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^^^ just gonna throw this out there, but I dont see anyone talking about the story anymore... it's gone past expiry in society's short attention spans.

this forum is legitimately the only place I still see the thread bumped here and there

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41 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

^^^ just gonna throw this out there, but I dont see anyone talking about the story anymore... it's gone past expiry in society's short attention spans.

this forum is legitimately the only place I still see the thread bumped here and there

Agreed. But we all know how fickle the media is.  As soon as something happens it’ll be headlines again.  I don’t see how Houston could actual trade him without this story instantly popping back up into major news stories.  

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10 hours ago, osubuckeyeman said:

I don't think so.  A settlement would be looked at as an admission of guilt. The amount of press and attention this situation has received as it should garner a punishment from the NFL. The sheer volume of cases will be hard to overcome. If there is no settlement? Have to think the exempt list is where he is headed. As someone said it's going to be much easier to do that than have to deal with the public out cry. 

Settlement: 6-8 games seems about right. 

No settlement: Roger's list. 

You're probably right in this case, but it's ridiculous for a league to punish a player simply because there's been a large amount of press and attention. 

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27 minutes ago, -OZ- said:

You're probably right in this case, but it's ridiculous for a league to punish a player simply because there's been a large amount of press and attention. 

I mean... This was sarcasm right?

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I was just petting my dog Rocky’s back on the couch & he did this lowkey casual stretch, roll-over move, & his junk briefly touched my hand & I realized that was probably Watson’s go-to move and now I’m worried that my dog will never play in the NFL again. 🥺

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10 hours ago, -OZ- said:

You're probably right in this case, but it's ridiculous for a league to punish a player simply because there's been a large amount of press and attention. 

It has a lot to due with the brand and money.  The NFL is a product being consumed by consumers and the power of the mighty dollar is as important as ever and maybe even more now. I don't particularly agree with it but it's a billion dollar business. I'm not 100 percent sure how I feel about Watson.  If he settles and the women in the case are satisfied with the outcome is this enough? Or the fact that 22 women came out and said that Watson borderline in some way was abusive to them and caused mental anguish to them which could take years to recover from them. I understand it's a case by case situation but that's what is on the table. Should he be punished by the NFL?  I have to think yes.  I have mixed feelings on the subject based on my beliefs never to judge anyone and give the evidence a good looking into before deciding. We will never know the evidence if he settles. It's a tough case for sure. I go back and forth on the subject.

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15 hours ago, wgoldsph said:

I mean... This was sarcasm right?

Only if you think due process and individual rights are a joke and don't think anyone has ever been falsely accused :shrug:

5 hours ago, osubuckeyeman said:

It has a lot to due with the brand and money.  The NFL is a product being consumed by consumers and the power of the mighty dollar is as important as ever and maybe even more now. I don't particularly agree with it but it's a billion dollar business. I'm not 100 percent sure how I feel about Watson.  If he settles and the women in the case are satisfied with the outcome is this enough? Or the fact that 22 women came out and said that Watson borderline in some way was abusive to them and caused mental anguish to them which could take years to recover from them. I understand it's a case by case situation but that's what is on the table. Should he be punished by the NFL?  I have to think yes.  I have mixed feelings on the subject based on my beliefs never to judge anyone and give the evidence a good looking into before deciding. We will never know the evidence if he settles. It's a tough case for sure. I go back and forth on the subject.

If there's any indication of guilt here, including a settlement (which doesn't equal guilt but at least there some basis to believe he did something here), I think he'll be suspended.

Without a settlement or decision indicating he's responsible for harm :shrug: I wouldn't discipline people for accusations. 

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13 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I was just petting my dog Rocky’s back on the couch & he did this lowkey casual stretch, roll-over move, & his junk briefly touched my hand & I realized that was probably Watson’s go-to move and now I’m worried that my dog will never play in the NFL again. 🥺

Dear Sir,

Rocky has been using that move for years. In fact, after you scolded him he even used it again on another. He now is willing to settle this case. He won’t chew your shoes. He will go to the vet without incident from now on. He will submit to a bath willfully for once a month. And he won’t terrorize the mailmen nor the neighbors nosy cat. Deal? 
 

Regards,

Rocky’s council

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6 hours ago, -OZ- said:

Only if you think due process and individual rights are a joke and don't think anyone has ever been falsely accused :shrug:

If there's any indication of guilt here, including a settlement (which doesn't equal guilt but at least there some basis to believe he did something here), I think he'll be suspended.

Without a settlement or decision indicating he's responsible for harm :shrug: I wouldn't discipline people for accusations. 

Zeke? He was suspended 6 games without being charged.

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16 minutes ago, osubuckeyeman said:

Zeke? He was suspended 6 games without being charged.

There's definitely a lower level of proof for the NFL than criminal court.  I think the NFL uses "sufficient credible evidence".  Which is a better way of saying what I did - any indication of guilt.  

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2 minutes ago, -OZ- said:

There's definitely a lower level of proof for the NFL than criminal court.  I think the NFL uses "sufficient credible evidence".  Which is a better way of saying what I did - any indication of guilt.  

I think if you suspend Zeke for 6 games there is no way you can not suspend Watson for the same or more.  He has 22 cases pending in civil court right now.  

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14 minutes ago, osubuckeyeman said:

I think if you suspend Zeke for 6 games there is no way you can not suspend Watson for the same or more.  He has 22 cases pending in civil court right now.  

It seems incredibly likely that they do. 

I'm just saying I haven't seen the evidence, and while multiple complaints sure makes it look like he committed the bad acts, accusations alone shouldn't mean punishment. That comment isn't intended for this case specifically but as a general comment that bad press by itself shouldn't lead to discipline, with regards to your earlier comment "The amount of press and attention this situation has received as it should garner a punishment from the NFL" in hindsight you may have meant that in conjunction with a settlement, in which case we agree. 

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On 5/30/2021 at 10:19 AM, Soulfly3 said:

^^^ just gonna throw this out there, but I dont see anyone talking about the story anymore... it's gone past expiry in society's short attention spans.

Are you talking mainstream news? Or sports news specifically? As far as society is concerned, I think people are way more concerned with things like this then what's going on with a bunch of multi-millionaires playing a game. If you are talking strictly sports society, then ok, it probably is odd.

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8 hours ago, DallasDMac said:

Are you talking mainstream news? Or sports news specifically? As far as society is concerned, I think people are way more concerned with things like this then what's going on with a bunch of multi-millionaires playing a game. If you are talking strictly sports society, then ok, it probably is odd.

both. but mostly within sport circles... the story has gone cold/dead. no one "cares" anymore. 

even when this thread is bumped, it's just a bunch of bullcaca or opinion w no pull

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1 hour ago, Soulfly3 said:

both. but mostly within sport circles... the story has gone cold/dead. no one "cares" anymore. 

even when this thread is bumped, it's just a bunch of bullcaca or opinion w no pull

There isn't anything of substance being bumped.  🤷‍♂️

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4 hours ago, Soulfly3 said:

both. but mostly within sport circles... the story has gone cold/dead. no one "cares" anymore. 

even when this thread is bumped, it's just a bunch of bullcaca or opinion w no pull

It could be "cold" because there's been no new information recently - its not like people will just forget that Watson was accused of multiple bad acts toward women in August if he decided to show up to camp.

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On 5/31/2021 at 2:13 PM, -OZ- said:

Only if you think due process and individual rights are a joke and don't think anyone has ever been falsely accused :shrug:

If there's any indication of guilt here, including a settlement (which doesn't equal guilt but at least there some basis to believe he did something here), I think he'll be suspended.

Without a settlement or decision indicating he's responsible for harm :shrug: I wouldn't discipline people for accusations. 

Ray Rice got two games for beating his (then) girlfriend.  Once the media got a hold of the story his ban became indefinite.  Afterwards a giant kicker beat his wife during the probowl to the point that she had to be hidden from him while they were in Hawaii, but he never was punished (as far as I remember, could be wrong) cause who cares?

The NFL doesn't care about the act itself, just public perception.  It's the way its always been.

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19 hours ago, -OZ- said:

It seems incredibly likely that they do. 

I'm just saying I haven't seen the evidence, and while multiple complaints sure makes it look like he committed the bad acts, accusations alone shouldn't mean punishment. That comment isn't intended for this case specifically but as a general comment that bad press by itself shouldn't lead to discipline, with regards to your earlier comment "The amount of press and attention this situation has received as it should garner a punishment from the NFL" in hindsight you may have meant that in conjunction with a settlement, in which case we agree. 

If he does not settle and the cases are still pending into the season I don't believe he plays. Do I agree? Yes. I don't think you can have this many cases over your head and play. I think there is one criminal complaint as well but whether they deem the evidence enough to file charges seems to be unlikely. It will be better for the NFL to place him on the exempt list and let Houston continue to pay Watson till this is all settled. The risk for the NFL would be if something else is out there unknown and you did not take action while you could have then holy lighting will rain down. Just stating in my opinion this would be the best option for all parties except the Texans.

There are many cases of people being suspended from their place of employment with and without pay while an investigation is on going.  The NFL is clearly investigating this situation.  The continued no one in the public cares and this has gone cold except here in this forum seems like wishful thinking at best. 

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19 hours ago, -OZ- said:

I'm just saying I haven't seen the evidence,

If what has been made public is credible, it seems like there's enough evidence already to raise a doubt as to what's gone on.  As I understand it that includes:

* Deshaun reaching out to upwards of 41 women on Instagram for massage in the last year or two (18 of whom were made public by his defense). For massages he could have got from the team for free. During a pandemic when you'd think finding someone you trust and sticking with them would be even more the norm. One of whom he flew from Atlanta to Houston for it.

* Some of the women do not do massages professionally, raising the question, based on what did Watson pick them to solicit a massage from if not experience in massage therapy?

* Corroborating messages sent to others from at least some of the plaintiffs at the time of their encounter with him that something upsetting happened during the massages. 

* Messages (from a masseuse that Watson's attorney put forward as one of his character witnesses, of all people) warning another masseuse that Watson was getting a reputation and she'd stopped working with him.

 

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Houston?   What are the chances he plays ever again.   I say 0.2%.

 

NFL owners care about $$$, and alienating all the women fans of your team doesnt equate to $$$.

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39 minutes ago, steelcityman said:

Houston?   What are the chances he plays ever again.   I say 0.2%.

 

NFL owners care about $$$, and alienating all the women fans of your team doesnt equate to $$$.

Michael Vick, Ray Lewis, Adrian Peterson, Kareem Hunt - just a short list......Watson will play again.  Maybe not in 2021 or with the Texans but he will play again.  

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49 minutes ago, steelcityman said:

Houston?   What are the chances he plays ever again.   I say 0.2%.

 

NFL owners care about $$$, and alienating all the women fans of your team doesnt equate to $$$.

Meh, I'm not saying he will for certain play again, but that's the bet I'd take today. I think you are exaggerating the alienation of women, and the PR cost. Whether political candidates or sports heroes, unless there is a Ray Rice tape out there, the page gets turned pretty quickly these days.

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49 minutes ago, steelcityman said:

Houston?   What are the chances he plays ever again.   I say 0.2%.

We've seen this movie before - his chances of NEVER playing again is closer .2% than his chance of ever playing again.

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8 hours ago, BigJim® said:

Meh, I'm not saying he will for certain play again, but that's the bet I'd take today. I think you are exaggerating the alienation of women, and the PR cost. Whether political candidates or sports heroes, unless there is a Ray Rice tape out there, the page gets turned pretty quickly these days.

If we are being honest, if Ray Rice were a franchise QB in his prime, and not a RB on the downside of his career, he would have absolutely resurfaced, even with the tape.

I'd say the chances Watson plays in 2021 are 50-50, and playing in 2022, I'd say at least 90%, unless he somehow ends up in prison, which seems very unlikely at the moment. That said, I don't see Houston keeping him, and he'll probably need to go somewhere where the HC, has a lot of clout, ala AB going with Arians/Brady. To me the top candidates would be:

Detroit-Campbell is locked in long-term and Goff isn't necessarily.

New Orleans-If Winston/Hill aren't up to the task, the Saints have proven to be an aggressive front office, and Payton is bulletproof.

Pittsburgh-Ben is likely in his final season, and Tomlin has infinite job security. Steelers also are unlikely to have a high draft pick.

Washington-Have a QB need, and a good roster. Not sure if Rivera would be on board, but zero doubt Snyder would, so can't rule them out.

Other candidates I could see are NY Giants, Philadelphia, Carolina, and Denver. But they all have potential HC uncertainty and/or likely high draft picks at the moment.

 

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Not that it can’t happen but Washington would pretty hilarious in an ironic way given their own multiple sexual harassment and discrimination charges.

I can’t see an AFC team or NO which is so close geographically and there are tons of Saints fans living in Houston but the Texans brass are a wildcard so who knows for sure.

I “think” Watson would veto Detroit given their history of ineptitude and not being a major market team.


My guess is Hurts flames out, Danny Dimes continues to disappoint, and Carolina realizes they wasted a 2nd on Darnold and there’s a bidding war between those 3 next year after Watson serves a suspension. Miami is in the mix as well but may have to pay a premium given they are an AFC team. Given the Texans march to the beat of their own drum though, I wouldn’t be surprised at something totally off the wall in the end though.

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36 minutes ago, Buckna said:

Not that it can’t happen but Washington would pretty hilarious in an ironic way given their own multiple sexual harassment and discrimination charges.

I can’t see an AFC team or NO which is so close geographically and there are tons of Saints fans living in Houston but the Texans brass are a wildcard so who knows for sure.

I “think” Watson would veto Detroit given their history of ineptitude and not being a major market team.


My guess is Hurts flames out, Danny Dimes continues to disappoint, and Carolina realizes they wasted a 2nd on Darnold and there’s a bidding war between those 3 next year after Watson serves a suspension. Miami is in the mix as well but may have to pay a premium given they are an AFC team. Given the Texans march to the beat of their own drum though, I wouldn’t be surprised at something totally off the wall in the end though.

It would never get to that stage because the Lion's can't afford to give away a bunch of picks even if they wanted Watson.

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Also, don't undervalue the NFL's love for redemption stories. Even if Watson settles or has some degree of culpability, he'll throw himself into community work as he was known for in Houston and the NFL PR will go into overdrive on the redemption story. He won't play again in Houston, but he'll get back on the field soon enough.

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based on assuming that the sheer volume here means there is some level of fire behind the smoke when this all shakes out.....I have been trying to put myself in the shoes of a fan whose team ends up acquiring this guy at some point down the road...and it just feels icky......

not sure I could get behind and support the move by my teams front office....especially if it involves first round picks....I can be "all about winning" as much as the next guy.....but I just feel I would rather see my team "pass" on this opportunity.....your QB is generally the face of your franchise.....this isn't some backup clip board carrying signing that slips under the radar and "nobody really cares".....

in terms of winning this guy immediately becomes the savior of whatever team he goes to...and you would think that would be welcomed with open arms.....but this just feels different.....all of a sudden your team becomes that team....just feels yucky and I wouldn't want a part of it even if it could get my team a few more wins.....the nature of these accusations feel different then some of the things we as sports fans have "overlooked" because of the talent.... 

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14 minutes ago, Stinkin Ref said:

based on assuming that the sheer volume here means there is some level of fire behind the smoke when this all shakes out.....I have been trying to put myself in the shoes of a fan whose team ends up acquiring this guy at some point down the road...and it just feels icky......

not sure I could get behind and support the move by my teams front office....especially if it involves first round picks....I can be "all about winning" as much as the next guy.....but I just feel I would rather see my team "pass" on this opportunity.....your QB is generally the face of your franchise.....this isn't some backup clip board carrying signing that slips under the radar and "nobody really cares".....

in terms of winning this guy immediately becomes the savior of whatever team he goes to...and you would think that would be welcomed with open arms.....but this just feels different.....all of a sudden your team becomes that team....just feels yucky and I wouldn't want a part of it even if it could get my team a few more wins.....the nature of these accusations feel different then some of the things we as sports fans have "overlooked" because of the talent.... 

Really the only way it would turn out OK is if he really is the savior of the team.  Then people will let it slide, if the team isn't winning, even if he's playing well then I think it just lingers.

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Appearing on Aqib Talib's podcast, current Broncos DB Kareem Jackson and former teammate of Deshaun Watson said Watson told him he "wants to be" in Denver.

"I've been talking to him for the last couple weeks," Jackson said. "All he been telling me is 'that's where I want to be. I want to be in Denver.'" According to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, Watson has been getting recruited by a number of players across multiple teams, and he remains open to several options, including the Broncos. But per RapSheet, the Broncos aren't at the top of Watson's wish list. At the top of Watson's list should be clearing all the legal hurdles in front of him. Football remains on the back burner at the moment. Once he's out of hot water with the law and the league, Watson is almost surely to be traded.

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I just want to say - Vick tortured and killed dogs, then went to jail for it, and the Eagles made him their starting qb when he got out.

Watson has a number of civil suits, not criminal, for something that most NFL owners have probably done in some form or another.  I mean, Robert Kraft won a superbowl then got caught in a sting getting a happy ending.  Maybe if he had Instagram we'd never have heard about it.

I'm not trying to apologize for it or say that any of this is right.  It's not.  It's skeevy at the very best.  But there's a reason #metoo is a thing.

100% chance Watson is playing in 2022 barring injury or Hou doing something absolutely crazy stupid.

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5 hours ago, wgoldsph said:

I just want to say - Vick tortured and killed dogs, then went to jail for it, and the Eagles made him their starting qb when he got out.

Watson has a number of civil suits, not criminal, for something that most NFL owners have probably done in some form or another.  I mean, Robert Kraft won a superbowl then got caught in a sting getting a happy ending.  Maybe if he had Instagram we'd never have heard about it.

I'm not trying to apologize for it or say that any of this is right.  It's not.  It's skeevy at the very best.  But there's a reason #metoo is a thing.

100% chance Watson is playing in 2022 barring injury or Hou doing something absolutely crazy stupid.

What about 100% chance he is playing this year? Seems more likely than him NOT playing IMO....

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12 hours ago, ffmail4me said:

What about 100% chance he is playing this year? Seems more likely than him NOT playing IMO....

I think it's more likely than not that he doesn't play this year - or at least misses significant time. I do not see the NFL letting him play until this civil suit is either completed or settled.

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7 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I think it's more likely than not that he doesn't play this year - or at least misses significant time. I do not see the NFL letting him play until this civil suit is either completed or settled.

I agree with this. They are waiting until closer to the season to put him on the Commissioner's Exempt List to see if anything gets resolved. That's my guess.

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Doesn't he have to be proven guilty (he continues to maintain his innocence) for the NFL to suspend him? I mean, with Rice, Vick, there was conviction and evidence. Wouldn't this be a new precedent to suspend him without any form of proof other than he said/she said? 

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2 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

Doesn't he have to be proven guilty (he continues to maintain his innocence) for the NFL to suspend him? I mean, with Rice, Vick, there was conviction and evidence. Wouldn't this be a new precedent to suspend him without any form of proof other than he said/she said? 

I don't think they'll suspend him. I think he'll be placed on the NFL exempt list, like Adrian Peterson was and the NFL threatened would happen if a team signed Antonio Brown after his release from the Pats following sexual assault allegations.

He would still get paid so it's a fairly toothless "punishment". 

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4 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

Doesn't he have to be proven guilty (he continues to maintain his innocence) for the NFL to suspend him? I mean, with Rice, Vick, there was conviction and evidence. Wouldn't this be a new precedent to suspend him without any form of proof other than he said/she said? 

Don't think so. Big Ben was never convicted down he was suspended.

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On 6/8/2021 at 7:36 PM, travdogg said:

If we are being honest, if Ray Rice were a franchise QB in his prime, and not a RB on the downside of his career, he would have absolutely resurfaced, even with the tape.

I'd say the chances Watson plays in 2021 are 50-50, and playing in 2022, I'd say at least 90%, unless he somehow ends up in prison, which seems very unlikely at the moment. That said, I don't see Houston keeping him, and he'll probably need to go somewhere where the HC, has a lot of clout, ala AB going with Arians/Brady. To me the top candidates would be:

Detroit-Campbell is locked in long-term and Goff isn't necessarily.

New Orleans-If Winston/Hill aren't up to the task, the Saints have proven to be an aggressive front office, and Payton is bulletproof.

Pittsburgh-Ben is likely in his final season, and Tomlin has infinite job security. Steelers also are unlikely to have a high draft pick.

Washington-Have a QB need, and a good roster. Not sure if Rivera would be on board, but zero doubt Snyder would, so can't rule them out.

Other candidates I could see are NY Giants, Philadelphia, Carolina, and Denver. But they all have potential HC uncertainty and/or likely high draft picks at the moment.

 

Steelers wont touch him.   They will go with Rudolph or Haskins for a year while a rookie QB learns/watches, or they sign a bg time FA QB, they'll have the $$ to spend.

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2 hours ago, foxco said:

Don't think so. Big Ben was never convicted down he was suspended.

FWIW, Roethlisberger wasn't even ever charged.  (Not defending him in any way, actually think that is the closest comparison to what Watson is going through.  Ben's accusations were in some ways worse but DW has of course many more accusers.)

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