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RB Alex Collins, SEA (3 Viewers)
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Xue
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I don't think that's what he did, necessarily - but I also don't really agree with your assessment in the first place. He looked pretty decisive and showed great vision in the games I watched. I thought he attacked defenders as much, if not more often, than he tried to make moves on them.
Hoot McGoot
Footballguy
He's definitely my #2. But that comment caught me off guard. Favorite over Zeke even?
I just meant that he's my favorite RB that I've watched. Ezekiel has so much tape I haven't gotten around to watching much yet. I will check out more tape this week/weekend and check back.
Xue
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus said:
I think we can all agree Shady is more laterally explosive and can try to shake defenders all he wants. Collins just isn't on par with Shady, so I'm simply saying he does it too often for the type of RB he is. When he does try to do it, it seems to cost him a few yards because his stop/start isn't elite.
I think he's a solid RB2 type. But I think his teammate Jonathan Williams is really close in talent.
Zyphros
Footballguy
I, in no way compared him to Shady. But the same thing could be said about Shady.
Collins has a great first step but isn't quite as quick or sudden as Mr. McCoy. I don't like judging a guy too quickly by labeling him as "he does x too much or too little" because we don't know how he'll respond to NFL type of coaching and the pressure of just being a pro in general. Lots of RB's get caught in the backfield by trying to create and I see that as a positive (you seem to see it as a negative) that when he gets pressured he tries to create a play from what is usually already a loss. He has pretty good vision in my book so I'm not too worried about "dancing" or anything in the backfield.
Bogeys
Footballguy
Borden
Footballguy
What is Mayock talking about with 27 TDs over his career?
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/alex-collins-1.html
Says he had 20 last year and 36 over his 3 year career.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Borden
Footballguy
nirad3
Footballguy
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
No earlier than 5th but probably around the sixth. I just don't know what people see.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
kinda thought Collins would be in the 4.40 range and more reps .... Henry/Elliot and a couple of others might have leaped over Collins today
Plus a horrendous vertical, quite possibly the biggest loser of the day, and I say that as someone who has been a big fan for years now.
Zyphros
Footballguy
Glad I took a look at Jonathan Williams, he looks fantastic. Collins probably took one of the biggest hits today and I was not very impressed at all. Thought he'd be much better and now I have to question my RB3 in this draft. Prosise looked pretty good and easily jumps Collins in my mind and he might not be the only one.
massraider
Footballguy
Man, that must have been a tough question, it took you a month to answer.voiceofunreason said:
Interesting timing too. Make sure you bump your post if he goes in the 5th, and declare victory.
massraider
Footballguy
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Draft Breakdown video vs. KState.
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Draft Breakdown video vs. KState.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Kansas plays pretty good defense for the most part.
I count 3 missed tackles by number 21. Two of those missed tackles resulted in TD by Collins, both runs up the middle. Collins does a nice job of picking his way through traffic and finding daylight in the chaos. The spread formation is a lot more effective than when they tried to run out of formations with more blockers.
I count 3 missed tackles by number 21. Two of those missed tackles resulted in TD by Collins, both runs up the middle. Collins does a nice job of picking his way through traffic and finding daylight in the chaos. The spread formation is a lot more effective than when they tried to run out of formations with more blockers.
Longtucky Lemmings
Footballguy
The more I watch his tape the more I get the sense his movement skills, in-game, with pads on are a lot like Lamar Miller
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Alex Collins declined the speed and agility drills and also the bench press. Collins was content - as were NFL personnel, he said - with his times in the 40-yard dash and change-of-direction drills from the combine. He two simple things he wanted to improve Wednesday.
“I feel like I really improved on the things I wanted to improve on,” Collins said. “I wanted to come out here do good, run some good routes, catch the ball and improve my vertical. I did that. Improved my vertical four inches and I didn’t drop the ball so I feel like I impressed with the way I performed.”
http://arkansasnews.com/sports/arkansas-pro-day-success-all-involved
If his vertical improved to 32.5", which is what this suggests, its at least a decent jump. Of the 23 RBs that jumped at the combine, 13 of them were at 34" or less.
“I feel like I really improved on the things I wanted to improve on,” Collins said. “I wanted to come out here do good, run some good routes, catch the ball and improve my vertical. I did that. Improved my vertical four inches and I didn’t drop the ball so I feel like I impressed with the way I performed.”
http://arkansasnews.com/sports/arkansas-pro-day-success-all-involved
If his vertical improved to 32.5", which is what this suggests, its at least a decent jump. Of the 23 RBs that jumped at the combine, 13 of them were at 34" or less.
Faust
MVP
NFL Draft Scout's Frank Cooney wrote that Arkansas RB Alex Collins "is not as big as some runners or as fast as others, but he is as tough and determined as any of them."
"[Collins] is a no-nonsense, north-south runner who reaches top speed faster than some defenders can adjust," Cooney noted. He went on to call him a "decent receiver and adequate blocker," but believes both of those skills need to be honed in order for the 5-foot-10, 217-pounder to reach his ceiling. NFL Media's Lance Zierlein has deemed Collins as a "repetitive runner lacking dynamic talent," but sees him as potential immediate contributor in terms of red zone carries. Regardless of what analysts are saying about his overall athletic prowess, the Arkansas rock has a high enough opinion of his own abilities. Said Collins, "I honestly feel like I'm the best running back in the draft." Duly noted, Mr. Collins, duly noted.
Source: CBS Sports
Apr 9 - 8:31 PM
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I'd love to see the Eagles land him in the 3rd or 4th
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I think Seattle got the better RB with their later pick.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Seattle backfield is a big mess. I see Rawls, CJ and Collins all having a role in the offense.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Based on the games I watched of Alex Collins and CJ Prosise Collins is a better RB. Prosise is likely a better receiver than Collins is, but as far as running the football, not fumbling the football, and blocking Alex Collins is a better player than Prosise is. Prosise is more athletic than Collins is and has more upside if he develops, but its a projection.
Seattle doesn't make a lot of sense to me. They say they draft based off of sparq scores except for when they don't.
When it comes down to who they play, they don't care about sparq, draft position or anything besides who is the best player. Whoever is the best player is who will play. Their draft strategy is not aligned with their strategy about who will start.
If Rawls has issues and Prosise isn't ready yet, I could see Collins taking over this backfield this year.
I don't know anything about Brooks.
Seattle doesn't make a lot of sense to me. They say they draft based off of sparq scores except for when they don't.
When it comes down to who they play, they don't care about sparq, draft position or anything besides who is the best player. Whoever is the best player is who will play. Their draft strategy is not aligned with their strategy about who will start.
If Rawls has issues and Prosise isn't ready yet, I could see Collins taking over this backfield this year.
I don't know anything about Brooks.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
News?
Ran a bit hesitant IMO. Got stuffed in the first quarter on consecutive 3rd/4th down carries needing just a yard. Also dropped a quick hitting pass while split out wide. Guessing he just blew a legit chance to put his name in the conversation for regular season snaps, especially with Prosise returning.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
That blows. Any word from the Seahawks on him now?
Qtip Callahan
Footballguy
I live out here. This next preseason game will be interesting. I think he's gonna make the team, and I believe in his talent, but the Seahawks O-line is suspect and teams know Seattle wants to run the ball. I just see that whole offense as starting slow again and picking up after they lose a few and start opening up their offense.
As for the talking heads, everyone has definitely cooled on him after last game.
As for the talking heads, everyone has definitely cooled on him after last game.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm a fan - so this could turn out to be a good thing if he ends up somewhere where he's not so buried.
leave a whisper
Footballguy
selected him 344 overall a couple weeks ago in hopes he would get cut & sign as a back-up elsewhere ..... IMO he would look good as a Charger
beerbuff
Footballguy
It definitely could be, but it isn't like Seattle had a "murderer's row" of RB's in front of him.
djmich
Footballguy
He has a row in front of him, but Lacy, Rawls and Prosise are hardly murderers. All talented but all with warts as well.
My concern with Carson is that it seems every year Seattle has a standout RB, Pete C loves to talk about RB's that hit the hole hard and I just think it leads to a lot of glowing coach speak. Last year it was Collins, released this year. The year before it was Rawls,a good six game stretch and then fighting for his job. Christine Michael 3yrs ago. Carson...we'll see.
