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TE O.J. Howard, Raiders (4 Viewers)
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Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Not just struggling tonight but invisible.
Buy low or stay away?
Buy low or stay away?
McBokonon
Footballguy
The Arians doesn’t use TE’s thing might be more true than I gave it credit for. And Brate seems to be the security blanket.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I knew I shouldn't have bought the hype on this guy, knowing how much Arians hates throwing to tight ends.
McBokonon
Footballguy
NajehHejan
Footballguy
He’s dead to me. On the bench until he has two blowup games. Argh.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
sell low while you can sell at all
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Lot of draft capital for a goose eggHe was one of my heavy targetted players. I'm about to flip my desk over because this is some bs. I hate myself and all my competitive teams that I'm stuck with only OJ Howard (most of which are TE premium).
I could have taken Olsen as a 15th round streamer / free
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6-110
rockaction
Footballguy
I read the offseason threads warning me about this. Then I remembered Arians in Pittsburgh.
I drafted Waller, Hockenson, and Herndon in my leegs. No draft capital whatsoever.
And I'm an amateur player at best.
I hate investing in TEs.
I drafted Waller, Hockenson, and Herndon in my leegs. No draft capital whatsoever.
And I'm an amateur player at best.
I hate investing in TEs.
I was targeting him to but missed. Arians runs a pretty complicated offense. It may take a few games for them to really get going. It's bizarre the lack of targets but he is too talented for this not to change at some point. I know their offensive line has been an issue so I'm wondering if they are keeping him in to block more.He was one of my heavy targetted players. I'm about to flip my desk over because this is some bs
Nucker101
Footballguy
Not only does Arians not use TE's properly, to make matters worse, Winston seems to prefer throwing to Brate anyway.
He's basically going to be TD reliant because the yards and receptions will be very low. It's got to be incredible frustrating for those that are stuck with him. But I think he'll be a nice buy low in dynasty after this year.
He's basically going to be TD reliant because the yards and receptions will be very low. It's got to be incredible frustrating for those that are stuck with him. But I think he'll be a nice buy low in dynasty after this year.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
He blocked really well. They are using his talents to shore up the O Line. Brate is getting paid a ton of money because he is a really good receiver.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Looked like Olsen took a good shot to the face. At one point his nose was bleeding profusely.
-OZ-
Footballguy
That's precisely the problem.
OJ is one of the best all around players in the league. But we don't get credit for the things Arians wants him to do.
BigBlue_RI
Footballguy
I picked this bum because time was running out in my pick. Guy swiped Engram right before my turn. Was a coin flip between Henry and Howard as I planned on going TE that round. Guess it didn’t matter. Good news is folks he plays my Giants next week, who haven’t been able to stop TE’s for a several years. One last shot I guess, but time to consider adding a backup for emergency depth.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
I hate that FBG had this guy ranked so high. In rankings and cheat sheets they actually had him ranked above Engram which is just silly. Lucky I didn’t take him before Engram in any league, but that was a bad call by fbg staff.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Thanks for nothing OJ and I do mean NOTHING
Wow. Goose egg. Not only in points but targets.
Didn't see this coming. Thought I was in set it and forget it mode with OJ and now have to scramble.
No way in hell I'm dropping. Have a feeling they'll figure this out, but it may take a bit.
Slim pickins on the wire. I see the likes of Goedert, Fant, Eifert, Witten. Couple weeks away from B. Watson getting off suspension.
Probably could swing a trade. Lot of teams early in the season still have the backup TE they drafted, but those TEs aren't much better than what's on the wire.
What would really solve all our problems is this: TB trades OJ Howard to the New England Patriots for a 4th round pick.
Didn't see this coming. Thought I was in set it and forget it mode with OJ and now have to scramble.
No way in hell I'm dropping. Have a feeling they'll figure this out, but it may take a bit.
Slim pickins on the wire. I see the likes of Goedert, Fant, Eifert, Witten. Couple weeks away from B. Watson getting off suspension.
Probably could swing a trade. Lot of teams early in the season still have the backup TE they drafted, but those TEs aren't much better than what's on the wire.
What would really solve all our problems is this: TB trades OJ Howard to the New England Patriots for a 4th round pick.
zamboni
Footballguy
The counterargument is that Arians never had a TE with the talent that Howard does. But it seems like it is a system thing with Bruce, and he likes his TEs to spend most of their time on the line blocking to help get the ball to the WRs. Perhaps if they didn't have as good of a second receiver as Godwin is, then maybe Howard would be running more routes. But obviously that isn't the case - at least not yet.
rockaction
Footballguy
O.J. is a real first rounder just a few years ago. I know you're kidding, but no way. That can't happen here, can it?
BigBlue_RI
Footballguy
I’m thinking of grabbing Chris Herndon after week 3 as he’s back in week 5 or 6 from suspension. Thing is, who do I drop? I got OJ in the 7th so technically if he’s stinking it up after 5 weeks still, not a big deal to drop him. I don’t really like carrying two TE’s.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Howard is no bum, he wasn't targeted and he blocked extremely well helping the Bucs not commit turnovers. That said I get the frustration and it might be a long year but it's how the coaches are using him, it's not like Howard dropped an easy TD grab, that isn't happening.
Picked up Waller as an FA before week 1. Had a bad feeling about Howard’s week 1 and arians usage of TEs. Needed a qb2 badly. Traded OJ and justice hill 2 days ago to the Henry owner as soon as the Henry news broke. Got baker mayfield. Picked up jimmy graham as an FA to back up Waller. Feeling pretty damn good About it after last night!
Its a long season and Howard will have his games. But I think it’s safe to say he is NOT the potentially elite plug n play TE we all hoped he would be this year.
Its a long season and Howard will have his games. But I think it’s safe to say he is NOT the potentially elite plug n play TE we all hoped he would be this year.
That one guy
Footballguy
I was really hoping for a decent week so as to sell him to the H Henry owner in my TE premium league...guess that won’t happen now
Grahamburn
Footballguy
He's had several penalties, fumbled inside the 10, and also dropped a ball last week that resulted in a turnover. I'm not sure what's up with him, but he hasn't looked like the same player.
It wasn't just FBG. Consensus was that he'd be a safe TE1. Apparently, consensus made a huge mistake.
BigBlue_RI
Footballguy
Trey Burton a possible replacement? He’s on my wire.
Winston did throw it to him once. But he ended up pushing off and getting called for pass interference. So his only "target" ended up losing yards.
Brandon Will
Footballguy
I wouldn't panic just yet. The fact they barely threw the ball to him is relevant, but we must remember, especially in Dynasty, top tight ends usually take a few years to develop. Dude is a threat, especially if in the right system. Godwin becoming a stud this year definitely didn't help as far as targets go. HOLD.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Well I am the resident OJH fanboy and have a lot of shares of him in dynasty so obviously not what I was hoping for to start the year.
I'm surprised people are raving over his blocking last night. While he is a good blocker in general and was asked to do it a lot last night, I actually thought he had an off night from a blocking perspective. Several of the sacks/pressures and RBs hit in the backfield were by guys OJH was blocking. Though to be fair he is asked to block defensive linement without help more often than most TEs.
He did run a decent amount of routes, Jameis just wasn't looking his way often. It looked like the TD pass to Godwin was a play designed to hit OJH in the seam but the defense rolled to Howard which left Godwin open and Jameis correctly moved to his second read.
As much as Arians not using TEs, I worry that Godwin's emergence really hurts Howard going forward. Jameis really seems to lock onto him.
I am holding the course because I believe in the talent and everywhere I own him is dynasty, but with Arians, Godwin, and Jameis' love for Brate it may an up and down year. Now we just need to get some of those ups.
I'm surprised people are raving over his blocking last night. While he is a good blocker in general and was asked to do it a lot last night, I actually thought he had an off night from a blocking perspective. Several of the sacks/pressures and RBs hit in the backfield were by guys OJH was blocking. Though to be fair he is asked to block defensive linement without help more often than most TEs.
He did run a decent amount of routes, Jameis just wasn't looking his way often. It looked like the TD pass to Godwin was a play designed to hit OJH in the seam but the defense rolled to Howard which left Godwin open and Jameis correctly moved to his second read.
As much as Arians not using TEs, I worry that Godwin's emergence really hurts Howard going forward. Jameis really seems to lock onto him.
I am holding the course because I believe in the talent and everywhere I own him is dynasty, but with Arians, Godwin, and Jameis' love for Brate it may an up and down year. Now we just need to get some of those ups.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
FWIW that was a really weak OPI call. If that was OPI than Jimmy Graham needs to have just about every reception for his entire career called back.Winston did throw it to him once. But he ended up pushing off and getting called for pass interference. So his only "target" ended up losing yards.
Keep an eye on CJ Uzomah. He split touches with Eifert but Eifert didn't look that good to me and has a history of injuries. If he went out I think CJ could be very solid in what looks like a more explosive offense under the new coach. Don't drop OJ for him just maybe pick him up for depth/speculation if you can.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Nucker101
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
I'd take an injured Henry over him at this point and going forward
rockaction
Footballguy
O.J. not only drew a false start and had an OPI, as others have pointed out, his last game was no barnburner off the sheet either. He knocked a pass up in the air -- right off of his hands -- that went for a drive-killing INT against SF last week.
Not a good first two weeks for fantasy rosterers.
Not a good first two weeks for fantasy rosterers.
