything ESPN runs across the screen but I thought I saw briefly where they had big words on the screen indicating that the Houston Texans wanted to trade Watson but now are feeling like they need to hold on until they get thru these lawsuits. 

-It also would be a wonderful time for a team that was going to make a strong pitch anyways for Watson to follow thru immediately...it sounded like Houston was sour grapes because of the lawsuits perhaps impacting his trade value but I believe they are also encouraging teams to come right at them for Watson. "If you want to give us that outlandish trade offer still we will read any and all offers" 

The tune a few weeks ago was they weren't even answering the phones for Watson inquiries. That has changed drastically in the last week or two. 

Evidently at least one victim is now pursuing criminal charges. So I will stand on side of waiting. 

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1 hour ago, Ministry of Pain said:

The tune a few weeks ago was they weren't even answering the phones for Watson inquiries. That has changed drastically in the last week or two. 

You’re skipping the week-ish before this poop-show all exploded where team sources & said they “expected” to trade Watson. 

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Do we really think that any team at this point is going to actually trade for this dude.....the answer is no IMO.  Especially for the capital it would require. 

Seriously would you if you were your favorite teams GM?

No way you roll the dice with so many logs on the fire. He is good but he isn’t worth the risk. PR nightmare even if this by some miracle works out “in his favor”.... I get the innocent until proven guilty thing but IMO the damage has been done. 

And I get the “if he can help us win there will always be a job” thing but this feels different.

IMO the only way he sees another snap is if everything by all the women was completely fabricated and it was all a master plan....and it just doesn’t feel like that with so many involved...

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26 minutes ago, Stinkin Ref said:

Do we really think that any team at this point is going to actually trade for this dude.....the answer is no IMO.  Especially for the capital it would require. 

Seriously would you if you were your favorite teams GM?

No way you roll the dice with so many logs on the fire. He is good but he isn’t worth the risk. PR nightmare even if this by some miracle works out “in his favor”.... I get the innocent until proven guilty thing but IMO the damage has been done. 

And I get the “if he can help us win there will always be a job” thing but this feels different.

IMO the only way he sees another snap is if everything by all the women was completely fabricated and it was all a master plan....and it just doesn’t feel like that with so many involved...

Good take. 

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8 hours ago, Stinkin Ref said:

IMO the only way he sees another snap is if everything by all the women was completely fabricated and it was all a master plan....and it just doesn’t feel like that with so many involved...

if he avoids a criminal conviction or even if he gets a conviction on some lesser charge that avoids jail time he's definitely going to play again in the NFL. he's 26 and is an ELITE NFL qb.

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24 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

That was entirely predictable. 

Buzbee is full of hot air.  That doesn't mean his clients are not telling the truth, but to the layperson it doesn't look like their a lawyer is handling this in a way that increases credibility. 

 

buzbee said earlier this week that the evidence would be submitted hopefully by today. 

edit: buzbee said he'd issue another statement by today

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1 minute ago, iamkoza said:

buzbee said earlier this week that the evidence would be submitted hopefully by today. 

Huh, last week he said a packet would be with Houston PD by Monday, the Monday that was 4 days ago.

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1 minute ago, menobrown said:

Huh, last week he said a packet would be with Houston PD by Monday, the Monday that was 4 days ago.

 

looks like i misremembered his rebuttal to rusty hardin earlier this week.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/24/tony-buzbee-responds-to-statement-from-rusty-hardin-on-deshaun-watson/

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“My second reaction is a question: why would his marketing agent admit Watson had sex for pay with a massage therapist, consensual or otherwise? We will also provide a copy of the non-disclosure agreement that Deshaun Watson and his marketing manager repeatedly insisted that Jane Doe (and others) sign after (and sometimes before) the ‘massage session,’ which she refused to sign. I do appreciate Mr. Hardin’s professionalism and his words of support for victims, but would respectfully suggest there are many facts here, that we will put in public filings, that Mr. Hardin might not be aware of. We will provide additional details in a statement, consistent with our ethical obligations in due course. I’m hoping we can do so by Friday.”

 

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12 hours ago, Ministry of Pain said:

You can never trust anything ESPN runs across the screen but I thought I saw briefly where they had big words on the screen indicating that the Houston Texans wanted to trade Watson but now are feeling like they need to hold on until they get thru these lawsuits. 

-It also would be a wonderful time for a team that was going to make a strong pitch anyways for Watson to follow thru immediately...it sounded like Houston was sour grapes because of the lawsuits perhaps impacting his trade value but I believe they are also encouraging teams to come right at them for Watson. "If you want to give us that outlandish trade offer still we will read any and all offers" 

The tune a few weeks ago was they weren't even answering the phones for Watson inquiries. That has changed drastically in the last week or two. 

Now is the time on sprockets when we LOL TEXANS for not taking the 4 1sts offers

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4 minutes ago, iamkoza said:

 

looks like i misremembered his rebuttal to rusty hardin earlier this week.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/24/tony-buzbee-responds-to-statement-from-rusty-hardin-on-deshaun-watson/

 

Thanks I did not think you were relaying inaccurate info, I was just pointing out that he said the same thing last week. This guy has quickly evolved into "I'll believe it when I see it" status.

 

This article was from last week:

https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/deshaun-watson-lawsuits-attorney-tony-buzbee-affidavits-evidence-houston-police-harris-county-district-attorney/285-cf23fbdc-c0d0-4940-a7ac-cb76c45f8a35

HOUSTON — The attorney representing the women accusing Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson of civil or sexual assault said Saturday he plans to submit affidavits and evidence to Houston authorities next week.

Attorney Tony Buzbee said his team plans to submit the documents to the Houston Police Department and the Harris County District Attorney on Monday morning. Buzbee said he also plans to request a grand jury consider the evidence provided.

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This sounds so much like the opening saga of when girls do porn was exposed. From one person that came forward, to a host of women, to terrible allegations. Started as a civil action and then became criminal. 

Watson flew some of these women in. I'm curious how close his actions, if proven, come to sex trafficking. 

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2 hours ago, pantherclub said:

Such an odd take

what's odd? Wasnt buzbee supposed to deliver the docs to the police 5 days ago? (Monday)

His own words, by the way. 

So, what about the take is odd, exactly?

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8 minutes ago, SeniorVBDStudent said:

The continuum of opinions from absolute guilt to absolute innocence is pretty interesting.

Read the Reddit thread.  I don’t see much middle ground.  

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1 minute ago, menobrown said:

Meh, you read nothing but the lawsuits of course it's not looking good.

I am struggling to find a plausible explanation for what I've read that doesn't paint Watson in a really bad way.

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3 minutes ago, kutta said:

I am struggling to find a plausible explanation for what I've read that doesn't paint Watson in a really bad way.

Which is a fairly typical reaction most would have if they just read one side of a lawsuit.

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3 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

then he should be criminally charged. 

and, by extrapolation, plantiff's counsel should be submitting documents to law enforcement....as they said they would last week....and as they said they would this week....yet this action has yet to be taken.  curious.

 

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NDA he asked his massage therapists to sign is out.  

You know, as you do.  

Edit:  Watson’s camp will be able to spin the NDA and, on its own, not much turns on it.  But in the bigger picture it does not look good.  

Watson’s team is really going to have to carefully thread the needle to put together a remotely believable defence.  

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20 minutes ago, menobrown said:

Which is a fairly typical reaction most would have if they just read one side of a lawsuit.

Not necessarily. It's usually not too hard to imagine what the other side will say in their defense. I'm not coming up with anything that makes sense.

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2 minutes ago, bigmarc27 said:

A blank NDA.  Woah, case cracked wide open. 

So you’re going with they are fabricating evidence?  There is an entire story about it.  I agree it is boiler plate junk.  Precisely the sort of thing Watson himself would pull off the internet and ignorantly believe protected him. 

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