I fear his contract will limit the team's options, but I would love to see Wentz in either Indy or NE.Eagle, Patriot or Colt next season?
Not to mention the GM doing the right thing and singing praises on Wentz going into the offseason.....going to be a very interesting offseason in Philly.Ack88 said:Don’t slam the suitcase shut just yet. Hurts has started shakily against Washington and make many miscues against Dallas last week. He hasn’t put a stranglehold on this job just yet.
No doubt it will be an interesting offseason, but regarding Wentz, Roseman had no choice but to sing Wentz's praises. Otherwise he would lose whatever limited trade leverage he already has with that contract.Not to mention the GM doing the right thing and singing praises on Wentz going into the offseason.....going to be a very interesting offseason in Philly.
ive read some articles where it outlines how the contract works in a deal.....its definitely not cheap but not outrageous if a team believes he can rebound to his previous form....if Philly wants solid comp along with a team taking on the contract that may be a deal breaker.that contract is untradeable
Will Wentz be traded?
It sure seems to be heading that way. According to ESPN's Chris Mortensen, Wentz's relationship with coach Doug Pederson is fractured beyond repair and the QB plans to ask for a trade.
The Eagles will try to calm the waters in the coming weeks -- general manager Howie Roseman and Pederson started that process Monday by pumping Wentz upand assuring all is well between team and QB -- if for no other reason than to try to build up trade leverage. Parting with Wentz after giving him a four-year, $128 million extension in the summer of 2019 will be a record-setting financial headache. Philly would incur a dead-cap hit of nearly $35 million by trading him as it stands. The largest dead-cap hit in league history was Brandin Cooks’ $21.8 million with the Los Angeles Rams.
That's a mighty hard pill to swallow. But Wentz's trust in the organization was breached after it assured him the Hurts pick in the second round last April was nothing to worry about, only for the situation to devolve into a full-fledged QB controversy (in part as a result of Wentz's poor play). Any plan the Eagles devise to get Wentz back to his old self and into the QB1 chair once more will be viewed skeptically. Parting ways now will give Wentz the fresh start he seeks while providing the Eagles financial relief in the long run.
He should attract some suitors -- a reunion with coach Frank Reich in Indianapolis is possible and the New England Patriots are surely doing their homework -- but a deal needs to fall into place quickly: The Eagles have to execute a trade prior to the third day of the 2021 league year (begins March 17) before his $22 million base salary for 2022 becomes fully guaranteed and his 2021 roster bonus of $10 million is paid out.
The Associated Press reports Carson Wentz is "hopeful (his time with the Eagles) won’t end in a divorce."
The AP reports Wentz nevertheless "needs time away to think about his future" after being benched for the final four games of 2020. Be that as it may, NFL Network's Mike Garafolo reports the sides will begin talking this week. Wentz has an uncuttable contract. It could be traded, but it would be extraordinarily complex. From Wentz's deal to Jalen Hurts' intriguing but imperfect late-season cameo, there are a million moving parts here. It could be months before there is a resolution.
SOURCE: Associated Press
Jan 5, 2021, 2:28 PM ET
I think its like a baseball deal when they have to send a prospect WITH the bad contract, they'd probably have to ship a second rounder with him. And to get out from under this, it would be worth itive read some articles where it outlines how the contract works in a deal.....its definitely not cheap but not outrageous if a team believes he can rebound to his previous form....if Philly wants solid comp along with a team taking on the contract that may be a deal breaker.
I don't think that's how it works. The dead cap hit is their's regardless. It's only worth it to them if they get a decent amount of draft capital back. They can't just send a draft pick and the other team eats the contract.I think its like a baseball deal when they have to send a prospect WITH the bad contract, they'd probably have to ship a second rounder with him. And to get out from under this, it would be worth it
As a recent example of exactly this, the Houston Texans traded Brock Osweiler to the Cleveland Browns and gave up a 2nd round 2018 draft pick, just to get out from under the contract.I don't think that's how it works. The dead cap hit is their's regardless. It's only worth it to them if they get a decent amount of draft capital back. They can't just send a draft pick and the other team eats the contract.
I’m not sure of the specific differences but the Osweiler deal saved Houston $10 million of cap space. The Eagles would have a $34 million dead cap hit if they trade him.As a recent example of exactly this, the Houston Texans traded Brock Osweiler to the Cleveland Browns and gave up a 2nd round 2018 draft pick, just to get out from under the contract.
I think you are suggesting this contract is different. Explain how.
Thanks.I’m not sure of the specific differences but the Osweiler deal saved Houston $10 million of cap space. The Eagles would have a $34 million dead cap hit if they trade him.
I believe the difference has to do with prorated signing bonus.
I saw an article similar to this - good stuff....if correct the team trading for Wentz would be paying around $25M for 2 yrs while Philly would break even in 2021 and save some in 2022.....This is an excellent article outlining a number of scenarios and how each would affect Philadelphia's cap:
Compensation would have to be great to justify leaving a hole in their cap that large. It'd be better to keep Wentz and get him back to form otherwise.I saw an article similar to this - good stuff....if correct the team trading for Wentz would be paying around $25M for 2 yrs while Philly would break even in 2021 and save some in 2022.....
$25M is not ridiculous for a starting QB....Rivers, Teddy and even Brissett is making that...Colts have the $ and the coach connection with Reich...I could see them making a move.
While Philly does eat a bunch of salary next 2 yrs they would be paying Hurts peanuts so it would be close to a wash just no Wentz
So its doable....question is would Philly feel comfortable handing the reigns to Hurts and what comp would they demand.....odds are a deal would need to be made before the mid March bonus so may find out earlier than the draft
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Eagles management has told coaching candidates that QB Carson Wentz "is fixable."
Maybe Wentz is fixable but this report doesn't move the needle much. The Eagles aren't going to attract the best coaches by admitting they have at least $31 million per year for the next four years committed to a broken player. Wentz's massive contract still has nearly $60 million in dead cap before next year so it's hard to see Wentz not being on the roster next year. It makes sense from a financial and talent perspective for Philly to try to fix Wentz. He averaged at least 7.5 yards per attempt in 2017 and 2018 before taking a small step back two years ago. Then things fell off the rails this year as he led the league in interceptions and sacks while playing in just 12 games. If there is a way to unlock the old Wentz, it's worth it for the Eagles to try because of his ceiling and how much money they owe him. His status as the team's starter next year could come down to a camp battle with Jalen Hurts, who played well in his limited action under center to close out the 2020 season.
SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Jan 17, 2021, 11:45 AM ET
Not sure how a Win/Win is possible. If Carson leads Washington to division titles and beyond, then that means the Eagles are not making any deep playoff runs and likely lose.I can't speak to the fine print of Carson Wentz's contract, but I think Philadelphia and Washington should hammer out a deal as if they are both trying to rob one another.
win/win, win/lose, lose/win, or lose/lose? Step right up.
I lean towards win/win.
Well, what if Hurts is equal to Wentz and you get two years of that on a rookie contract. ... and, presumably, somehow you get ou of the meaty Wentz contract (again, I'm not savvy enough to speak to contracts).Not sure how a Win/Win is possible. If Carson leads Washington to division titles and beyond, then that means the Eagles are not making any deep playoff runs and likely lose.
Ya I just meant in terms of winning. Both teams can't win the div, so whoever is missing the playoffs is probably not happy with the trade.Well, what if Hurts is equal to Wentz and you get two years of that on a rookie contract. ... and, presumably, somehow you get ou of the meaty Wentz contract (again, I'm not savvy enough to speak to contracts).
Maybe. Purchasing Wentz's contract might be the most attractive option here.And would WAS even do it after their ill-advised deal for McNabb?
I agree, that's why I lead with "I think Philadelphia and Washington should hammer out a deal as if they are both trying to rob one another."Ya I just meant in terms of winning. Both teams can't win the div, so whoever is missing the playoffs is probably not happy with the trade.
Pip's Invitation said:And would WAS even do it after their ill-advised deal for McNabb?
As a Skins fan, I still have nightmares about that McNabb deal. I didn’t like it from the day it was made. Not because I didn’t have a high opinion of McNabb, but because it was clear Andy was too savvy to deal him to a division rival if he had anything left in the tank. Inter-division deals are probably doomed in general for the reasons discussed here. Neither GM wants to risk seeing the guy they traded two times a year if it blows up in their face.Mister CIA said:Maybe. Purchasing Wentz's contract might be the most attractive option here.
I'll defer to WTF fans.
ESPN's Tim McManus reports the Eagles have "already received aggressive offers" for Carson Wentz.
The Eagles have been fielding trade calls for Wentz, with the Colts showing the most interest. It's not a surprise given Wentz's ties to Frank Reich, but Philly's asking price — they reportedly want "significant compensation" for Wentz — is going to make any deal difficult coming off a season where Wentz played like one of the worst quarterbacks in the league. The Eagles likely want a first-round pick to justify taking the $30 million dead cap hit to trade Wentz. Even with Doug Pederson fired, Wentz has made it clear he wants out of Philly.
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SOURCE: ESPN
Feb 5, 2021, 11:40 AM ET
Philadelphia Inquirer's Jeff McLane reports the Eagles are "getting closer to trading" Carson Wentz.
This confirms reports from NFL Network and ESPN. Teams are making "aggressive offers" to the Eagles currently, and Wentz "wants to move on" from the organization that opted to draft his eventual replacement (Jalen Hurts) instead of adding more help in last year's draft. Philly will be taking on $33.8 million in dead money by trading him, but the relationship may be too fractured to keep him inside the building. The asking price is what's delaying a trade right now. McLane believes GM Howie Roseman is "probably" searching for multiple first-round picks after seeing what Matthew Stafford was traded for. It's unclear how many teams would be willing to give up even one first-round pick after Wentz finished 31st out of 32 quarterbacks in passing EPA per dropback, but the Colts and Bears are potential suitors. Both teams were involved in Stafford talks and currently sit outside of rookie quarterback striking distance.
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SOURCE: Jeff McLane on Twitter
Feb 5, 2021, 7:12 PM ET
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Eagles are expected to trade Carson Wentz in "the coming days."
Interest surrounding the 28-year-old has heated up over the past 48 hours, inevitably resulting in Wentz getting dealt as early as this week; it's now a matter of when and where, rather than if he's sent packing at all. Although GM Howie Roseman has been asking for a first-round pick in return, it appears a number of teams outside of suitors who have already been linked to offers (Bears, Colts) are getting in the mix, as well. Philadelphia will be taking on $33.8 million in dead cap, the largest in NFL history, by shedding Wentz but at least have Jalen Hurts to build around in the coming year. The former is notably due $25.4 million in 2021, and $24.7 million annually over the next four seasons.
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SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Feb 6, 2021, 3:16 PM ET
It looks like they said a Stafford like package, which when you remove the contract for a 2023 1st part is only 1 first.No way any team should give up two 1st rd picks for Wentz. I don’t think he’s worth one.
Discussed extensively in our team thread: https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/791943-official-2021-philadelphia-eagles-thread-the-series-finale-of-as-the-wentz-turns-seems-imminent/Eagles fans, do you think Wentz is a bust or did he just have a down year? Some say he is still a generational talent? Do you agree? Would you prefer to keep him or are you ok with trading him? Thoughts?
He hasn’t been the same since he tore his ACL. Maybe he just isn’t as good as we thought after his near MVP year, but have to think that the majority of his issues are mental. I don’t see it happening, but maybe a new start and some helpful QB mind can get him back on track.bust. who in their right mind is 'aggressively' pursuing Wentz.dude's made of glass and kite string. Eagles need to stop with the 'we want significant compensation' nonsense. if all of this was true he would've been traded long before now.
maybe he's worth a late second rounder, but the kids coming in to the NFL nowadays, they can ball-out. I don't think you need a guy like Wentz when you can find a guy like Justin Herbert.
Wentz has that Kordell Stewart thing about him.good for a couple years, then fading slowly at first, then full speed.
He's toast,no matter where he goes, he'll suck.