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Ravens fell apart in London, how will they do in Oakland?
Normally i'd agree, but bears situation breaking in rookie qb, probably leads to more of a howard style clock grinding game.I would only do that in standard. If it's PPR it's Cohen six days a week and twice on Sunday.
YMMV but I wouldn't start Collins over Cohen in PPR.Normally i'd agree, but bears situation breaking in rookie qb, probably leads to more of a howard style clock grinding game.
20- 400 and 3 fumblesMe. But because of byes, injuries and the thrill of it all.
No but for real, just imagine if he gets 20 touches. He might run for 400 yards.
Agree. And Fox wouldn't use Cohen even with Howard having shoulder issues that clearly bothered him during the game. AND put Bennie Cunningham in there ahead of Cohen. Not much trust on my end for Cohen moving forward.Normally i'd agree, but bears situation breaking in rookie qb, probably leads to more of a howard style clock grinding game.
i would rather start Collins over Cohen in standard.You'd have to be insane to not start the checkdown RB of a rookie QB in his first game, imo. I'm sure they know they underutilized Cohen last week.
Hurting for depth in one league, I'm starting Collins over McGuire this week
Most of us know. But does Fox know? He may see things differently. And with your rookie QB going in against a top defense, chances are he's going to pound the ball with Howard all day.You'd have to be insane to not start the checkdown RB of a rookie QB in his first game, imo. I'm sure they know they underutilized Cohen last week.
Hurting for depth in one league, I'm starting Collins over McGuire this week
Seeing all that Cunningham last week spooked me to the point where I sold Cohen. Can't trust the ?Most of us know. But does Fox know? He may see things differently. And with your rookie QB going in against a top defense, chances are he's going to pound the ball with Howard all day.
It's difficult. I lost Carson (and Cook) too this past week. Picked up Collins who was sitting there for free this morning, forgot about last night's waiver run. I think for this week, Collins might be the better start. Cohen has a tough match-up and a role that is a bit up in the air plus a coach who doesn't seem to know how to use him. Collins at least seems to be getting the bulk of the work, plus with Oakland losing Carr, this game should be closer, leading to potentially more touches for Collins. Dry reply but you get the gist.Lost DJ in week 1, and Carson last week. in standard league and also have both Cohen & Collins...leaning Cohen personally.
Howard played 35 snaps against the Packers, Cohen played 18 and Cunningham played 16.. I have cohen/howard and i'm still leaning towards collins in flex.Tommy Collins said:Agree. And Fox wouldn't use Cohen even with Howard having shoulder issues that clearly bothered him during the game. AND put Bennie Cunningham in there ahead of Cohen. Not much trust on my end for Cohen moving forward.
That's more understandable. I was talking PPR, as (kinda) evidenced by the importance I put on being the checkdown RB. Sorry, should have been more clear.i would rather start Collins over Cohen in standard.
Well, if your options are Ty, Rawls, or Collins then I would say Collins would be a good bet. The Raiders defense has been pretty good against the run, but Collins has been a spark. It seems like the fumbling thing hasn't sidelined him yet. I imagine if he puts the ball on the ground again this week he's in deep trouble.With Ty Montgomery likely being on a very small pitch count if playing at all, need to make decisions with the RB spot.
Do you think Collins is dependable starting material at this point, and if so, makes for a safer play than a guy like Rawls?
Both backs will split time, both backs have offenses that struggle, but I feel Collins still has a step or two to really cement his role while Rawls does not (will likely get first crack and just has to stay more consistent/effective than Lacy).
Oh snap. The ravens official website shows it that way also.SaintsInDome2006 said:
I'm in the same situation kinda. Have to start 2/3 Lynch, Collins, Gallman.With the news of Perkins being out I am probably now starting Gallman over Collins at RB2 but I can still flex Collins over Funchess. Hmmm. Could be a nerve wracking Sunday
Same..Gallman now in at RB2 for me.With the news of Perkins being out I am probably now starting Gallman over Collins at RB2 but I can still flex Collins over Funchess. Hmmm. Could be a nerve wracking Sunday
I'm starting Collins and have Funchess on my bench.With the news of Perkins being out I am probably now starting Gallman over Collins at RB2 but I can still flex Collins over Funchess. Hmmm. Could be a nerve wracking Sunday
Not really. Most fumbles are caused by guys just having one hand on the ball and valuing an attempt for extra yardage over ball security. Guys like Collins like to show off and flash their elusiveness which is difficult to do with two hands on the ball.I've got to think a huge part of not fumbling is hand size & strength. Part of ball security is keeping it tucked with your foreman against the side of your chest, but the main force applied to the ball is your hand.
I'm not sure what Collins' hand size is, but if I were his RB coach, I'd have him get with the S&C Coach & do a bunch of hand strengthening exercises.
I disagree. I'm assuming you're saying to run with two hands on the ball at all times? That's fine in dense traffic & in certain game-specific situations, but you would lose WAY too much elusiveness & speed if you kept two hands on the ball at all times.Not really. Most fumbles are caused by guys just having one hand on the ball and valuing an attempt for extra yardage over ball security. Guys like Collins like to show off and flash their elusiveness which is difficult to do with two hands on the ball.
In reality, Collins should have the ball against his chest with one hand under and one hand on top of the ball. In that scenario, there's literally no way for the ball to come out except for a freak ball-rip which rarely happens when you have it tucked in that fashion.
Collins will have to choose to forego his flashy elusiveness for ball security if he wants to hang onto the ball and hang onto his job.
Not at all times, no. At specific times. In high-traffic, yes. When being tackled, yes. But guys like Collins tend to forget to do this.I disagree. I'm assuming you're saying to run with two hands on the ball at all times? That's fine in dense traffic & in certain game-specific situations, but you would lose WAY too much elusiveness & speed if you kept two hands on the ball at all times.
I don't have a problem with it in dense traffic, but a RB has to use that technique sparingly because you're essentially limiting yourself to reduced elusiveness at a reduced speed.Not at all times, no. At specific times. In high-traffic, yes. When being tackled, yes. But guys like Collins tend to forget to do this.
A good sign for him, yes. But that depth chart means about as much as the Patriots or Eagles RB depth chart right now. Starting Collins is still considered a dart throw until there is some consistency. But a move in the right direction nonetheless.SaintsInDome2006 said:
Tiki changed...so there's hope.I checked Collins' hand size & it's 9.25". Not big, but not small, either.
His hand size shouldn't be a problem, but I'd definitely take a look at increasing hand strength if I was the Ravens. It couldn't hurt.
With better awareness, technique, & stronger hands, I see no reason why Collins can't fix this problem. It's one of the more fixable issues a player can have, but one that can certainly relegate them to the bench.
Yeah, Tiki had 30-some fumbles in 3 years. LOL.Tiki changed...so there's hope.
yeah. watch mccoy. he dangles the ball out there all the time but the moment he feels someone's within reach he puts it away.Not at all times, no. At specific times. In high-traffic, yes. When being tackled, yes. But guys like Collins tend to forget to do this.
McCoy runs around like he's holding a loaf of bread. It's amazing.yeah. watch mccoy. he dangles the ball out there all the time but the moment he feels someone's within reach he puts it away.
“We’re working on the way he carries the ball, technique-wise,” Harbaugh says. “I do think, in his case, that he can be corrected. I think he is very conscientious of it. I feel the same way about all of our guys; I don’t think we have any ‘fumblers.’ Once you feel a guy is a fumbler, you’re pretty much done with him.”
I've never heard of the cross-gripping technique, but I believe it means instead of having your fingers on a mostly north-south axis, you wrap your fingers around the ball in a more east-west fashion (or across the ball).One thing that I found interesting in regards to fumbling was Dalvin Cook talking about his ball security (which was a knock on him from college) is that he learned how to cross grip the ball with the Vikings which is something he didn't learn how to do with Florida State. I am not sure specifically what cross gripping the football means however. It could mean the technique of using your other hand to hold your wrist that is carrying the ball to lock that into place? Or it may mean having your fingers in the right position while holding the ball at the point of it. I am not entirely sure about that.
From the article Weebs210 linked above
Yeah that was my thought as well.I've never heard of the cross-gripping technique, but I believe it means instead of having your fingers on a mostly north-south axis, you wrap your fingers around the ball in a more east-west fashion (or across the ball).
It kinda makes sense when you think about it.
Yeah. I dropped Allen for Gallman but idk, it didn't feel right. Their line blows.Kinda like the Giants backfield in my eyes.. I'm passing on the lot of it.
If you said you are passing on the Seahawks I would agree. Passing on the Giants and Ravens when there is clearly a back to own is kinda silly.Kinda like the Giants backfield in my eyes.. I'm passing on the lot of it.